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Old 12-24-2010, 10:27 PM
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Hold steady on the line. Waiting for a couple of other issues to move.
So wildhawker's gone from saying "two weeks" to "two issues."

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Hold steady on the line. Waiting for a couple of other issues to move.
I just noticed my post count was 1880 (1881 w/this one). I'm in "Winchester territory": I've passed 1873, looking forward to 1892, and then 1894, and then . . .

Will I be able to get an Alameda issued CCW w/SD as GC before my post count breaks 2000 (my guess is around April)?
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Been awful quiet, and maybe that's a good thing. Patient, I am, but still pacing B&F. Any updates?

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Been awful quiet, and maybe that's a good thing. Patient, I am, but still pacing B&F. Any updates?

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You got me all excited there for a minute...
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Heh. "It's awful quiet."

[looks around]

"Yeah, too quiet."

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That is to say, calm before the storm!
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We have a number of issues being worked on in other counties which need to resolve prior to moving forward in Alameda at this point, though people similarly situated to those already approved should feel free to apply now.
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Can you talk about what those issues are yet?
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It's important to secure the field before advancing to the next objective.
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Amusing, from #2, pg19:

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"What a pleasure it has been for my wife of 25 years and I to be part of you Honorary Sheriffs' Organization"
Surprised he didn't follow that statement with "wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more"

And some of these are pretty weak as far as "good cause" go, not that I have a problem with that:

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To conform to the laws of the State of California, for personal Protection while driving alone at night for our business within the LA-East Bay area where I live and in other sparsely populated areas with in the state of California.
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Amusing, from #2, pg19:



Surprised he didn't follow that statement with "wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more"

And some of these are pretty weak as far as "good cause" go, not that I have a problem with that:



Sounds remarkably like "Self Defense"
The one that was most shocking to me was Part 2, page 50:

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...The risk of personal harm is high at this time. Many of the tenants are of Asian, Hispanic and Middle-Eastern persuasion and deal only in cash. This is their nature of doing business. They do not pay in checks, nor will they deliver the rent to my offices. I have to go to them.
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While not trying to seem as if I'm in broken record mode, I have to keep wondering what would happen if organizations like (and including) the NAACP were to catch wind of this. Would Al Sharpton have a heart attack, or would he keep his mouth shut to prevent the steerage living class from gaining more of an ability to carry as regular citizens?

While I wouldn't (now), I would love to call Sheriff Ahern on this, and I would do so in a respectful way, and would if it were appropriate for the cause.

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It is also interesting to note the number of people saying they need to carry because the have to visit a high crime area in Oakland/Richmond yet complete lack of approvals for those that live in the high crime areas.
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It is also interesting to note the number of people saying they need to carry because the have to visit a high crime area in Oakland/Richmond yet complete lack of approvals for those that live in the high crime areas.
Yet more proof of how silly the may issue laws have been twisted. Those who live in the areas that actually need to be armed, cannot be armed. Ah well... Here's to the coming change.
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Checking in here just moved trying to decide were to settle down in for awhile CoCoCo or almeada!! When are we going to be like solano I can't wait for it to be almost shall issue!!!

Sorry if the names are spelled wrong or anything else is spelled wromg I'm new to NorCal so I'm slowly learning the names, and I'm on my phone and it's a pain for me to go back and fix misspelled words
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Question for Brandon/others:

For those GC Statements that were addressed to "then Sheriff Plumber", or a Sheriff who was pro-CCW, could those statements still be used when filing any action based on EP? Is there a possibility that there may be GC statements that haven't been revealed, especially addressing past Sheriffs who may have been pro-CCW?

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Well it's been a little slow. Where do we stand?

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Well it's been a little slow. Where do we stand?

Brian
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say...

No news is good news... LITERALLY.

I believe (though, I could be speaking prematurely) that if we wait two weeks, we'll see something very significant.

Here's why

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I am checking in a little late into this thread and the need for participants in the Alameda County CCW. If it is not too late, I would like to participate.
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If anyone needs to see why so many of us say that the LEOs and BGs are armed, and that it is only the law-abiding who are disarmed, watch these two series of youtubes:



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What is the last tally as to the cost for the CCW application in Alameda County?
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What is the last tally as to the cost for the CCW application in Alameda County?
Costs are per the state standards, with only a local variance for the print rolling fees.

See: http://calgunsfoundation.org/resourc...yappguide.html
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Costs are per the state standards, with only a local variance for the print rolling fees.

See: http://calgunsfoundation.org/resourc...yappguide.html
Sounds good. If I'm not mistaken, the total is $470:
Initial application: $95
Local fee: $100
Fingerprints: $75
Training: $50
Psych exam: $150

If I've got it wrong, please advise. Thanks.
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Fingerprints are high, training may be a bit low, and the psych may not be required.
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I have a very specific need to apply ASAP. Should I be denied I'm more than happy to work with you guys to make things move forward.
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I should add that I'm here to help no matter the outcome of my app. I will be signing up as a volunteer asap
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How do I find out if I've registered as a volunteer? I think I might have already but I'm not sure, and I don't want to clog the system unnecessarily.
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I've seen the stories online about how Oakland by default does not grant CCW's I was just wondering if anyone on here has actually tried.

