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Old 01-11-2017, 10:41 PM
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I am a little upset the way it happened and the way me and my family were treated.
My wife was woken up to blood curdling screaming "help me, help!" I ran and pulled my gun and ran out to make sure someone wasnt being raped or killed. Turns out it was a young girl maybe 17 screaming at the to of her lungs at nobody. My wife called the local pd as I backed away as she cursed me out. Local pd showed up along with few unmarked under cover police, the girl took off running and was caught. The police came and asked us what happened I informed the pd that I am ccw he snatched my hand immediately raised it above my head pulled my firearm, I then was instructed to put my hands on my head and turn around. My father in law asked the officer is this necessary he was then instructed to take his hands out of his pockets and turn around with his hands on his head, we both then frisked. I gave my id and ccw license after frisked an 3 different officers asked why I have a ccw and what I do, due to a look from my wife I refrain from saying " ocsd says I can and it is my 2a right, so I give them my good cause." I spend around 15min as they ask more questions about having a ccw and even with my cc listed on my card one officer called in the serial number to verify, as he waits for confirmation he asks where I live and escorts me to my front door gets the confirmation hands me my gun then the mag tells me my chambered round was put in the mag and says "have a good night".
The initial officer says "thanks for telling me, had I found it, this would have gone a lot different." I replied "by law I'm required to tell you." Now had I not been there with my inlaws that are not as pro 2a and comfortable with fire arms that I am, I would be a little disappointed the way it went but it was understandable, it was a heightened situation, but my family to be treated that way really affected me negatively.
I didn't like the way I was treated and made to feel nor my family, my wife was terrified seeing me treated that way. Does being cleared by the ocsd not mean anything? Should I have to be interrogated by other police to give my "good cause"? Or was it warranted due to the situation? When in fact we were the ones that called for either a psychotic or under the influence minor was breaking front door screaming for help but as the police showed up she fled bare foot in the rain.
I won't be discouraged or intimidated to not carry and defend my family or possible victims. Am I wrong go feeling this way?


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Please forgive me for my grammar mistakes I am fairly educated,however very current on gun laws. Thanks frankm I appreciate the feed back. Does a ccw not show what side we are on?


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It all depends on how the call went out. What exactly did your wife say to 911 that had the officers on edge. It sounds like they were expecting the worst. Does she speak fluent english, and was she speaking calmly?

I'd say lose the chip on your shoulder. We are not almighty for having CCW. CCW is easy to get in some counties, and CCW holders have been criminals. A Sac County CCW holder was convicted of murder, and not because it was defensive - he straight up murdered someone.

When the cops roll up to a fluid situation, the best thing to do is HANG BACK.

Were you in your house when LE made contact with you, or on your front porch - or were you on the sidewalk near the street or in the street? And the first words out of your mouth should not be 'I am CCW'. Establish some minimum rapport before you start talking about a gun. You might have a duty to inform, but you need to be very careful in the way you inform. It does not have to be within the first 5 seconds of talking to a LE.
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She told them there was a girl screaming for help and that she was yelling at someone that wasn't there. I failed to mention as she cursed at me that I was called a different name and that she hoped I loved the video?


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Also I asked if she was ok? And as I was cursed out I backed away due to the fact that I was carrying I avoided all physical contact and left interaction to the professionals. Had she been assaulted or worse I may have interacted differently


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Old 01-11-2017, 11:15 PM
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It's not for you to police your neighborhood. If the people under your mantle of protection were not in danger then stay inside and call the police. Having a ccw does not make you a crime fighter. I think the cops acted fine and you may have to report this to your IA.
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Dang OP. I feel for you. They should have thanked you for stepping up to help out a fellow citizen.
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With the class required you are instructed to not say "gun" cause it does heighten the mood of the officer. My wife was calm and very descriptive and yes she speaks English. As the officer approached me I was clear and calm with the information because I was not doing anything wrong. And with all instructions I complied because I am a law abiding citizen.


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Old 01-11-2017, 11:27 PM
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I'm not a vigilante and do not police my neighborhood but if someone asks for help if it is within my power to save a life. What if it was your mom or sister or daughter asking for help? Would you not want someone to step in? Giving the situation I felt it was beyond me I backed away and let the pd do their job. I couldn't do anything to better the situation so I backed away and did not insert myself where I am nor needed. But I did follow local law as required.


