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Old 01-21-2011, 6:12 AM
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FYI for the "Jan 12th" applicants. I saw that Sac County just cashed my check.
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My timeline so far:
Requested appointment 10/2/10
Initial appointment on 11/18/10
Approval letter received 12/18/10
Live scan done morning of 12/20/10
Live scan results sent to Sheriff 12/20/10 (same day)
CCW training completed 1/8/11
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EDIT: Permit received 1/25.
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Crap, that's not the link.
The link to download the application isn't working. This link get's you to the right place.
http://www.sacsheriff.com/organizati...heriff/ccw.cfm
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Update for my time line:

Requested Appointment - Sept. 29
First Appointment - Dec. 23
Cashed my $20 check - Jan. 21
Approval Letter- Jan 23
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called for appointment oct 24th
first appointment jan 6th
received approval letter jan 21st

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Seems like most of you are taking CCW training after your first application date, is that because you're worried about the background check or your good cause not going through?

I am planning on taking my CCW course in late February, but the first open date for an appointment is June 1, so it'll be a while. I don't see my background check finding anything, the only thing I would potentially get denied on is good cause. But then, they are accepting "self defense" as good cause, aren't they?
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Received my approval letter today. I was in the January 12 review group.

For those that want to really geek out, my letter was dated for Jan 13th (day after review) and the envelope was dated for Jan 19th.

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JT1989: Back last September when I applied, there was still some disbelief in self defense as adequate good cause but those uncertainties have clearly been dismissed. Also, some people were saying that a training certificate was only valid for 90 days, but it appears Wes received confirmation that it's good for a year (posted earlier in this thread, I belive). I think you can schedule your training any time you'd like.
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I just received my approval from Sac Sheriff today. My original appt was on 12-23-10. I understand the committee meet on 1-12-11. I noticed my check was cashed 2 days ago. Now off to get the livescan done as soon as possible.
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JT1989: Back last September when I applied, there was still some disbelief in self defense as adequate good cause but those uncertainties have clearly been dismissed. Also, some people were saying that a training certificate was only valid for 90 days, but it appears Wes received confirmation that it's good for a year (posted earlier in this thread, I belive). I think you can schedule your training any time you'd like.
Sounds good to me. Will probably be easier for me to do this way. Need to get the app printed out, and filled. And keep watching for an earlier date.
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I can't find the days and hours that livescan is open. Actually got the hours for Rockingham Station. Now I assume these are only open mon-fri but could be wrong. Anyone have which days they are open?
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wish I had been active on calguns in october...hadn't realized this had got started so soon until a coworker mentioned he was getting his!
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Here's my timeline

Initial call to make appointment 10/25 (appt set for Jan which was soon after moved up to 11/17)
Initial appointment and interview 11/17
Approval letter received 12/17
Training course with Ron Etchells (12/18) 12/19
Livescan 12/20 (clearance was sent electronically on 12/21, very fast since I did a livescan twice in the last 6 months for unrelated reasons)
Received the livescan clearance letter 01/03
Got lucky with a 01/18 final appointment
Trying to find a bigger wallet!! 01/25
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My wallet got too small today, too!
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Picked up my permit this morning from the post office!!!!!!

I trimmed the edges a bit, and it fits perfectly in my wallet. Keep in mind this is a slim wallet made for only a few cards, ID and some cash.

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I can't find the days and hours that livescan is open. Actually got the hours for Rockingham Station. Now I assume these are only open mon-fri but could be wrong. Anyone have which days they are open?
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They are open Mon-Fri from 9 to 5 i think it is, but they are closed at lunch time. if you call the number it usually goes to a automated recording telling you this. I cant remeber what time they are closed for lunch but I know I went there at 9:00 and was out at 9:15 or so. Very fast.
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http://www.sacsheriff.com/organizati...d_livescan.cfm
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If you watch this vid starting at 1 hour 14 minutes and 20 seconds, it sounds like the Sheriff made a 'gentlemens agreement' with the Sac City Police chief to not issue permits to city residents. Anyone else hear about this? The video is from a City workshop held yesterday.


