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Old 09-01-2017, 9:49 AM
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Default Orange County - Supporting Documentation for Good Cause

After reading several threads on the topic, I believe I have two solid causes. My problem is that I'm not sure what I need to do to prove them.

I frequently hike/camp/ride in areas with no cell service and long LE response times... but I don't take a lot of photographs of my truck/trailer when I'm out there, (which was what one fellow Calgunner said s/he used to prove that cause). I can probably dig up 5 or 6 photos over the last year of various camping trips, but actually go much more often than that. Should that be enough?

Ironically, I'm also an avid photographer, and photograph a lot in rural areas, at night, and in high crime areas. I made one high-dollar camera purchase last year and have a receipt for that, but have tossed the receipts for the vast majority of my field gear (lenses, laptops, generators, lights etc.) since that stuff is out of warranty, or was purchased online. I don't have any 10-99s or a business license since this isn't an income generator for me.

For this - what might I want to provide as supporting docs? Should a photograph of my field kit and an inventory/pricing of the items in it be sufficient, along with the recent receipt and a link to my work online?

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Old 09-01-2017, 10:26 AM
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From what I've read before, you'd need a photo of yourself out in the wilderness, likely next to a campground/trail sign.....maybe even a sign that says "Beware of Widlife (or Mountain Lions) " or similar.

I'd probably COMBINE the two issues into ONE nice reason.....camping/wilderness/photography/receipts/photos. Photography equipment, by itself, is kinda weak to me.
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It's got to be YOUR good cause, not some interweb canned statement. If you can't self-articulate your own good cause, I suspect your IA will pick up on it immediately and act accordingly and not in your favor.
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:43 AM
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Generally one can open carry in the forest. Some actual wilderness areas don't allow firearms at all. Carry a fishing pool with you. You can open carry in a lot of areas if you are fishing.

It's just a clever handle
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Old 09-02-2017, 12:17 PM
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Generally one can open carry in the forest. Some actual wilderness areas don't allow firearms at all. Carry a fishing pool with you. You can open carry in a lot of areas if you are fishing.

It's just a clever handle

I'm pretty sure he wants a normal CCW license for everyday use.....not just fishing/hiking
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Old 09-02-2017, 12:23 PM
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Get pics of you and all your equipment, your campsite, get receipts or internet prices of the equipment. Pics of your phone with no bars, chubracabras in the area. Don't waste everyone's time going in half arsed and unprepared. Take it seriously and show them the respect.
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I used that very same good cause and on my interview the officer ask if I had camp ground receipts and i replied who keeps those. He then ask if I had pictures and I said yes. He told me to email him half dozen pics which I did. Picked up CCW on 8/30. Everyone was very nice easy to deal with and totally on your side.
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Go with the second scenario. Self defense is no longer "Good cause". If you have something that shows you shoot in "dodgy" areas at all hours of the night with thousands of dollars of camera equipment, that might fly. Be respectful, have facts and be honest. The deputies are cool guys. They'll walk you through it. Pretty sure they make their decision when the first lay eyes on you....it's what cops do. Good luck
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Funny how self defense is no longer a good cause yet what we provide now is nothing more than to demonstrate that we are more likely to be in a position where self defense may be needed.

It still comes down to self defense.
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:03 AM
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Funny how self defense is no longer a good cause yet what we provide now is nothing more than to demonstrate that we are more likely to be in a position where self defense may be needed.

It still comes down to self defense.

Yeah, in California, merely defending YOURSELF is of questionable cause...but hey, "We'll give you one if your camera might be stolen!"
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Funny how self defense is no longer a good cause yet what we provide now is nothing more than to demonstrate that we are more likely to be in a position where self defense may be needed.

It still comes down to self defense.
I glad to see more and more people are catching on to the games the state is playing. The states ideas make about as much sense as saying you can not carry a spare tire unless you drive from Bakersfield to Barstow three nights a month.

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The good cause issue in OC is related to the county protecting themselves as best as they can from legal liability in case a CCW permit holder is involved in a shooting. If that occurs a lawyer will go over the applicant's application with a fine tooth comb. The Peruta case changed the self-defense as all that is needed to an enhanced GC from a constitutional standpoint. A lawyer will claim that the county issued a permit even though the ninth circuit court ruled that self-defense was not, in of itself, a valid enough reason to issue a CCW. This presents legal liability for the county. The county would be fine issuing for self-defense as they once did. By requiring almost anything that can be documented as good cause beyond self-defense the county can say that they followed the law (as defined by the court!) and thus help to shield themselves from potential liability when they get sued by a person who gets shot by a CCW holder. My 2 cents anyway!
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Old 09-22-2017, 6:22 PM
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If the state does not have a specific GC then the county should not be allowed to come up one either, if someone wants to sue they should only be allowed to sue the state.
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If the state does not have a specific GC then the county should not be allowed to come up one either, if someone wants to sue they should only be allowed to sue the state.
In the real world it does not work like that!
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