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Old 12-11-2011, 9:55 AM
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I dont know about everyone else but I never wrote down my good cause. During my 2nd Interview I was asked why I was requesting an LTC, and I believe I just said something like for personal protection.
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I'm surprised to see the school zone restriction still on the Restrictions & Conditions Agreement form. The latest copy of the El Dorado County Sheriff's 218 Policy or "Concealed Weapon License Policy Directive" does not have the school zone restriction listed anywhere in it. I just re-read every page of the document just to be sure. Here's the entire restrictions section of the policy:
218.5.1 LICENSE RESTRICTIONS
(a) The Sheriff may place special restrictions limiting time, place and circumstances
under which any license shall be valid. In general, these restrictions will prohibit the
licensee from any of the following:
1. Consuming any alcoholic beverage while armed.
2. Falsely representing him or herself as a peace officer.
3. Unjustified or unreasonable displaying of a weapon.
4. Committing any crime.
5. Being under the influence of any alcoholic beverage or drug while armed or
under the combined influence of any alcoholic beverage or drug.
6. Interfering with any law enforcement officer’s duties.
7. Refusing to display his/her license or weapon for inspection upon demand of
any peace officer.
(b) The Sheriff reserves the right to inspect any license or licensed weapon at any time.
(c) Any ammunition carried in a weapon licensed to be carried concealed, may be
inspected and approved by the Sheriff’s Office Amorer/Rangemaster or Sheriff’s
Office approved armorer.
(d) The alteration of any previously approved weapon without approval of the Sheriff or
his designee including, but not limited to adjusting trigger pull, adding laser sights or
modifications shall void any license and serve as grounds for revocation.

I put a call in to Sheriff D'Agostini. I'll post an update when he responds.
Picked up my permit last week, and the school restriction is still on the separate piece of paper you must sign.
The school restriction would especially bother me if I had school age children to pick up/drop off every day.

Also, they're out of the credit card style permits that fit in the wallet.
But, you can fold and laminate the paper doc they give you. When I showed it to my wife, she thought it was a temporary, or I had 'made it myself'.

I don't care.... I'm legal...

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It is my understanding that you CANNOT laminate the paper document. Everyone at the Sheriff's office, on Calguns, and every CCW trainer has always made it very clear to me that you CANNOT laminate your license to carry.


With Respect to the School Restriction still being on that paper you sign, that's what I keep hearing... I've also spoken to a couple of people who've asked the Sheriff's office about that restriction and they seem to think that there IS in fact still a school restriction. Maybe people are misinformed? I don't know... Until I see something official directly from them such as a paper they hand me (or can mail to me)...
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Both the Records Department in EDSO, and an attorney fiend of mine stated that you ARE in fact able to laminate (and fold) THE ORIGINAL document. The exception is if you have additional weapons on the back of the permit, that would be obscured by folding.

You must always present the original, as copies or the credit-card style card are NOT acceptable to LE.

The lamination clause is actually specified in the statute regarding CCW permit issue..... You can find it if you Google.
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Googled for ya...

California Penal Code Section 12051(a)
(1) The standard application form for licenses described
in paragraph (3) shall require information from the applicant
including, but not limited to, the name, occupation, residence and
business address of the applicant, his or her age, height, weight,
color of eyes and hair, and reason for desiring a license to carry
the weapon. Applications for licenses shall be filed in writing, and
signed by the applicant. Any license issued upon the application
shall set forth the licensee's name, occupation, residence and
business address, his or her age, height, weight, color of eyes and
hair, the reason for desiring a license to carry the weapon, and
shall, in addition, contain a description of the weapon or weapons
authorized to be carried, giving the name of the manufacturer, the
serial number, and the caliber.
The license issued to the licensee
may be laminated.

