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Old 04-09-2016, 5:43 PM
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Default Need help with my 45acp reloads

Hello all,

I have a few problems with my reloads, but am thinking about possible fixes.

First, not all my reloads eject correctly, out of 10, I get 1 FTE which is too much for me to let it slide. Second when I fire a round I get a smell like there is TOO much powder.


Also when I compare the recoil my factory round vs winchester 230 grain, I notice the winchester has WAY more recoil. My reloaded recoil doesnt really hurt my hand the way the winchester does.

What I was thinking is, I sit my bullets a little bit higher, do you think just pushing them in more would fix the FTE.

Also the reccomended max powder is 5.2 Grains, I use 5.1 Grains, Should I just seat it deaper and lower to 4.7 Grains? Wouldnt less Grains effect the recoil to even lower?
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Old 04-09-2016, 5:56 PM
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Well we need more information to even get started.

What powder are you using and what is the oal of your reloaded round?

Are you using 230 fmj for your reloads or some other type of bullet?

Powder type
Bullet weight
OAL

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Old 04-09-2016, 6:14 PM
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The smell of fired powder is not an indication of whether or not you're overloading the rounds. The deciding factor is what your loading manual indicates and signs of excess pressure; that information is in the first section of your manual.

There are several things that can cause cases not to eject - too light powder charge, damaged/bulged cases, damaged/defective extractor, damaged ejector, very dirty brass, etc. How does your gun work with factory ammo?

You need to measure your C.O.L. (Case Overall Length) & compare it to what the maximum C.O.L. is in your loading manual. If you don't have a micrometer, you can set your handload & a factory load with similar bullet type nose down on a table & compare the length, then gradually seat the bullet until the C.O.L. is equal to the factory load.

I wouldn't be using that close to max loads unless you've already gradually worked up to them. You should start at 10% below max & test a few rounds & check for excess pressure signs, then gradually increase the powder charge (if you want max loads). With a semi auto pistol, I start at the middle. The maximum indicated load is the load that was safe in their test gun - not yours. There are differences in two guns that make a difference in what a safe max load is - even with the same model. And, there are differences in bullet seating depth that also have an effect on pressure.
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Old 04-09-2016, 6:40 PM
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Low recoil and FTE says underpowered to me. When I started, I went with a slightly longer OAL thinking it gave me some buffer. It does but with FTEs, it's time to adjust.
I would shorten your OAL to 1.25 (pretty standard) and work your load back up. Following reloading manuals has always worked for me so as others have said, go there too.
Good luck
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Old 04-09-2016, 6:42 PM
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We know that seating the bullet more increases pressure. If you use maximum powder and then seat lower than COL you'll over pressurize. It can also be a too tight of a crimp. Are you using Magnum primers? Maybe limp wristing due to the higher pressure? So many variables.

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Well we need more information to even get started.

What powder are you using and what is the oal of your reloaded round?

Are you using 230 fmj for your reloads or some other type of bullet?

Powder type
Bullet weight
OAL

GO!

irh
The omission of that info is worrisome.

No offense OP but exactly how much reloading experience do you have?
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Old 04-09-2016, 8:08 PM
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Here is my recipe for a 230gr FMJ for comparison. Your rounds might be undercharged a bit, but yet hard to tell with little information about your load.

Powder: HP-38
OAL: 1.26
Primer: CCI LPP/SPP(depends on brass having a LPP/SPP)
Charge Range: {5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5}

5.5grns is my favorite charge followed by 5.3grns. 5.5grns It gives me nice 1in holes time after time.

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Old 04-09-2016, 8:40 PM
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I've been reloading my 45 ACP to 1.260 OAL going by Winchester white box's OALs. Most reloading manuals I've seen say to load to 1.200 - 1.210 which was somewhat confusing to me when I first did it.
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Old 04-09-2016, 9:49 PM
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Here is my recipe for a 230gr FMJ for comparison. Your rounds might be undercharged a bit, but yet hard to tell with little information about your load.

Powder: HP-38
OAL: 1.26
Primer: CCI LPP/SPP(depends on brass having a LPP/SPP)
Charge Range: {5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5}

5.5grns is my favorite charge followed by 5.3grns. 5.5grns It gives me nice 1in holes time after time.

Max load for hp-38 and 230 fmj is 5.3... the range is
min 4.3 gr 699 fps 12,200 CUP

max 5.3 gr 834 fps 16,900 CUP
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Old 04-09-2016, 10:00 PM
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Max load for hp-38 and 230 fmj is 5.3... the range is
min 4.3 gr 699 fps 12,200 CUP

max 5.3 gr 834 fps 16,900 CUP
Hodgdon data is a bit conservative compared to other manuals. Also, their test COL is quite short at 1.200" while i'm loading at 1.260".
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Max load for hp-38 and 230 fmj is 5.3... the range is
min 4.3 gr 699 fps 12,200 CUP

max 5.3 gr 834 fps 16,900 CUP
Why haven;t these people put this stuff in PSI yet? Don't they know what superpower they are dealing with here?
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I'm using a dirty powder so its not quite as clean burning but my recipe is

Powder: Unique
Primer: SP/LP
OCL: 1.26+/-0.002
Charge: 6.1 grains
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OP - You mentioned your hand being hurt?

I don't think it is safe for you to be shooting.
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Old 04-21-2016, 8:48 AM
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All this talk about the ammo. But, any consideration to the gun? OP, how does factory ammo shoot in your gun? Does the FTE only happen with your reloads? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Old 04-21-2016, 9:09 AM
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Max load for hp-38 and 230 fmj is 5.3... the range is
min 4.3 gr 699 fps 12,200 CUP

max 5.3 gr 834 fps 16,900 CUP
Depends on which manual you read....

Speer manual says:

45acp TMJ RN
COL 1.26"
HP38/WIN231 5.6 - 6.2gr

I also use 5.5gr of HP38 with COL of 1.26. Recoil feels like factory loads with much improved accuracy.
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Old 04-21-2016, 10:55 AM
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What gun ?
My brother has a 1980's star that is only good for shot shells / snake rounds - probably around 2 to 3000 rounds thru it before it became a snake gun .
Barrel length ?
Your powder may be die-ing - My hp 38 did not really smell enough for others at range to comment on .
Sometimes when the hand guns were cleaned with otter's they smelled different . [ I bought a bunch when Wall-mart dumped the shooting section ] I am back to using hoppes now .
How often do you clean the 45 ? For me cleaning after even one magazine - [ yes that has happened - power goes out , fires to close - they chase everyone out . ]
The eject can get stiff if not lubed - a few rounds and clearances get smaller . A case that hits floor wrong way and then straightened can cause ejection problems - save them a side and check both base and who made it .
Please post what you find
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