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Old 01-11-2017, 11:34 PM
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My mom and sister can handle themselves. If i hear screaming from outside and everyone i care about is inside I'm not going to lead that problem back to the people i love.
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Call the police and stay inside your home and let them do the work. What city did this happen in?
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To be clear I didn't step in, I made sure nobody was in danger then politely excused myself not engaging in a verbal altercation and stood back as she went door to door asking for help breaking several windows on front doors. If I wanted to be a crime fighter I would apply, I simply want to protect my family, but if I hear a young girl in distress and it is within my means,which it wasn't, I will do all within my power to do so. I understand not all all feel that "some will give some, and some will give all"


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I am a little upset the way it happened and the way me and my family were treated.
My wife was woken up to blood curdling screaming "help me, help!" I ran and pulled my gun and ran out to make sure someone wasnt being raped or killed. Turns out it was a young girl maybe 17 screaming at the to of her lungs at nobody. My wife called the local pd as I backed away as she cursed me out. Local pd showed up along with few unmarked under cover police, the girl took off running and was caught. The police came and asked us what happened I informed the pd that I am ccw he snatched my hand immediately raised it above my head pulled my firearm, I then was instructed to put my hands on my head and turn around. My father in law asked the officer is this necessary he was then instructed to take his hands out of his pockets and turn around with his hands on his head, we both then frisked. I gave my id and ccw license after frisked an 3 different officers asked why I have a ccw and what I do, due to a look from my wife I refrain from saying " ocsd says I can and it is my 2a right, so I give them my good cause." I spend around 15min as they ask more questions about having a ccw and even with my cc listed on my card one officer called in the serial number to verify, as he waits for confirmation he asks where I live and escorts me to my front door gets the confirmation hands me my gun then the mag tells me my chambered round was put in the mag and says "have a good night".
The initial officer says "thanks for telling me, had I found it, this would have gone a lot different." I replied "by law I'm required to tell you." Now had I not been there with my inlaws that are not as pro 2a and comfortable with fire arms that I am, I would be a little disappointed the way it went but it was understandable, it was a heightened situation, but my family to be treated that way really affected me negatively.
I didn't like the way I was treated and made to feel nor my family, my wife was terrified seeing me treated that way. Does being cleared by the ocsd not mean anything? Should I have to be interrogated by other police to give my "good cause"? Or was it warranted due to the situation? When in fact we were the ones that called for either a psychotic or under the influence minor was breaking front door screaming for help but as the police showed up she fled bare foot in the rain.
I won't be discouraged or intimidated to not carry and defend my family or possible victims. Am I wrong go feeling this way?


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Should have stayed inside and minded your business. Youre lucky some crazy murder wasn't taking place out front.. cause if youd have tried to be a hero and shot someone youd be in a world of BS whether it was a good shoot or not....

Would have lost your gun, had cops all in your home.. taken to the station..family questioned all night.. ect..
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Maybe they can defend themselves but put in the situation, do you stand back and hide as a neighbor is assaulted or murdered? I hope you don't live in my neighborhood cause several times we have relied on neighbors when we went out of town or just simply out of town.


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Maybe? I could have possibly lost my life but are young men not losing their lives for our freedom? Or for what they think is right?


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Once you realize it's a crazy female...you have no need to go commando and save the day...

I'd you see some drugged man kicking in your neighbors door that's one thing..but some girl screaming running around? Only trouble will come from trying to stop that.
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I have spoken to some leo''s who don't like the idea of ccw too much. From their perspective they said it makes their job harder when they answer calls and guns are drawn they don't know who's good, bad, and ugly. They also said a lot of ccw''s don't practice protocol correctly and there have been ccw encounters that have almost gone south. Still not a reason for ggpo to be such a jerk about it.
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Difference is they joined to do so.. getting a ccw isn't really serving your country. You're a citizen not a soldier or leo out to fight crime.
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Like I said when I realized it may be a 5150 or drugged out adolescent I backed away and stood near my family no gun drawn for fear brandishing a firearm I stood back and reported what I felt important to the situation. Also I hope you find a good hiding place, some will do all possible to save the lives of fellow man.