http://sacramento.granicus.com/Media...2&clip_id=2523

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If you watch this vid starting at 1 hour 24 minutes and 20 seconds, it sounds like the Sheriff made a 'gentlemens agreement' with the Sac City Police chief to not issue permits to city residents. Anyone else hear about this? The video is from a City workshop help yesterday.


http://sacramento.granicus.com/Media...2&clip_id=2523
I live in Midtown but also have a domicile in the Arden Arcade area. I received my permit yesterday.
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Just dropped my application and in the first part going over the paperwork the detective mentioned that all of the local police where complianing about the relaxation of the good cause requirement, and all it will take to change is a couple of stupid people with ccw's doing something dumb to make the sherriff change his mind. Didn't want to go down that path with him at that time but, I did find it interesting.
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Just dropped my application and in the first part going over the paperwork the detective mentioned that all of the local police where complianing about the relaxation of the good cause requirement, and all it will take to change is a couple of stupid people with ccw's doing something dumb to make the sherriff change his mind. Didn't want to go down that path with him at that time but, I did find it interesting.
The couple of cops I talked to said they were in favor of it. But, that's only two, and they may have been telling me what they thought I wanted to hear. One was a CHP, and the other a Sac Sheriff Deputy.
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This was an Op-Ed in yesterday's Bee regarding the issuance of CCW's by the Sheriff:
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/25/334...rk-as-one.html
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If you watch this vid starting at 1 hour 24 minutes and 20 seconds, it sounds like the Sheriff made a 'gentlemens agreement' with the Sac City Police chief to not issue permits to city residents. Anyone else hear about this? The video is from a City workshop help yesterday.


http://sacramento.granicus.com/Media...2&clip_id=2523
Where do you mean exactly??? The video is for 1/25 is only 159 in total length.

Edit: Hmm...didn't realize that code was going to create that emoticon. Make that 1 hour 21 minutes and 59 seconds in length.

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Where do you mean exactly??? The video is for 1/25 is only 159 in total length.
Sorry, I meant 1 hour 14 minutes and 20 seconds.

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Thanks. It's hard to make out his comments clearly but it sounds like he says "we had a gentleman's agreement"....and that they are going to get together over a cup of coffee ....we talked yesterday.....and work out this issued weapons permit issue....

Hopefully, Jones will tell him that he's following the law and that he Braziel better wake up!
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Thanks. It's hard to make out his comments clearly but it sounds like he says "we had a gentleman's agreement"....and that they are going to get together over a cup of coffee ....we talked yesterday.....and work out this issued weapons permit issue....

Hopefully, Jones will tell him that he's following the law and that he Braziel better wake up!
What I heard him say: 'we had a gentelman's agreement with the Sheriffs department that I would be the only one issuing them in the city, the Sheriff would not, so Scott is..' and Cohn started talking over him, then the rest you mentioned.
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Thanks. It's hard to make out his comments clearly but it sounds like he says "we had a gentleman's agreement"....and that they are going to get together over a cup of coffee ....we talked yesterday.....and work out this issued weapons permit issue....

Hopefully, Jones will tell him that he's following the law and that he Braziel better wake up!
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What I heard him say: 'we had a gentelman's agreement with the Sheriffs department that I would be the only one issuing them in the city, the Sheriff would not, so Scott is..' and Cohn started talking over him, then the rest you mentioned.
Considering there is absolutely no legal requirement I'm aware of for the SO to agree with this, and there is still CGF/Gura hanging over their heads I'd not put too much stock in that. Maybe that's the way the Chief would like it, but I'm betting if the SO agrees they will be dragged back into court. He may have been placating the council member.
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Thanks for the name, I wondered who he was (I moved out of Sacramento 17 years ago).

http://www.cityofsacramento.org/coun...fm?MenuID=5008
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It is an honor to serve District 3 in the City of Sacramento since 1994.

I believe we share a collective vision that Sacramento should be the most livable city in America, with [few] excellent schools and libraries, abundant parks and open spaces, a dynamic Central City and business districts, vibrant arts, sports and cultural attractions, and [very few] safe, quality tree-lined neighborhoods within walking distance or a transit stop from everything you need. I believe that with hard work and careful planning we can achieve these goals for the City of Sacramento.

