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Old 09-21-2011, 1:43 PM
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Hello all... I recently heard that San Berdoo County is denying the CCW carry of 1911 style pistols. Is this in fact true??
I've got a 1911 on mine.
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Complete FUD.

This has been coming from one of the local instructors.
He's a Glock fan... yet it could be argued that the 1911 in condition-1 is in fact safer than the Glock.

It's been discussed... I think the topic first came up late spring.

And of course, the person who posted the thread refused to "out" the instructor... but it was NOT the SBSD LTC instructor.
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Old 10-06-2011, 7:18 AM
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well i started the ball rolling they said they are booked till january and won't be doing interveiws till possibly june i hope this is not true
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I keep hearing mention of needing to raise funds to use to get the San Bernardino process more streamlined and in accordance with state law. I am willing to organize a fund raising shooting event that should be able to raise somewhere around $3000-5000 and will donate all of it to the cause if it goes to the San Bernardino effort. I would also need some Calguns members to help out. If there is an interest in doing this, AND it will make a difference, interested parties need to get together and start working on it.
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heck i will help out if it will help the process
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One thing San Bernardino can use is a revamp of their forms. They look like copies of third generation faxes. They need to be retyped and saved as a pdf file at best.
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how long has most people waited for there interveiw i am just wondering if they say not till next year but call you in a lot earlier?
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I wanted to know who to ask about the question of commercial or restricted LTC. Does SBSD issue restricted permits to those who work in SB county? I spend about half my day in Chino Hills where I have been working for 3 years, so I was wondering if I could get a restricted or temporary permit. My good cause would remain the same.
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I wanted to know who to ask about the question of commercial or restricted LTC. Does SBSD issue restricted permits to those who work in SB county? I spend about half my day in Chino Hills where I have been working for 3 years, so I was wondering if I could get a restricted or temporary permit. My good cause would remain the same.
License must be issued by the county of residence.

The law used to allow issuance from any county in the state, but certain pro-2A Sheriffs were found to be issuing permits to residents from all over the state even if they had no residence or business within that county, so the state cracked down and amended the law.

Must be issued by the county (or city, city Police Chief does have legal authority to issue) of residence, and if you move, the license becomes invalid in 30 (perhaps 90?) days.
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Received a call this afternoon and my interview is set for late January. I have been waiting since September. I didn't expect to hear from them, much less get a date this early.

Any suggestions or advice on the good cause statement and interview will be well appreciated, thanks!
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Just be honest. Don't let the interviewer "discover" anything... only confirm.
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well i got my call today i have a interveiw date it took alittle over a month for it but it happen so i will give updates when it is over
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well i got my call today i have a interveiw date it took alittle over a month for it but it happen so i will give updates when it is over
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I have done a lot of reading as to how to obtain
a CCW in San Bernardino. With that, I thought that
I was good to go. No negative records of any kind.
I have been a resident of San Bernardino county for
four years now, payed my taxes all the time and has
never had any negative encounter with any LEO.

I called SBCSD Employee Services Division this morning...

...found out that I am not eligible to apply for LTC since
I am not a US citizen. I was really taken aback and am
feeling really bad. For I didn't know that being a US citizen
is one of the requirement. I have never read anything
pertaining to being a US citizen as a requirement.

I respect their decision and I understand that I do not have
as much right as a US citizen. But I was hoping that being a
legal immigrant with a permanent resident card is enough.

It's one of those things that you have already set your mind
for, only to find out that it can't be done.


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Old 12-12-2011, 9:49 AM
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I have done a lot of reading as to how to obtain
a CCW in San Bernardino. With that, I thought that
I was good to go. No negative records of any kind.
I have been a resident of San Bernardino county for
four years now, payed my taxes all the time and has
never had any negative encounter with any LEO.
I called SBCSD Employee Services Division this morning...
...found out that I am not eligible to apply for LTC since
I am not a US citizen. I was really taken aback and am
feeling really bad. For I didn't know that being a US citizen
is one of the requirement. I have never read anything
pertaining to being a US citizen as a requirement.
I respect their decision and I understand that I do not have
as much right as a US citizen. But I was hoping that being a
legal immigrant with a permanent resident card is enough.
It's one of those things that you have already set your mind
for, only to find out that it can't be done.
ACLU filed suit in Kentucy a few years ago
www.ailf.org/lac/chdocs/Kentucky-Say-ctmemo.pdf
and KY got smacked down by a federal judge.
www.ailf.org/lac/chdocs/Kentucky-Say-order.pdf

