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Old 03-03-2011, 3:00 PM
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I recieved my denial letter ... no reason given. My 90 days was to be up next week. I did have an interview with the Moore on Fri the 11th.

Whom should I contact to take this situation further...?

Without going into great details, I have the same Good Cause as others that have been granted CCW permits.
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I received my denial letter today as well...

My GC was "self defense".

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I'm on day 99 still no response. ...
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Received my denial letter as well. I have what seemed to be overwhelming good cause.

No reason for denial, but it did contain this gem...
"There are also many other options available for less than lethal defense options that can be utilized without a permit" - what a joke.
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Were any of you who have been denied past 90 days?
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Where any of you who have been denied past 90 days?
My letter was dated 3-2-11. That would be day 92.
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My new understanding is that a good number of denial letters went out this week. Please keep your chin up, we're just getting started. There are key events taking place in the next 14 days, so do remain patient as legal work doesn't happen at internet speed.

Reform is going to take some work, but we will reform Sheriff Moore's policy with or without him.
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I also recieved my denial letter in the mail today it was dated 3/1/2011 and post marked 3/2/2011.
my 90 days was going to be up on march 8,

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Got my denial letter today. March 15 will be 90 days for me.
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does any body have an idea as to what will happen if my denial stands, after my appeal ?

Is there a panel of people that listen, cause it seems a little biased that the same person to give the denial is also the same person that oversees the appeal.
It just seems that too much power is given to one person, and this time Sheriff Moore happens to be the person this time.

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I doubt anyone but Sheriff Moore would hear your appeal, if there is one. The discretion is absolutely improper and unconstitutional, and that's why we're suing in Federal court to take away this discretion. When we win, the sheriff becomes a secretary.

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does any body have an idea as to what will happen if my denial stands, after my appeal ?

Is there a panel of people that listen, cause it seems a little biased that the same person to give the denial is also the same person that oversees the appeal.
It just seems that too much power is given to one person, and this time Sheriff Moore happens to be the person this time.

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My new understanding is that a good number of denial letters went out this week. Please keep your chin up, we're just getting started. There are key events taking place in the next 14 days, so do remain patient as legal work doesn't happen at internet speed.

Reform is going to take some work, but we will reform Sheriff Moore's policy with or without him.
I hope this isn't some sick "two weeks" joke.

When the sheriff's policy is reformed, will we have to reapply, or simply appeal? Also, do we get stuck waiting in line again, or will the appeals be expedited?
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I hope this isn't some sick "two weeks" joke.

When the sheriff's policy is reformed, will we have to reapply, or simply appeal? Also, do we get stuck waiting in line again, or will the appeals be expedited?
Not a joke, but I also don't mean it will be done and over in 2 weeks either. There is more than 1 angle being addressed in San Joaquin; all resolve using different force (which also means not at the same time). Those denied will need to re-apply, but that is limited to $20 for those who already applied and were Live Scanned.
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Denied, letter dated March 3rd, pitney bowes stamped March 4th (which is not proof it went out that day because that type of stamp is done at the sherrifs office. Either way it was well past 90 days. So how do I seek retribution for my rights being violated? I'm ready...
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Man, I was hoping that you were actually going to get approved since you had stretched out longer than the other denials. I'm starting to think I should put up a trailer park on my farm here in Sacramento County for you unfortunate souls to call "home". Don't think my wife would be too keen on me having a bunch of "gun nuts" over for a long-term visit, though.
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I will be applying soon just don't have the scratch right now. How much did the process cost all of you guys that applied if you don't mind me asking?
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Man, I was hoping that you were actually going to get approved since you had stretched out longer than the other denials. I'm starting to think I should put up a trailer park on my farm here in Sacramento County for you unfortunate souls to call "home". Don't think my wife would be too keen on me having a bunch of "gun nuts" over for a long-term visit, though.
Hehe, no one was hoping more than I. I don't know about the trailer park, but all of us denied souls should at least have a range day.

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You know, I actually am a little disappointed with the Sheriff.

Sheriff Moore made it a point to attend all of the Friends of the NRA Dinners that the Stockton Committee put on through the years.

I held various posts within that organization over a five year period and he always made a point to tell the Committee Members as well as all the others there that he "was a big supporter of the 2nd amendment."

I cannot and will not speak to the official position of the NRA.

What I will say personally is that the Sheriff has denied friends of mine that actually served on that committee for many years. These were individuals that owned businesses and were strong supporters of law enforcement.

At a time when the Sheriffs resources are being cut and the average citizen is being exposed to a more dangerous environment due to the reduction of enforcement activities the Sheriff chooses to deny his constituents the right of self defense.

Make no mistake. Sheriff Moore, you will not be re-elected as people such as myself will get behind Calguns Foundation and your opponent in the next election.

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All,

I need to stress that there are key events that must take place before I can comment further. Your patience is more than appreciated, but required. Trust that wheels are in motion and that I'll loop everyone in as soon as possible.

Ponder: might the Sheriff have chased his ego down the rabbit hole?

There are next steps to discuss soon. As my good friend H. Paul Payne would say, this is a game of "pain, and pain avoidance". Be prepared to offer pain.

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I will be applying soon just don't have the scratch right now. How much did the process cost all of you guys that applied if you don't mind me asking?
$140 per denial...

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Of course "of course". They gots tuh make dat munny. I had 2 LSs done in 3 months(coe and ccw). Every occurance warrants it's own scan.
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Of course "of course". They gots tuh make dat munny. I had 2 LSs done in 3 months(coe and ccw). Every occurance warrants it's own scan.
They cannot make you pay for another Live Scan for your CCW. Ever, or until the law changes. As it stands right now Live Scan for CCW is good forever.
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They cannot make you pay for another Live Scan for your CCW. Ever, or until the law changes. As it stands right now Live Scan for CCW is good forever.

Yes, we know. However that is not the case with myself and ChrisO. I was live scanned for a COE, then for a CCW. Chris was asking if his livescan for applying with the SO was good for his CCW application. The answer is no.
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Hmmm...to deny...to approve with a restriction...it must be a challenge to keep yourself in check with such authority.
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Like Heatseeker, I'd like to know what kind of restriction Moore imposed. Also, since it will be public record soon anyway, what's the gist of your Good Cause Statement?
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Like Heatseeker, I'd like to know what kind of restriction Moore imposed. Also, since it will be public record soon anyway, what's the gist of your Good Cause Statement?

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Broke as always...Sad to see you guys get denied.
Just lemme know when the open carry begins(doubt it). But I have a tazer. I wish they told you how to legally carry a tazer. Tazer is bull****. My drunk friend took the blunt contacts and just made his arm jiggle.
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Likewise.

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Well I recieved my application from SGT Palmer today, time to fill it out. After our conversation I am pretty confident. He said I have one of the best GC he can think of and it shouldnt be a problem (I honestly wish it were a different situation). Wish me luck!
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