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Old 10-07-2010, 10:01 PM
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Howdy, I have a mini 14 target model, and it is stamped 223. Not even realizing I picked up a few hundred rounds of military 5.56 ammo, and ran it threw the gun. Just wondering if I should be concerned about the whole you can't shoot 556 out of a 223 chamber.
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My 580 series ranch rifle is chambered for both. Says it right on the manual.
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this was brought somewhere on here before and someone said all mini 14 models are good for 5.56. it isnt stamped 5.56 but owners manual says ur gtg
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Howdy, I have a mini 14 target model, and it is stamped 223. Not even realizing I picked up a few hundred rounds of military 5.56 ammo, and ran it threw the gun. Just wondering if I should be concerned about the whole you can't shoot 556 out of a 223 chamber.
Not sure if Mini 14's are ok for 5.56, but in general they say that 5.56 in .223 chamber is very bad due to higher pressures and can and will cause KABOOM!!
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Not sure if Mini 14's are ok for 5.56, but in general they say that 5.56 in .223 chamber is very bad due to higher pressures and can and will cause KABOOM!!
Except for .223 Wylde... That is actually the only chamber that was designed for both, normally found on stainless 1:8 match-grade "bull" barrels.

But if the owner's manual says that the M14 is G2G with 5.56, then it's probably a 5.56 chamber (unlikely to be a Wylde).
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Except for .223 Wylde... That is actually the only chamber that was designed for both, normally found on stainless 1:8 match-grade "bull" barrels.

But if the owner's manual says that the M14 is G2G with 5.56, then it's probably a 5.56 chamber (unlikely to be a Wylde).
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Howdy, I have a mini 14 target model, and it is stamped 223.
The Mini 14 Target Model is .223 ONLY. The Ranch model will handle both .223/5.56.
Damage ?.. A trip to the Gunsmith maybe called for...

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http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14...eets/5828.html

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The Mini 14 Target Model is .223 ONLY. The Ranch model will handle both .223/5.56.
Damage ?.. A trip to the Gunsmith maybe called for...
What he said. Manual states .223/5.56 except for target model which is .223 only
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The Mini 14 Target Model is .223 ONLY. The Ranch model will handle both .223/5.56.
Damage ?.. A trip to the Gunsmith maybe called for...

Target model:
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this, target models .223 only.
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Just a heads up for anyone that cares.

I bought my my Mini-14 Target model when they first came out. My manual says it is good to go with either 5.56 or .223. I called Ruger about that because it was my understanding at the time it was chambered for .223. I was told by Ruger that the manual was INCORRECT and I was correct in understanding that it was only chambered for .223.

So, if you have one of the early manuals for a Mini-14 Target...don't go thinking you can shoot 5.56.
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I'm having a hard time putting"target" and "Mini-14" together
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I'm having a hard time putting"target" and "Mini-14" together
Depends on the size, eh ?


p.s. I love my Mini-14 Ranch.
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I believe there is a general rule: .223 ammo can be used on 5.56 but not the other way.

Fixed it for you
Also remember 7.62x51 NATO can be used on .308 but not vice versa
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KABOOM!!!


jk. Shouldnt matter. I think Ruger says its 223 but it can shoot 556. Same as Kel-Tec SU-16, some says 223 but it is chamber for 556.
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It's only bad because it has the possibility of going "KABOOM". If it didn't go "KABOOM" then you're fine. Just start using only .223 from now on.
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I'm having a hard time putting"target" and "Mini-14" together
Oh, come on.... everyone knows it's a precision rifle!
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well as long as from now on i shoot .223 i am ok thatss my only concern. so this might sound dumb but, that means when i reload the brass has to be 223 right? no shooting any 5.56 brass even though i loaded it. sorry if that was a retarded question, but i dont really get if the difference is in the brass or the way the factory loads them.
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No, 556 just has thicker brass walls, so load a little less powder to get less pressure.
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Is'nt it that wolf ammos are 223 cal? have shot about 2k rounds of wolf ammo, all the box says 223, have'nt seen one that says its 5.56

OP, post your question on Perfect Union, I think its the mini14 site, I do remember that its ok to use 5.56 on minis though.

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Just a heads up for anyone that cares.

I bought my my Mini-14 Target model when they first came out. My manual says it is good to go with either 5.56 or .223. I called Ruger about that because it was my understanding at the time it was chambered for .223. I was told by Ruger that the manual was INCORRECT and I was correct in understanding that it was only chambered for .223.

So, if you have one of the early manuals for a Mini-14 Target...don't go thinking you can shoot 5.56.
Do you know when "early" is? This is from a Target model purchased November 7. I think it's misleading. it doesn't say both can use 5.56 NaTO ammo, but somebody could think that.


