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Old 06-19-2016, 12:31 AM
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Default Favorite load combo for 55gr bullet for 223...

Well, I finished loading my first 100 rifle rounds last night. I shot these today out of my 223 NEF / H&R Handi-Rifle. It has a 22 inch barrel with a 1 in 12 twist. I shot a M193 55gr bullet from Privi Partizan. Bullet weights were very consistent. My OAL seating depth was 2.200" with a +0.005" tolerance. I hand trimmed all brass to 1.740", uniformed all my primer flash holes, and deburred them to. I used CCI #400 small rifle primers. All brass was resized with a full length resizing die. I will try neck sizing only on this brass I just shot for the next go around.

All these rounds were hand tricked to final weight.

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I loaded 50rounds with H4895 reduced loads at 16gr. Shot like a 22wmr. Not very accurate. These had velocity of about 2200 fps.

OAL 2.200"

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I loaded another 25 rounds with BL-C2 powder at 26gr. These were very accurate in my rifle. My son agreed, these are accurate at 200 yards with 1/2" moa.

OAL 2.200"

Will be looking for a OCW near this. I think I can get better.

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I loaded 10 rounds with 27gr of BL-C2 powder. These were fast, but not accurate with more then occasional fliers. Velocity was about 3200 fps.

OAL 2.200"

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Last load of 15 rounds was 3gr of Clays powder. These shot just like 22lr. They were fun and accurate at 200 yards. Not much steel ringing power at 1060 fps.

OAL 2.200"

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These are only upside down so I could mark the back of the case with a color Dykem pen for later ID of my brass. I did flip them back over once they were dry.

What recipe does everyone else use to reload for a 55gr bullet in a 223?

I just ordered up 1k of M193 bullets from American Reloading. Price is 6.7 cents each. Small rifle primer is 3 cents each, and 26gr of BL-C2 powder is 10 cents per charge weight. So for about 20 cents per round complete I can have some 223 loaded up myself. I don't think that is too bad.

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Old 06-19-2016, 3:02 PM
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Any loads you get may not be safe in your gun despite being safe in mine, that being said I like 24.5 grains ramshot tac as a blasting/plinking round out to about 425 beyond that it is too slow and falls off the face of the earth but at 100 yards it is sub moa as long as I do my part. Primer type doesn't seem to matter

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Old 06-19-2016, 3:10 PM
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I started to have flattened primers at 26g (red) loads of BL-C2.

27gr (black) loads are flattened too. The plain one is 3gr of Clays.








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Old 06-19-2016, 3:46 PM
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Those primers aren't close to being flat.
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Old 06-19-2016, 4:35 PM
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Primers look OK.
I have used 27grs of Win 748 with a mag(Usually) or a few times regular primer in a mil surplus case. I use 28grs in a commercial case.
This has been my go-to and mostly only load I have used since 1970 and has been very accurate in a number of rifles and my Encore pistol. I have killed more squirrels than I can count with it over the years. For squirrels I like the 55gr SX Hornady bullet. Due to the no lead thing I have excellent Barnes 36 and 50 gr VG bullet loads. I shot out the heavy Varmint barrel on my 1970 Rem 700BDL and when I replaced it I got a SS barrel with 1-10" twist. It works well for the Barnes 50gr VG but my son-in-laws Howa will not stabilize them. The 36gr ones work well for him.
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I am happy enough with 24-25.5grs of H335 @2.255 that I've never tried anything else. I use a lot of CCI 400s and those worked fine. Trying S&B SR now, not enough use to really be able to say what I think yet.
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Those primers aren't close to being flat.
Have any links to some good pics ?

I have been tryin to see exactly what to look for, but most pics are ill lit, blurry etc.

Compared to the bottom primer in that pic I would say flat on the upper ones...... but I have O experiance...would be nice to see exactly what to look for.
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Old 06-19-2016, 6:19 PM
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24gr of h335 at 2.25 oal is one of my goto loads.
I'd have to check the log book but I also like win 748 at 25gr same oal
I like h335 and 748 because they meter nicely
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I am happy enough with 24-25.5grs of H335 @2.255 that I've never tried anything else. I use a lot of CCI 400s and those worked fine. Trying S&B SR now, not enough use to really be able to say what I think yet.
For 55gr bulk ammo, 25gr H335 is so good. I also load 25gr Benchmark, which seems too shoot just as well.

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24gr of h335 at 2.25 oal is one of my goto loads.
I'd have to check the log book but I also like win 748 at 25gr same oal
I like h335 and 748 because they meter nicely
My go-to load with 77gr "bulk" ammo is 24gr W748.
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Have any links to some good pics ?

I have been tryin to see exactly what to look for, but most pics are ill lit, blurry etc.