(2) Applications for amendments to licenses shall be filed in
writing and signed by the applicant, and shall state what type of
amendment is sought pursuant to subdivision (f) of Section 12050 and
the reason for desiring the amendment.
(3) (A) Applications for amendments to licenses, applications for
licenses, amendments to licenses, and licenses shall be uniform
throughout the state, upon forms to be prescribed by the Attorney
General. The Attorney General shall convene a committee composed of
one representative of the California State Sheriffs' Association, one
representative of the California Police Chiefs' Association, and one
representative of the Department of Justice to review, and as deemed
appropriate, revise the standard application form for licenses. The
committee shall meet for this purpose if two of the committee's
members deem that necessary. The application shall include a section
summarizing the statutory provisions of state law that result in the
automatic denial of a license.
(B) The forms shall contain a provision whereby the applicant
attests to the truth of statements contained in the application.
(C) An applicant shall not be required to complete any additional
application or form for a license, or to provide any information
other than that necessary to complete the standard application form
described in subparagraph (A), except to clarify or interpret
information provided by the applicant on the standard application
form.
(D) The standard application form described in subparagraph (A) is
deemed to be a local form expressly exempt from the requirements of
the Administrative Procedures Act, Chapter 3.5 (commencing with
Section 11340) of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of the Government
Code.
(b) Any person who files an application required by subdivision
(a) knowing that statements contained therein are false is guilty of
a misdemeanor.
(c) Any person who knowingly makes a false statement on the
application regarding any of the following shall be guilty of a
felony:
(1) The denial or revocation of a license, or the denial of an
amendment to a license, issued pursuant to Section 12050.
(2) A criminal conviction.
(3) A finding of not guilty by reason of insanity.
(4) The use of a controlled substance.
(5) A dishonorable discharge from military service.
(6) A commitment to a mental institution.
(7) A renunciation of United States citizenship.

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...The exception is if you have additional weapons on the back of the permit, that would be obscured by folding....
There is no restriction against folding the permit if you have additional weapons listed on the back. If you need to present it, you just unfold it.... The Records Tech won't laminate it for you, if you have additional weapons on the back because their laminator fits the permit folded in half. Not really a problem, but you just need to make extra sure not to get your wallet wet.

BTW, congrats on your permit!
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Exactly..... I folded my permit in half, then had it laminated.... That way, it fits in the wallet. (essentially, it becomes a 2 sided, half size permit)

If I had additional weapons listed, they'd be obscured forever!

Thanks for the congrats on the license... It seemed like a long time waiting...
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It is my understanding that you CANNOT laminate the paper document. Everyone at the Sheriff's office, on Calguns, and every CCW trainer has always made it very clear to me that you CANNOT laminate your license to carry.


With Respect to the School Restriction still being on that paper you sign, that's what I keep hearing... I've also spoken to a couple of people who've asked the Sheriff's office about that restriction and they seem to think that there IS in fact still a school restriction. Maybe people are misinformed? I don't know... Until I see something official directly from them such as a paper they hand me (or can mail to me)...
I was specifically advised to laminate mine by the EDC Sherrif department.
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I was specifically advised to laminate mine by the EDC Sherrif department.
Checked the PC and while it does say it can be laminated, I will not considering the number of times I've been told not to. Legal or not, it doesn't mean you wont be pushed into a pile of manure over someones misunderstanding of the PC.
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Wes, Any update on this? It's been quite a while. Has the Good Sherriff responded?

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I'm surprised to see the school zone restriction still on the Restrictions & Conditions Agreement form. The latest copy of the El Dorado County Sheriff's 218 Policy or "Concealed Weapon License Policy Directive" does not have the school zone restriction listed anywhere in it. I just re-read every page of the document just to be sure. Here's the entire restrictions section of the policy:
218.5.1 LICENSE RESTRICTIONS
(a) The Sheriff may place special restrictions limiting time, place and circumstances
under which any license shall be valid. In general, these restrictions will prohibit the
licensee from any of the following:
1. Consuming any alcoholic beverage while armed.
2. Falsely representing him or herself as a peace officer.
3. Unjustified or unreasonable displaying of a weapon.
4. Committing any crime.
5. Being under the influence of any alcoholic beverage or drug while armed or
under the combined influence of any alcoholic beverage or drug.
6. Interfering with any law enforcement officer’s duties.
7. Refusing to display his/her license or weapon for inspection upon demand of
any peace officer.
(b) The Sheriff reserves the right to inspect any license or licensed weapon at any time.
(c) Any ammunition carried in a weapon licensed to be carried concealed, may be
inspected and approved by the Sheriff’s Office Amorer/Rangemaster or Sheriff’s
Office approved armorer.
(d) The alteration of any previously approved weapon without approval of the Sheriff or
his designee including, but not limited to adjusting trigger pull, adding laser sights or
modifications shall void any license and serve as grounds for revocation.