ACLU recently filed a similar suit in SD and won, though I cant find any documents for that case (http://madvilletimes.com/2011/02/jud...atory-gun-law/)

ETAL here's the docket: http://ia700408.us.archive.org/34/it...87.docket.html


AFAIK, those were filed and handled by local ACLU chapters, so might not be able to get them to handle this case, but I'd still guess that this would be a slamdunk case, potentially slamdunk enough to be solvable without going to court...
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ACLU filed suit in Kentucy a few years ago
www.ailf.org/lac/chdocs/Kentucky-Say-ctmemo.pdf
and KY got smacked down by a federal judge.
www.ailf.org/lac/chdocs/Kentucky-Say-order.pdf

ACLU recently filed a similar suit in SD and won, though I cant find any documents for that case (http://madvilletimes.com/2011/02/jud...atory-gun-law/)

ETAL here's the docket: http://ia700408.us.archive.org/34/it...87.docket.html


AFAIK, those were filed and handled by local ACLU chapters, so might not be able to get them to handle this case, but I'd still guess that this would be a slamdunk case, potentially slamdunk enough to be solvable without going to court...


I am not really familiar how legal stuffs like this works. Does this mean I
can fight them and actually get a shot at getting my CCW/LTC? Looking
at the docket, it took around 7 months before they got a decision. If I
decide to go to court, it will take time and money. I just to know about
my chance. Ruling like this applies only PER STATE right? Or does will
decision apply to me/CA as well?

I was hoping that the person who answered the phone when I made the
phone call earlier made a mistake, I had her double check the info and
was told that I have to be a natural born or at least a naturalized citizen
before I apply.

I cannot believe that I overlooked this requirement. AFAIK, I saw it
somewhere that even a permanent resident is eligible to apply. I had
to call, for one of their requirement is to give them a copy of my birth
certificate or naturalization papers. Which puzzled me, why would they
want that, unless US citizenship is a requirement. Alas, when I called,
that's when i found out. I guess it was natural to assume that all
applicants are US citizens so they didn't have to write down that
requirement anymore.





(I know that some people will say that I should just apply for citizenship
and not expect the same rights being just a permanent resident. I understand
that. I just want to look at my options right now. Besides, I am not eligible to become
a citizen yet.)



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I am not really familiar how legal stuffs like this works. Does this mean I
can fight them and actually get a shot at getting my CCW/LTC? Looking
at the docket, it took around 7 months before they got a decision. If I
decide to go to court, it will take time and money. I just to know about
my chance. Ruling like this applies only PER STATE right? Or does will
decision apply to me/CA as well?
I was hoping that the person who answered the phone when I made the
phone call earlier made a mistake, I had her double check the info and
was told that I have to be a natural born or at least a naturalized citizen
before I apply.
I cannot believe that I overlooked this requirement. AFAIK, I saw it
somewhere that even a permanent resident is eligible to apply. I had
to call, for one of their requirement is to give them a copy of my birth
certificate or naturalization papers. Which puzzled me, why would they
want that, unless US citizenship is a requirement. Alas, when I called,
that's when i found out. I guess it was natural to assume that all
applicants are US citizens so they didn't have to write down that
requirement anymore.
(I know that some people will say that I should just apply for citizenship
and not expect the same rights being just a permanent resident. I understand
that. I just want to look at my options right now. Besides, I am not eligible to become
a citizen yet.)
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Yeah, those are district court decisions and have no real bearing in California. However, the fact that two different federal judges have rules against similar restrictions and the fact that not many other counties (if any) have similar restrictions might be enough to convince them...
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Yeah, those are district court decisions and have no real bearing in California. However, the fact that two different federal judges have rules against similar restrictions and the fact that not many other counties (if any) have similar restrictions might be enough to convince them...


Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it! I will have to sit and think about
my next step them. Whether I still pursue for my application or take some
other action. I am really not that excited to take them to court, for putting
in time and money in court does not guarantee a positive result.

I am still shaking my head about this. I was set into applying, only to find
out the last minute that I cannot. This really blows.

Oh well.

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@astroboy: First off, I feel for you, and I wish you the best of luck in this case.