Compared to the bottom primer in that pic I would say flat on the upper ones...... but I have O experiance...would be nice to see exactly what to look for.
Unfortunately I don't have any pics of my primers,but a ggoggle search for "cratered primers" did yield some pics.For me I like to see the primers flattened all the way to edge of the primer pocket,just hanging on the edge of having the primer crater.At this point I'm 1/2 grain under this happening.I run a hot load for maximum velocity,not something to do unless you understand what your trying to accomplish.
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What works for my rifle is 24.5 of h335,winchester primer,and a 55 grain bullet.This load has been accurate in my ar for plinking.

Now when i want a pinpoint accuracy i use the 69smk bullet rem7.5 primer and 23.5 of h335.
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55gr FMJ, 25gr H335, and CCI #41 primers.
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55 Gr. FMJ, CCI or Winchester primers, 25 Gr BL-C2 is my go to load for paper and steel.
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I've loaded up to 28g BLC2 under 55g FMJBT without any flatter primers than you get with normal XM193 ammo or equivalent. That got me a few FPS shy of 3000 out of a 16" barrel. I load 25g for 62g and 26 for 55g bullets.
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I use 23.8gr of Ramshot X-terminator & Hornady 55gr fmjbt. I also use the same load with the Midway 55gr Dogtown hollow points, they're just a little more accurate.
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Favorite load is 24.6 grains of Ramshot TAC with the Hornady FMJ-BT 55 grain bullet.

Second favorite is 23.1 grains of Ramshot Xterminator (I like that name better)

Both will get you easily 2700 to 3000 fps depending on your barrel length.
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I use 25 gr of H335, they shoot very well in my AR-15. I bought a box of 55 gr FMJ bullets from Xtreme on the last group buy which I use for plinking ammo. 25 gr. works well. Used mostly LC brass, but in the process of switching to Black Hills.
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How long do people reload with non ball powders thru their ARs before they see the malfunctioning forest thru the trees?
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How long do people reload with non ball powders thru their ARs before they see the malfunctioning forest thru the trees?
I have two uppers that have never seen ball and they've never failed to run. I have one that has seen a ball powder not intended for the AR or the 223 and it runs fine too.
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Correct me if I'm wrong....but didn't Eugene Stoner specifically state to use a ball powder with the AR as we know it?

I go out further on this tread-jack:
Didn't the AR initially pass the Stateside trials , and then jam & malfunction like a bad dog in Viet Nam because the 55.6 ammunition was loaded with a stick powder?

Now I know lots of shooters use a stick or flake powder during competition where you have re-shoots and plastic trophies, and some remarkable scores. But how long would this diet of stick powder competition loads go before the stock AR lays down?
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Correct me if I'm wrong....but didn't Eugene Stoner specifically state to use a ball powder with the AR as we know it?

I go out further on this tread-jack:
Didn't the AR initially pass the Stateside trials , and then jam & malfunction like a bad dog in Viet Nam because the 55.6 ammunition was loaded with a stick powder?

Now I know lots of shooters use a stick or flake powder during competition where you have re-shoots and plastic trophies, and some remarkable scores. But how long would this diet of stick powder competition loads go before the stock AR lays down?
Stick powder is all I use!Varget mostly,but I have used IMR4895,4320 and I still have some RE15 to try.Stick powder isn't temp sensitive like ball,and I could care less how well ball meters.
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Correct me if I'm wrong....but didn't Eugene Stoner specifically state to use a ball powder with the AR as we know it?

I go out further on this tread-jack:
Didn't the AR initially pass the Stateside trials , and then jam & malfunction like a bad dog in Viet Nam because the 55.6 ammunition was loaded with a stick powder?

Now I know lots of shooters use a stick or flake powder during competition where you have re-shoots and plastic trophies, and some remarkable scores. But how long would this diet of stick powder competition loads go before the stock AR lays down?
Correlation not causation.

There is no functional difference between ball/stick powders in how they run, the problem was they used a dirty powder with the wrong burnrate. Also we don't have alibis anymore and I've never needed one when we did. I would argue that with the number of rounds fired by XTC shooters who use stick exclusively we'd know if there was a problem. There isn't.
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Correct me if I'm wrong....but didn't Eugene Stoner specifically state to use a ball powder with the AR as we know it?

I go out further on this tread-jack:
Didn't the AR initially pass the Stateside trials , and then jam & malfunction like a bad dog in Viet Nam because the 55.6 ammunition was loaded with a stick powder?
NEGATIVE, just the opposite. Stoner developed / tested the AR-15 with IMR (single base stick) powder.

The Military contracted ammunition used overseas with WC846 ball powder, caused problems due to it's content of CaC03 along with poor distribution of cleaning supplies, humid environment led to issues with the rifle and there were some design changes.

WC846 was changed to have less CaC03 and was re numbered to WC844, which worked better.

Some info here: http://www.thegunzone.com/556prop.html
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