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Old 01-12-2017, 12:10 AM
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Just wondering what your reasonable cause statement on your ccw application was. Mine was to protect my family and myself. Yours must have been a lot more in-depth. I know I'm busting your balls a bit but what you did was reckless. Next time if you need to investigate grab a bat.
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I didn't pull out my zip ties and try to act as Leo or military and again not a vigilante and know my role as an ordinary citizen, however carrying or not I won't stand by as someone is being victimized and I hope some feel the same way if it were my family being attacked


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Seeing the situation no gun needed and no gun used no gun pulled out, don't need a defense for my ccw.


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And I didn't come out gun drawn like I'm the police or swat or whatever might be thought, heard situation saw what real situation was and removed myself because of the situation and left it at that. When approached by police I simply followed the law to make it known and not to make the professionals feel threatened.


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No one was being attacked. Could have figured that out from a window. Cops have training on how to deal with this stuff, yet your complaining about how they treated you? " ya don't worry officers if stuff got out of hand i have a gun and coulda fixed it all" also you said your neighborhood takes care of each other, but she was breaking down windows? I'm done commenting on this thread. Take another ccw class and learn how you should act, be a good witness, don't put yourself or family in danger needlessly.
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..... and I drew my gun and ran out where I was ambushed and killed.



I appreciate your good intent, OP. Heck, I hope I could be so lucky to have a decent guy like yourself as a neighbor. However, this is a different world we live in now and an inconsiderate cop was among the best of possible outcomes to this story. I say don't fret it. Send the police chief a thank you note for their timely response.
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Couldn't be seen through a window, the scream was heard across the street and more than 6 houses down and didn't need to fix anything so I left and didn't insert myself where not needed. Simply informed as needed and dealt with the way the way pd handled it, not resisting or giving cause for excessive force. Never want to have to draw my gun and have to defend myself in court but givin the situation I will defend my family and those I love.


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Running outside armed is typically a bad idea.

What would you have done if you ran outside and say a guy attacking the girl? Drawn on him?

What if the guy you saw attacking the girl was actually a cop and the girl had just stabbed your neighbor and you're pointing your weapon at a cop.
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Running outside armed is typically a bad idea.

What would you have done if you ran outside and say a guy attacking the girl? Drawn on him?

What if the guy you saw attacking the girl was actually a cop and the girl had just stabbed your neighbor and you're pointing your weapon at a cop.
And don't forget zombies...

Just shelter in place 24/7 to be on the safe side.
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seems like a little much, but judging by all the crazy things going on I guess they are just being overly cautious. doesn't excuse you being treated like a criminal though
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Whacks in some places are doing things like this to draw out potential victims. Bad guy waits in the bushes while girl screams. When unsuspecting Samaritan steps in to help, he gets rolled for his wallet, or worse.

You obviously got close enough for her to scream at you. IMO, that's too close. Unless you're thrust directly into the middle of a situation without a viable exit strategy, assess the situation from a distance and call the cops.

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Sad, really sad, In California you are not allowed to save someone's life with firearm out of home, just your own person.
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OP. To begin with you had no business running out into the street with a loaded weapon under the circumstances you gave. You should have looked out the window from the safety of your home instead. Calling the police was a good thing and that is all you should have done. If an LEO knocks on your door you can be a good witness. What you did was insert yourself into a situation where neither you or any member of your family were in danger or being threatened. Why in the world would you have done that???? You are not an LEO and if things had gone South and you were forced to use your weapon to defend yourself than you would have had a difficult time explaining why you inserted yourself into a situtaion where you had no business being in the first place!!!!!

As a CCW holder you need to do everything reasonably possible to avoid a confrontation for any reason whatsoever. The one exception being that if you or a member of your family are attacked. You had no business doing what you did as that is what the police are for. As far as how you were treated by the police. They have no idea what they are rolling up on. Simply informing them that you are a CCW holder does nothing as they don't know that. Until they run your permit to make sure its valid then they are on high alert. This is especially true when someone they don't know indicates that they have a loaded gun on them. They acted with extreme caution as they should have until they investigated and clarified what was going on. This is exactly why so many agencies don't want to issue.