I am always looking for new ways to improve our neighborhoods [help get more CCWs issued, you dummy!]. Please do not hesitate to contact me or my staff if we can be of assistance to you in any way.
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any chance on showing up and waiting to see if I can get in early, like if someone misses their appointment.
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any chance on showing up and waiting to see if I can get in early, like if someone misses their appointment.
I recall reading someone did just that with success recently. If you have the time to kill why not?
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Just dropped my application and in the first part going over the paperwork the detective mentioned that all of the local police where complianing about the relaxation of the good cause requirement, and all it will take to change is a couple of stupid people with ccw's doing something dumb to make the sherriff change his mind. Didn't want to go down that path with him at that time but, I did find it interesting.
I was interviewed yesterday also and was told the same thing nearly verbatim. I wonder if we were both interviewed by the same officer, or if this is something they have all been instructed to say during the interview process?

I dont see any reason why it hurts to emphasize that a CCW permit holder must be responsible and exercise extreme care and judgment before drawing their weapon. I just hope they are not looking for any reason to turn this thing over on our faces due to one persons bad decision! You know that even if the use of deadly force is justified, the rest of us are going to have to put up a hell of a fight to renew.
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Thanks. It's hard to make out his comments clearly but it sounds like he says "we had a gentleman's agreement"....and that they are going to get together over a cup of coffee ....we talked yesterday.....and work out this issued weapons permit issue....

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Considering there is absolutely no legal requirement I'm aware of for the SO to agree with this, and there is still CGF/Gura hanging over their heads I'd not put too much stock in that. Maybe that's the way the Chief would like it, but I'm betting if the SO agrees they will be dragged back into court. He may have been placating the council member.
They may have at one time (pre litigation) had a "gentlemen's agreement" but that certainly ran afoul of the law. Not only is there no legal requirement for the SO to agree with this, there is no way that could technically be legal, for the Sheriff to agree to let Sac PD be the only CCW issuer for the City of Sacramento, as the SSD can issue to any County Resident... regardless of city of residence.
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I was interviewed yesterday also and was told the same thing nearly verbatim. I wonder if we were both interviewed by the same officer, or if this is something they have all been instructed to say during the interview process?

I dont see any reason why it hurts to emphasize that a CCW permit holder must be responsible and exercise extreme care and judgment before drawing their weapon. I just hope they are not looking for any reason to turn this thing over on our faces due to one persons bad decision! You know that even if the use of deadly force is justified, the rest of us are going to have to put up a hell of a fight to renew.
Remember, some Police Officers think that since they have had "all this training" and "you the public" hasn't had that same training or the same background checks and the like, that "you" can't be trusted with a firearm. The reality is that some people are well trained and educated in the proper use of a firearm for non-LEO situations and are far better at handling and safety than the LEO may be.

I'm a Paramedic. I also have a LOT of education that Paramedics do not get. Put a Paramedic on a stand-by at a sporting event and they'll quickly be out of their league... yet often they believe that only they can provide adequate emergency and injury care in the pre-hospital environment. Same kind of thinking and belief.

Bottom line is that regardless of the commission of a stupid event or two by a CCW holder, it won't change the process. Why? Because the Sheriff is already effectively under court order (to get the lawsuit dismissed) and I don't think Sheriff Jones really wants to go back to Court with a re-activated lawsuit when the plaintiff would have even "more ammo" to be used at trial or in an MSJ filing to further force him to do what he's already required to do. I'm sure that he's long been reading the legal "tea leaves" and has a VERY good idea what the outcome of that case would have been... which is why Sheriff McGinness caved when he did.
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I'm thinking that the Chief of Police may need a little letter on CGF letterhead that kindly asks him to recognize the reality of Salute v. Pitchess and a gentlemen's agreement between Mr. Gura, and Mr. Jones...

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Or perhaps Mr. Jones will inform him of that and save you the postage.
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Or perhaps Mr. Jones will inform him of that and save you the postage.
I would certainly hope that Mr. Jones advises the Sac PD Chief that his hands are effectively tied... Such a thing would certainly save some postage and some paper from the CGF.
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