As for the current legal issue at hand, I strongly advise you to play your cards close, and not disclose too much information on this forum. You do NOT want to show your opponents your cards.

I am not a lawyer, but as for my advise on the situation at hand, as @gose said, you might have a case.

Your best bet is to not say anything further here about this specific issue (you don't want to show the opponent your cards!), and contact CalGuns Foundation for advise. They may be willing to help you out (either directly or refer you to a trusted legal team), or they may be able to offer you advice on where to go next.

Seriously, contact CGF! It'll probably be the easiest route to get quick and reliable advise on this matter.

If they are unable to assist you in some capacity (very unlikely, from what I've heard), you should then try contacting the American Civil Liberties Union or the Second Amendment Foundation, both of which may also be of assistance in your case.
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@astroboy: First off, I feel for you, and I wish you the best of luck in this case.

As for the current legal issue at hand, I strongly advise you to play your cards close, and not disclose too much information on this forum. You do NOT want to show your opponents your cards.

I am not a lawyer, but as for my advise on the situation at hand, as @gose said, you might have a case.

Your best bet is to not say anything further here about this specific issue (you don't want to show the opponent your cards!), and contact CalGuns Foundation for advise. They may be willing to help you out (either directly or refer you to a trusted legal team), or they may be able to offer you advice on where to go next.

Seriously, contact CGF! It'll probably be the easiest route to get quick and reliable advise on this matter.

If they are unable to assist you in some capacity (very unlikely, from what I've heard), you should then try contacting the American Civil Liberties Union or the Second Amendment Foundation, both of which may also be of assistance in your case.

Thank you, I really appreciate your advice. I will
look at my options and see what I can do.
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http://calgunsfoundation.org/resourc...yappguide.html
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It’s taken me about 4-1/2 months to get mine. The longest wait was for the CCW class after the interview (about 6-7 weeks). And I am here to tell you what, as an instructor and shooting enthusiast that SBD class was one of the most interactive and informational class about firearms laws and justifications I have been to in a long time. Ya there was the usual dog and pony about gun safety bla, bla ,bla, but I walked out of there with a new mind set on the implications (legal and non-legal) about being involved in a gun fight. Getting sued is no joke even if it is a clean shoot.
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Thank you, I really appreciate your advice. I will
look at my options and see what I can do.
You may want to make sure you are contacting the correct people as well. Your location doesn't jive with the location of the people you contacted in regards to an LTC.
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It’s taken me about 4-1/2 months to get mine. The longest wait was for the CCW class after the interview (about 6-7 weeks). And I am here to tell you what, as an instructor and shooting enthusiast that SBD class was one of the most interactive and informational class about firearms laws and justifications I have been to in a long time. Ya there was the usual dog and pony about gun safety bla, bla ,bla, but I walked out of there with a new mind set on the implications (legal and non-legal) about being involved in a gun fight. Getting sued is no joke even if it is a clean shoot.
If you’re going to conceal carry read up!! Not just about the gear but lawyers and insurance to cover you’re a** if it comes down to brass tacks……. Sitting in a jail cell is no time to shop for a lawyer to back you up and get you home to your family.


That's what I keep telling myself now. Maybe there is a reason why
i wasn't allowed to apply. I know at the back of my head that I am
just sour graping though,haha! But I agree with you, getting into a
situation wherein you have to draw your weapon and shoot someone
is no joke, you will definitely have to deal with the law. Whether you
are on the right or not.

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You may want to make sure you are contacting the correct people as well. Your location doesn't jive with the location of the people you contacted in regards to an LTC.
I haven't really contacted anyone yet. As of now, I am just hoping that
the lady who I spoke to on the phone gave me the wrong info. That one
day I will find out that I am actually eligible to apply.
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I haven't really contacted anyone yet. As of now, I am just hoping that
the lady who I spoke to on the phone gave me the wrong info. That one
day I will find out that I am actually eligible to apply.
Well, if that's the case, then I would suggest getting in touch with the people what will (or won't) actually issue your permit.

Are you a resident of LA or SD?
If LA, at the present time... don't bother.
San Diego isn't much more promising.

But as to your citizenship status... are you here on a green card, or are you on a nonresident visa?
If a nonresident, you can't even possess a firearm without a hunting license, and I can't see any county issuing under that condition.
If you are on a green card, I don't see why you would be denied on generalities.
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Well, if that's the case, then I would suggest getting in touch with the people what will (or won't) actually issue your permit.