I'm sorry OP but what you did was foolish. Again, unless you or someone you are with is being attacked then you need to do everything possible to avoid a situation like you CHOSE to insert yourself into and fyi, I am also a CCW holder. I carry daily and I am very aware of not EVER knowingly placing myself into a situation where I could possibly need to use my weapon to defend myself or someone I am with. You were wrong to do what you did, Call the police and be a good witness. I am glad you and your family are ok. Blame yourself for how you were treated by the LEOs as you placed yourself in a compromising position where you had no place being. You used very poor judgement and when you indicated that the LEO stated that the interaction could have gone South he was correct. If he had seen your weapon in your hand or pocket you may very well could have been shot as the LEO has no clue who you are or what your intentions were!

Sorry for being harsh but it would only take one interaction where an LEO shoots a CCW holder who CHOSE to insert themselves into something that was none of their business for an IA to simply decide that they will stop issuing permits. Can you imagine a front page news story on the LA Times like that??? The liberals would have a field day!!!!!

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OP. To begin with you had no business running out into the street with a loaded weapon under the circumstances you gave. You should have looked out the window from the safety of your home instead. Calling the police was a good thing and that is all you should have done. If an LEO knocks on your door you can be a good witness. What you did was insert yourself into a situation where neither you or any member of your family were in danger or being threatened. Why in the world would you have done that???? You are not an LEO and if things had gone South and you were forced to use your weapon to defend yourself than you would have had a difficult time explaining why you inserted yourself into a situtaion where you had no business being in the first place!!!!!

As a CCW holder you need to do everything reasonably possible to avoid a confrontation for any reason whatsoever. The one exception being that if you or a member of your family are attacked. You had no business doing what you did as that is what the police are for. As far as how you were treated by the police. They have no idea what they are rolling up on. Simply informing them that you are a CCW holder does nothing as they don't know that. Until they run your permit to make sure its valid then they are on high alert. This is especially true when someone they don't know indicates that they have a loaded gun on them. They acted with extreme caution as they should have until they investigated and clarified what was going on. This is exactly why so many agencies don't want to issue.

I'm sorry OP but what you did was foolish. Again, unless you or someone you are with is being attacked then you need to do everything possible to avoid a situation like you CHOSE to insert yourself into and fyi, I am also a CCW holder. I carry daily and I am very aware of not EVER knowingly placing myself into a situation where I could possibly need to use my weapon to defend myself or someone I am with. You were wrong to do what you did, Call the police and be a good witness. I am glad you and your family are ok. Blame yourself for how you were treated by the LEOs as you placed yourself in a compromising position where you had no place being. You used very poor judgement and when you indicated that the LEO stated that the interaction could have gone South he was correct. If he had seen your weapon in your hand or pocket you may very well could have been shot as the LEO has no clue who you are or what your intentions were!

Sorry for being harsh but it would only take one interaction where an LEO shoots a CCW holder who CHOSE to insert them selves into something that was none of their business for an IA to simply decide that they will stop issuing permits. Can you imagine a front page news story on the LA Times like that??? The liberals would have a field day!!!!!

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I agree, If I had been involved in this incident I would have put my firearm away before the police arrived and never said anything about I had a firearm.
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Sounds like she was a victim of a rape that night.
Hopefully she got help.
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I am a little upset the way it happened and the way me and my family were treated.
My wife was woken up to blood curdling screaming "help me, help!" I ran and pulled my gun and ran out to make sure someone wasn't being raped or killed. Turns out it was a young girl maybe 17 screaming at the to of her lungs at nobody. My wife called the local pd as I backed away as she cursed me out. Local pd showed up along with few unmarked under cover police, the girl took off running and was caught. The police came and asked us what happened I informed the pd that I am ccw he snatched my hand immediately raised it above my head pulled my firearm, I then was instructed to put my hands on my head and turn around. My father in law asked the officer is this necessary he was then instructed to take his hands out of his pockets and turn around with his hands on his head, we both then frisked. I gave my id and ccw license after frisked an 3 different officers asked why I have a ccw and what I do, due to a look from my wife I refrain from saying " ocsd says I can and it is my 2a right, so I give them my good cause." I spend around 15min as they ask more questions about having a ccw and even with my cc listed on my card one officer called in the serial number to verify, as he waits for confirmation he asks where I live and escorts me to my front door gets the confirmation hands me my gun then the mag tells me my chambered round was put in the mag and says "have a good night".
The initial officer says "thanks for telling me, had I found it, this would have gone a lot different." I replied "by law I'm required to tell you." Now had I not been there with my inlaws that are not as pro 2a and comfortable with fire arms that I am, I would be a little disappointed the way it went but it was understandable, it was a heightened situation, but my family to be treated that way really affected me negatively.
I didn't like the way I was treated and made to feel nor my family, my wife was terrified seeing me treated that way. Does being cleared by the ocsd not mean anything? Should I have to be interrogated by other police to give my "good cause"? Or was it warranted due to the situation? When in fact we were the ones that called for either a psychotic or under the influence minor was breaking front door screaming for help but as the police showed up she fled bare foot in the rain.
I won't be discouraged or intimidated to not carry and defend my family or possible victims. Am I wrong go feeling this way?