My thought and I'm certainly naive about this is that if California bans LOC and Oakland by their policy automatically denies CCW then is that not tantamount to giving me no access to "bear arms" and as such a clear infringement of my 2a rights?
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Wouldn't you be routing that request via Alameda County Sheriff? Not that this probably changes the perspective too much right now.
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I wish. If you live in an incorporated area with a pop greater then a certain number that currently slips my mind, well then you need to apply with the police chief.

I tried applying with the sheriff and was told as much.
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I wish. If you live in an incorporated area with a pop greater then a certain number that currently slips my mind, well then you need to apply with the police chief.

I tried applying with the sheriff and was told as much.
The Sheriff's office is incorrect. Feel free to apply directly to them (as you're entitled under statute and Salute v. Pitchess) and let me know if they refuse to accept and process your application.

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The Sheriff's office is incorrect. Feel free to apply directly to them (as you're entitled under statute and Salute v. Pitchess) and let me know if they refuse to accept and process your application.

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Excellent, I'm going to give it a shot. I guess I got confused by Penal Code Section 12050(g). I thought it went both ways and upon re-reading it, clearly it does not.

I had called the Sheriff's office about applying and was told point blank that the Sheriff out of professional courtesy deffer to the Oakland Police chief. Hmmm, time for round two!
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Ok, Round two is over and here are the results...

I called this numbrer:
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(510) 208-9890

I spoke to a very nice and polite woman over there. She asked if I was a resident of Alameda county to which I said that I was. Then she asked what city. When I said Oakland she replied "Ok, this is where we stop the process. You will need to apply through the city of Oakland". This is the EXACT, word for word, response I was given last time. She seemed very prepared for this discussion.

I informed her that I had the right to apply with the sheriff as per Penal Code 12050. She replied that I can but I have to apply with Oakland first and that if I was rejected by Oakland that I could then apply with the sheriff.

I informed here that while 12050(g) did give the right of the police to deffer to the sheriff it did not work in reverse and she had to give me an application.

At this point she said that she was sorry but that is their policy and there were no exceptions, but that she would give me the name and number of someone over at Oakland who would be very responsive to my application. She did give me the name and number in Oakland.

I told her in a very polite manner that I'm sorry but I must insist on this point. The law is very clear and it is not, to my understanding, within the powers of the sheriff to refuse to accept an application or to automatically decline an application as per "Salute v. Pitchess".

She responded that she was familiar with both that ruling and the code but that there was a policy in place and while she was unsure of what ruling the policy was based on, she was sure that it was quite legal and that it is just the way they do things.

Then she went on to say that it is very hard to get a ccw in Alameda county. That I would have to pass a psyche test to see if I was mentally fit. And that I would have to pay for very expensive insurance coverage. That I would have to take a very long class and then pass a very, very hard test at the end. The way she stressed this was as if to say that if I applied to Oakland that I would not have to due any of that and that if I applied with them it would be like going through Seal training to get my ccw.

In the end I pointed out that regardless of their policy, state law said that I could apply and that I did indeed wish to exercise my right to do so. She said again that she could not and would not send me an application until I had applied and then been denied by the Oakland police dept.

At this point I asked to speak to a supervisor. She said that there was a Sgt that I could talk to but that she was not in today and I would have to call back on another
day. I thanked her for her time and her patience in this matter and told her that I hoped that I was not being rude as I was just trying to exercise my rights as I understood them to be.

After I hung up with her I immediately called the Sgt in Oakland that she refereed me to. The call went straight to voice-mail. I left my name and number and asked for a follow up call. I will continue to call her regarding this and I will also follow up with the Sgt at ACSO for further clarification.

I have not included the names of the people involved here as I do not feel it necessary to the issue at hand. I however have documented all of the conversations and names so far and if you feel that you need this information then pm me and I will be happy to share it with you.

Please stay tuned for more adventures of "Trying to get my CCW in Oakland".
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She responded that she was familiar with both that ruling and the code but that there was a policy in place and while she was unsure of what ruling the policy was based on, she was sure that it was quite legal and that it is just the way they do things.
I see, a foggy idea for a rigid policy. Hmmm....
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Please email me your name and contact info to bcombs@calgunsfoundation.org. I'd like to give you a call this week before you proceed further.

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I called this numbrer:
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(510) 208-9890

I spoke to a very nice and polite woman over there. She asked if I was a resident of Alameda county to which I said that I was. Then she asked what city. When I said Oakland she replied "Ok, this is where we stop the process. You will need to apply through the city of Oakland". This is the EXACT, word for word, response I was given last time. She seemed very prepared for this discussion.

I informed her that I had the right to apply with the sheriff as per Penal Code 12050. She replied that I can but I have to apply with Oakland first and that if I was rejected by Oakland that I could then apply with the sheriff.