Are you a resident of LA or SD?
If LA, at the present time... don't bother.
San Diego isn't much more promising.

But as to your citizenship status... are you here on a green card, or are you on a nonresident visa?
If a nonresident, you can't even possess a firearm without a hunting license, and I can't see any county issuing under that condition.
If you are on a green card, I don't see why you would be denied on generalities.

I have already sent PMs to Gray, bwiese and hoffmang. I am currently
residing in San Bernardino County. I have a green card and have been
a resident of SBC for a couple of years. I did some reading prior to my
application, I saw that US citizenship was not listed as a requirement.

After more research, I have finally decided to apply. Only to be told that
they only issue LTC to US citizens. I have to present either a US birth
certificate or my naturalization papers. And I have neither. If they posted
or had I known that a US citizenship was a requirement. I would not even
try to apply at all.
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I have already sent PMs to Gray, bwiese and hoffmang. I am currently
residing in San Bernardino County. I have a green card and have been
a resident of SBC for a couple of years. I did some reading prior to my
application, I saw that US citizenship was not listed as a requirement.

After more research, I have finally decided to apply. Only to be told that
they only issue LTC to US citizens. I have to present either a US birth
certificate or my naturalization papers. And I have neither. If they posted
or had I known that a US citizenship was a requirement. I would not even
try to apply at all.
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Will do. Thank you sir.
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My brother just got his CCW last week. I gave him lots of info/links from Calguns. Thanks to all here fighting the fight.

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Want to send a special "Thank You" to all my friends who helped me get through the California BS law for the CCW permit.

I received it in the mail yesterday!

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Just wanted to update those getting ready to request interviews for San bernardino. I called yesterday and the earliest appointment available was July 17th.

I would like thanks all those who contribute, I have gained so much valuable information. I was hoping someone who recently (within the last year) has obtained their ccw can help me out with the best way to word my gc statement. Please pm me if you are willing. Thanks again.
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I had my interview this morning. The deputy investigator was very pleasant to work with. I was there most of the morning as there were several applicants but it was a very smooth process. I am looking forward to the next step!
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Regarding the proof of citizenship, I have derived citizenship so there is no naturalization paper. I used my US passport and gave the investigators a good instructional trivia moment of ways to acquire citizenship.
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I had my interview this morning. The deputy investigator was very pleasant to work with. I was there most of the morning as there were several applicants but it was a very smooth process. I am looking forward to the next step!
great to hear did you sign up for your range time after the interveiw? i have mine coming up very soon
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great to hear did you sign up for your range time after the interveiw? i have mine coming up very soon
No, she said they don't sign up for the class at the interview anymore. They gave me all the info I needed and will call to schedule later on. Good luck on your interview!
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probably do to the reason that can't charge you for the class till you are approved now. well thank you for the quick responce keep us update on how your process moves along i would like to see how quickly it moves along if you don't want to post here feel free to pm me
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Not sure if I should start a new thread for this, but I'm curious about a few parts of the process. Can anyone that's gone through the process in San Bernardino County recently answer a few questions?

1) Do the 4 references (not the 3 letters) find out that you're applying for a CCW? I know and trust all of my references, but I'd rather keep my ccw as close to the vest as possible.

2) Has anyone had a neighborhood visit recently? Were your neighbors informed of the purpose of the inquiry? I live in a small condo complex, but I don't really know any of my neighbors all that well (although I'm always polite and friendly). Like others have mentioned, I'm not interested in them knowing that I'm applying.

3) Do they do an employer check even if your employer is not one of your references? I'm not too concerned about that, as I've already had a conversation with our CEO, but there are a few people in the company that I'm not comfortable knowing about the permit.

Thanks a bunch, folks. I'm looking forward to getting this process started...maybe I'll even have it in hand by 2015!
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1. Yes, they know. Mine were contacted as a follow up.
2. They told me they visited but no one knows me, I wonder how it went.
3. If they talked to my employer he can really keep secrets after all.
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Wow. So at a minimum, 8 people (including my wife) will know that I'm seeking a permit. I really appreciate that SB County makes it even remotely possible to obtain a permit, but having so many people know your business seems a little weird.
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And the folks they contacted that I gave for references? They asked THOSE people if they knew another person to recommend. So, maybe 16-24.
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