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Do you know when "early" is? This is from a Target model purchased November 7. I think it's misleading. it doesn't say both can use 5.56 NaTO ammo, but somebody could think that.


because few people realize there is a difference between .223/5.56x45 and .223 Remington...and who ever wrote that page didnt know what they were talking about. I smell a lawsuit if a kaboom were to happen.

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well it says right there standard military 556 or factory loaded 223. i am sure the people at ruger know what they are talking about, so maybe it isnt a big deal as i have put about 500 556 through it with no hicups.
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It is confusing. As far as I can tell from the Ruger website, the Ranch Rifle is a different model than the Target Rifle.
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Also remember 7.62x51 NATO can be used on .308 but not vice versa
Not true. .308 Winchester and 7.62x51 NATO are interchangeable, at least according to SAAMI:

http://www.saami.org/specifications_...mbinations.pdf

Swapping .308 and 7.62x51 will reduce your accuracy, but there are no safety issues with the practice.
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You're more likely to pop a few primers then have a kaboom, I think if you've already shot a bunch of the milsurp with no popped primers or other signs of over pressure then you are gtg with the rest of it.
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well it says right there standard military 556 or factory loaded 223. i am sure the people at ruger know what they are talking about, so maybe it isnt a big deal as i have put about 500 556 through it with no hicups.
You're free to make your own decisions.

I will tell you again, I'm fairly certain the Mini-14 Target model is chambered for .223 Rem. Articles about the Target model when it was introduced specifically mentioned that Ruger chambered it for .223 as a way to increase accuracy over the Ranch model. I confirmed this when I researched my purchase. I Called Ruger and confirmed it after I bought the gun.

If you go to Ruger's website (which I just did) and compare the Ranch model to the Target model: The specs for the Ranch model say 5.56mm Nato/.223 Rem. The specs for the Target model say .223 Rem. The specs for the Target version do NOT mention 5.56mm.

I'll let you do your own research about shooting 5.56 in a gun chambered for .223. It's not likely to cause an immediate problem. It IS likely to cause problems in the long run.
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You can use .223 in a 5.56mm chamber, But don't use 5.56mm in a .223 Chamber....Pressures for Mil 5.56mm are much higher.
But I don't own anything but 5.56mm Chambered Rifles......

General Rule of Thumb.....DON'T !

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.223 Remington vs. 5.56x45--Chambering and Throat Considerations

Is the .223 Remington the same as the 5.56x45? The answer is yes and no.

There ARE differences between the .223 Remington as shot in civilian rifles and the 5.56x45 in military use. While the external cartridge dimensions are essentially the same, the .223 Remington is built to SAAMI specs, rated to 50,000 CUP max pressure, and normally has a shorter throat. The 5.56x45 is built to NATO specs, rated to 60,000 CUP max pressure, and has a longer throat, optimized to shoot long bullets. That said, there are various .223 Remington match chambers, including the Wylde chamber, that feature longer throats. Military 5.56x45 brass often, but not always, has thicker internal construction, and slightly less capacity than commercial .223 Rem brass.

Should you be worried about shooting 5.56x45 milspec ammo in a .223 Remington? The answer really depends on your chamber. 5.56 x45 ammo is intended for chambers with longer throats. If you shoot hot 5.56x45 ammo in short-throated SAAMI-spec chambers you can encounter pressure issues. The new long-throated 'Wylde' chamber allows safe use of military ammo. Wylde chambers are quite common in Rock River guns. Other manufacturers, such as Fulton Armory, offer modified "match chambers" with extended throats that allow safe use of 5.56x45 ammo in .223 Remington rifles. For a complete discussion of the .223 Rem vs. 5.56x45 question, read this Tech Notice from Winchester, and this GunZone Commentary by Dean Speir. Without belaboring the point, we'll repeat the official SAAMI position: "Chambers for military rifles have a different throat configuration than chambers for sporting firearms which, together with the full metal jacket of the military projectile, may account for the higher pressures which result when military ammunition is fired in a sporting chamber. SAAMI recommends that a firearm be fired only with the cartridge for which it is specifically chambered by the manufacturer."

OK.......... that said....... the Mini-14's I have encountered have all had long throats and I would think they would be fine to shoot 5.56 ammo. JMHO.

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Not true. .308 Winchester and 7.62x51 NATO are interchangeable, at least according to SAAMI:

http://www.saami.org/specifications_...mbinations.pdf

Swapping .308 and 7.62x51 will reduce your accuracy, but there are no safety issues with the practice.
It doesn't say that.

It doesn't say that you can't use 7.62x51 in .308 Win, but it doesn't give a compatibility cross reference for the NATO round. I did a search for "7.62" and all instances of that text string were 7.62x39.
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