I informed here that while 12050(g) did give the right of the police to deffer to the sheriff it did not work in reverse and she had to give me an application.

At this point she said that she was sorry but that is their policy and there were no exceptions, but that she would give me the name and number of someone over at Oakland who would be very responsive to my application. She did give me the name and number in Oakland.

I told her in a very polite manner that I'm sorry but I must insist on this point. The law is very clear and it is not, to my understanding, within the powers of the sheriff to refuse to accept an application or to automatically decline an application as per "Salute v. Pitchess".

She responded that she was familiar with both that ruling and the code but that there was a policy in place and while she was unsure of what ruling the policy was based on, she was sure that it was quite legal and that it is just the way they do things.

Then she went on to say that it is very hard to get a ccw in Alameda county. That I would have to pass a psyche test to see if I was mentally fit. And that I would have to pay for very expensive insurance coverage. That I would have to take a very long class and then pass a very, very hard test at the end. The way she stressed this was as if to say that if I applied to Oakland that I would not have to due any of that and that if I applied with them it would be like going through Seal training to get my ccw.

In the end I pointed out that regardless of their policy, state law said that I could apply and that I did indeed wish to exercise my right to do so. She said again that she could not and would not send me an application until I had applied and then been denied by the Oakland police dept.

At this point I asked to speak to a supervisor. She said that there was a Sgt that I could talk to but that she was not in today and I would have to call back on another
day. I thanked her for her time and her patience in this matter and told her that I hoped that I was not being rude as I was just trying to exercise my rights as I understood them to be.

After I hung up with her I immediately called the Sgt in Oakland that she refereed me to. The call went straight to voice-mail. I left my name and number and asked for a follow up call. I will continue to call her regarding this and I will also follow up with the Sgt at ACSO for further clarification.

I have not included the names of the people involved here as I do not feel it necessary to the issue at hand. I however have documented all of the conversations and names so far and if you feel that you need this information then pm me and I will be happy to share it with you.

Please stay tuned for more adventures of "Trying to get my CCW in Oakland".
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Ok, Round two is over and here are the results...

I called this numbrer:
CCW LICENSE - CIVILIANS ONLY
(510) 208-9890

I spoke to a very nice and polite woman over there. She asked if I was a resident of Alameda county to which I said that I was. Then she asked what city. When I said Oakland she replied "Ok, this is where we stop the process. You will need to apply through the city of Oakland". This is the EXACT, word for word, response I was given last time. She seemed very prepared for this discussion.

I informed her that I had the right to apply with the sheriff as per Penal Code 12050. She replied that I can but I have to apply with Oakland first and that if I was rejected by Oakland that I could then apply with the sheriff.

I informed here that while 12050(g) did give the right of the police to deffer to the sheriff it did not work in reverse and she had to give me an application.

At this point she said that she was sorry but that is their policy and there were no exceptions, but that she would give me the name and number of someone over at Oakland who would be very responsive to my application. She did give me the name and number in Oakland.

I told her in a very polite manner that I'm sorry but I must insist on this point. The law is very clear and it is not, to my understanding, within the powers of the sheriff to refuse to accept an application or to automatically decline an application as per "Salute v. Pitchess".

She responded that she was familiar with both that ruling and the code but that there was a policy in place and while she was unsure of what ruling the policy was based on, she was sure that it was quite legal and that it is just the way they do things.

Then she went on to say that it is very hard to get a ccw in Alameda county. That I would have to pass a psyche test to see if I was mentally fit. And that I would have to pay for very expensive insurance coverage. That I would have to take a very long class and then pass a very, very hard test at the end. The way she stressed this was as if to say that if I applied to Oakland that I would not have to due any of that and that if I applied with them it would be like going through Seal training to get my ccw.

In the end I pointed out that regardless of their policy, state law said that I could apply and that I did indeed wish to exercise my right to do so. She said again that she could not and would not send me an application until I had applied and then been denied by the Oakland police dept.

At this point I asked to speak to a supervisor. She said that there was a Sgt that I could talk to but that she was not in today and I would have to call back on another
day. I thanked her for her time and her patience in this matter and told her that I hoped that I was not being rude as I was just trying to exercise my rights as I understood them to be.

After I hung up with her I immediately called the Sgt in Oakland that she refereed me to. The call went straight to voice-mail. I left my name and number and asked for a follow up call. I will continue to call her regarding this and I will also follow up with the Sgt at ACSO for further clarification.

I have not included the names of the people involved here as I do not feel it necessary to the issue at hand. I however have documented all of the conversations and names so far and if you feel that you need this information then pm me and I will be happy to share it with you.

Please stay tuned for more adventures of "Trying to get my CCW in Oakland".
Is any of that area I made bold even remotely legal??
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I knew I should've gotten a bigger popcorn for this one...
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This looks very interesting. They are not allowed to require psyche testing and insurance coverage from what I understand.
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