I put a call in to Sheriff D'Agostini. I'll post an update when he responds.
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No update on the School Zone question (at least not from me), but I just called to schedule my appointment. The soonest they could get me in was March 5th.

So almost a month. The individual I spoke with in the records office, was very friendly and stressed that the only good cause you need is personal protection. She was almost breathless about it. The three characters letters are no longer required.
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The individual I spoke with in the records office, was very friendly and stressed that the only good cause you need is personal protection. She was almost breathless about it.
My appt was last Friday. The clerk went over the application to make sure everything was in order. When she got to the reason for the CCW, before I could answer she said "Personal Protection"..
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Just saw this in the Georgetown Gazzette -

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A message from Sheriff D’Agostini...


Concealed weapons
One of the first policies I directed be modified was the concealed weapon policy. I am a strong believer in the Constitution and the 2nd amendment guaranteeing our right to keep and bear arms. The primary changes were removing the requirement for reference letters and accepting personal protection as justification of good cause for the permit. Our staff has been working hard to keep up with the applications, as we issued 844 concealed weapon permits in 2011, a 275 percent increase over the prior year.
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My appointment is in early March to drop off my application. I'm looking forward to getting the process started
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Time line starts now.
I met with Peggy yesterday, went over app. Took picture & finger prints. She said the detectives are about 6 weeks out right now. They will call when the detectives are finished, and i'll come down for part 2.

Dropped off app 3/2/12
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I have an appointment to add a third gun to my El Dorado LTC; couldn't find out to much on the Sherrif's website. What do I need to bring with me? I was planning to bring my DROS, check book as well as my current LTC & ID.

Anything else I need?
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I could be wrong, but I think all you need is the make, type (semi or revolver) and serial# of the gun.... and that's it.
No fee that I know of...
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I could be wrong, but I think all you need is the make, type (semi or revolver) and serial# of the gun.... and that's it.
No fee that I know of...
Thats what I've heard...
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Thats what I've heard...
They should be requiring this form for license amendments.

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It is my understanding that you CANNOT laminate the paper document. Everyone at the Sheriff's office, on Calguns, and every CCW trainer has always made it very clear to me that you CANNOT laminate your license to carry.
You absolutely can laminate a CA CCW. It was written as the last sentence of CA PC 12051(a)(1) before the law numbers changed and is now written in the last sentence of CA PC 26175(i). Here's the quote:
"CA PC 26175(i) - Any license issued upon the application shall set forth the licensee's name, occupation, residence and business address, the licensee's age, height, weight, color of eyes and hair, and the reason for desiring a license to carry the weapon, and shall, in addition, contain a description of the weapon or weapons authorized to be carried, giving the name of the manufacturer, the serial number, and the caliber. The license issued to the licensee may be laminated."
I typically share this code section in every CCW class. I apologize, Dustin, if I failed to do so in your course.
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I could be wrong, but I think all you need is the make, type (semi or revolver) and serial# of the gun.... and that's it.
No fee that I know of...
Also written in CA PC 26175(i) (see the above post for the exact verbiage) are the rules for what gun info must be documented on any license issued. It says that the description of the weapon(s) must include the name of the manufacturer, the serial number, and the caliber.

The standardized CA DOJ CCW application form that Brandon has listed a link to above requires everything that CA PC 26175(i) requires and also has a field for the model number of each gun. This is really what every Police and Sheriff's Department that I'm approved by requires.
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Wes, Any update on this? It's been quite a while. Has the Good Sherriff responded?
You're correct that it has been quite a while. There is an update but, I have to wait to post anything about it until it actually happens. I gave my word. I know you've been waiting patiently. Please continue. Sheriff D'Agostini shares the same views as you and I on this issue. It's just a bit more complex from his point of view than it is from ours.
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Update:
Dropped off app with Peggy on 3/2/12
Got call today from Debbie, appointment scheduled 4/3/12 for 2nd interview.