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Ok, you're intentions were good, you wanted to help a young girl screaming, possibly being raped. My main critic is you "pulling your gun", I could be reading it wrong but it sounds like you had your gun out. Do you have a flashlight? If so use it and have that out instead of the gun, confirm before pulling out the weapon. You're wife called the cops and you retreated when you knew you couldn't do anything and decided to leave it to the authorities.


As for the PD understand they there are police shootings happening at an alarming rate. Were they excessive? I cant answer that because I wasn't there. When I was pulled over, I was frisked because I told them I have a CCW as well. It was funny because I had a med kit and my knives with me and he was asking why I was carrying all this stuff. I made a smart *** comment and we both laughed. When he found out I was military and a licensed CCW holder, things calmed down, he was a Marine. He was one cop so I can't speak for the other cop. You're cop was probably new to the force or something else IDK.

Over all I'm glad things turned out well, unlike the guy in Minnesota that had a CCW and was shot as he was reaching for his wallet. I say count your blessings and learn from it. I know I did from my first time with LE.
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OP. To begin with you had no business running out into the street with a loaded weapon under the circumstances you gave. You should have looked out the window from the safety of your home instead. Calling the police was a good thing and that is all you should have done. If an LEO knocks on your door you can be a good witness. What you did was insert yourself into a situation where neither you or any member of your family were in danger or being threatened. Why in the world would you have done that???? You are not an LEO and if things had gone South and you were forced to use your weapon to defend yourself than you would have had a difficult time explaining why you inserted yourself into a situation where you had no business being in the first place!!!!!

As a CCW holder you need to do everything reasonably possible to avoid a confrontation for any reason whatsoever. The one exception being that if you or a member of your family are attacked. You had no business doing what you did as that is what the police are for. As far as how you were treated by the police. They have no idea what they are rolling up on. Simply informing them that you are a CCW holder does nothing as they don't know that. Until they run your permit to make sure its valid then they are on high alert. This is especially true when someone they don't know indicates that they have a loaded gun on them. They acted with extreme caution as they should have until they investigated and clarified what was going on. This is exactly why so many agencies don't want to issue.

I'm sorry OP but what you did was foolish. Again, unless you or someone you are with is being attacked then you need to do everything possible to avoid a situation like you CHOSE to insert yourself into and fyi, I am also a CCW holder. I carry daily and I am very aware of not EVER knowingly placing myself into a situation where I could possibly need to use my weapon to defend myself or someone I am with. You were wrong to do what you did, Call the police and be a good witness. I am glad you and your family are ok. Blame yourself for how you were treated by the LEOs as you placed yourself in a compromising position where you had no place being. You used very poor judgement and when you indicated that the LEO stated that the interaction could have gone South he was correct. If he had seen your weapon in your hand or pocket you may very well could have been shot as the LEO has no clue who you are or what your intentions were!

Sorry for being harsh but it would only take one interaction where an LEO shoots a CCW holder who CHOSE to insert them selves into something that was none of their business for an IA to simply decide that they will stop issuing permits. Can you imagine a front page news story on the LA Times like that??? The liberals would have a field day!!!!!

My 2 cents anyway!
So he should've lived with feeling guilt? This is the main problem with CA in general. We do not take responsibility for each other and as a result we lose our rights and the "police state" gains more power. No business? What if she was raped? I agree he should've looked out the window, or If he had a flashlight he should've had that out instead of the gun. He had business being there, it has his neighborhood. Am I advocating for vigilant justice, absolutely not. Someone needed help and he had the right intention, it was his method he had to change.
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