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Just a quick update. I went in for my appointment with the filled out form Brandon linked. 5 minutes latter I walked out with an updated LTC. No charge.

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I have an appointment to add a third gun to my El Dorado LTC; couldn't find out to much on the Sherrif's website. What do I need to bring with me? I was planning to bring my DROS, check book as well as my current LTC & ID.

Anything else I need?
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less than 24 hrs to my 2nd interview. I'm a little nervous about talking to the detectives. :-/
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No need to be nervious - show up on time, dress nicely and be polite, and you should be fine.
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Thx. I'll be happy when it's over tomorrow. haha
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Just think of it as a Panel style Job Interview, in front of a Jury, while being Video Taped, and a BP cuff on your sleeve.... Have your pistol's serial numbers memorized, and be prepared to explain everything in your application under intense scrutiny.... Other than that, No worries. Enjoy.
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HAHA

Thanks. I'm getting past the nervous. Now the excitement that this is almost a reality is coming to the top.

I've been carrying around my property (breaking in my Crossbreed) for the last two weekends. It feels a little funny to walk around with out my CW9 now.
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Thanks. I'm getting past the nervous. Now the excitement that this is almost a reality is coming to the top.

I've been carrying around my property (breaking in my Crossbreed) for the last two weekends. It feels a little funny to walk around with out my CW9 now.
You'll get to the point where your firearm just becomes something you just carry. Like your keys or phone....
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Interview was good. Simple questions; straight forward answers. I'm signed up for Wes' course. Looking forward to that
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Has anyone here added/removed a weapon recently from their CCW?
If so, did they update your "souvenir" plastic license card also?

I was told that because those cards aren't legal anyway, that they don't update the weapon list on the back of them.

Are they still issuing the plastic cards? Or are they "paper only" now?
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When filling out the application, is it necessary to list any juvenile crimes?
This is a tricky one, but honesty prevails... and the application states
'list all crimes", not just the ones committed since age 18/21.

Unless you are 100% absolutely sure that your juvenile crime record has been "sealed", (not expunged, excused or dismissed), you should list it. The detective will know about it based on your background check in most cases. Being dishonest is far worse than a minor crime comitted decades ago in your youth.

You should list it, and then you will have a chance to explain it... I don't know your age, but if it was a LONG time ago, they will take that into consideration.

Certain crimes will blacklist you forever, but most will not. Good luck.
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Old 04-08-2012, 9:40 AM
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User21, I'll pick mine up in a couple weeks and let you know, if no one beats me to it.


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Cmartin; I too would list it. The detective was very thorough. I had no skeletons to hide but their background reveals ALL.


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I added a gun to my LTC about 2 weeks ago. They updated the paper only LTC.


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Has anyone here added/removed a weapon recently from their CCW?
If so, did they update your "souvenir" plastic license card also?

I was told that because those cards aren't legal anyway, that they don't update the weapon list on the back of them.

Are they still issuing the plastic cards? Or are they "paper only" now?
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:02 AM
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I just read that at 38 the records are destroyed, I just turned 40. I guess I will just list them and see what happens. Either A) They will find I'm not a good candidate due to my juvenile short comings, or B) If I don't list them and they find it, I will surely be denied. Either way will have same outcome. Or....It won't matter and I get it. My initial appt. is for April 23rd, I'll post in here how it all turns out.
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Old 04-08-2012, 6:12 PM
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The detailed records are sometimes destroyed at age 38, depending on the severity of the crime.... However, the offense is still part of your RAP sheet. They just can't go back to the detailed records. Those are often destroyed for space purposes, as many jurisdiactions weren't computerized at that time.

The listing of the actual offense though (and the current/latest disposition).... that sticks around indefinitely in your criminal history. If it was actually classified as "sealed" though, it won't be visible at the level of search that the DOJ uses for LiveScans and CCW. (But it's still there...)
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