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Old 09-20-2010, 2:21 PM
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Wink Hitech guns Made in Philippines.

Friend of mine just sent me a link. It comes from some Russian webpage.
Supposedly this is a firearms factory somewhere in the Philippines.
Pics are self explanatory.
Whould you shoot such gun?
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Yes, I don't see the problem? Guns were hand made years ago and no-one **** bricks?
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Filipinos make excellent guns.
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Been to that place years ago....... Danao.. they can copy any small arms. I had one made by those Smiths when i was still living there.
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Yes, I don't see the problem? Guns were hand made years ago and no-one **** bricks?
Except for a fact, that years ago a gunsmith was typically using his own material, or material coming from a trusted blacksmith.
Besides the working pressures in modern ammo are much higher than those generated by black powder, or during early smokless powder era.
Is the metal used for those guns coming from hitech steel mill in USA or Germany, or just from the nearest junkyard?
What about pressure proofing? Their "quality control" dept. (pic # 27) doesn't seem to be too sophisticated to me.
I wouldn't trust such a firearm, eventhough I have to admit, that those folks over there must be highly skilled workers.

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I had a 38 special made by those folks long time ago. We call it "Smith & Welding", very reliable and accurate. Sold it to buy the real thing.
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The Philippines is a place called "the city of weapons." For more than a century, the Dana earn a living producing weapons. These people know how to manually you can collect pistols, revolvers and assault rifles. The authorities have created a cooperative as a way to legalize the production of weapons. But instead of making money are legal ways, the majority of working with the local mafia.


Кустарное производство оружия на Филиппинах (27 фото+текст)

Jose picks up a gun, looks at the sight. Thinks for a moment, then puts the form in the vice, which at the moment is nothing more than a likeness of the future of the gun, a piece of metal. Jose Arneskaru to spend more than one day at work, before this form will find its firepower. This muscular 33-year-old ex worker puts all the power, working on the gate. "This is the hardest part," he said breathlessly. "It will take at least a week to finish the job". This is a crucial part of the weapon, so in the work of Jose will only use the files.

We are in the world's largest co-op for the production of weapons, which is located in Dana on the island of Cebu in the heart of the Philippines. This organization is unique in its essence, it is here to produce weapons of 38 and 45 caliber, pump action shotguns, and even some models of machines. 90% of the total output produced by hand.

In this huge old building are just a few machines, the roof sprung a leak and does not protect from the rain, which is why the top hanging cloth to protect the wiring. In the dimly lit room is so much noise that it seems as if you're in a mountain tunnel.

At the 2-core machines can work and modify their weapons about 30 workers. Using drills to each item applied engraving «WORLD» and serial number. There is one big machine, which is considered the most important in the work it produces drums. "This is the most important machine," says June, watched as his colleague completes his or her part. "Thanks to him we can do the job, which is very difficult to do manually. "We do not have many tools, with regret in his voice says a worker.

In this production, each working independently to create weapons from beginning to end, and after the sale gets almost full price on his hands. It is mostly used to produce weapons of 38 and 45 caliber, as well as pump-action shotguns. Need a week to make a 38 caliber pistol, which can sell for 30 euros, for production of the 45th-caliber take twice longer, but its price is also increasing. Employees of the cooperative earn an average of 70 euros per month, which is the minimum wage in the Philippines. Nearly 100 weapons each month out of these workshops, the majority of them bought the police and soldiers, who were not given weapons to work and for whom this is the cheapest way to get it. Even the weapons are popular with the guards of shops and banks.

Production of weapons is an old tradition of Dana. They say that even if Spaniards are doing muskets. But the main production was formed in the early 20 th century, when the Philippines were a U.S. colony. During World War II, Americans enjoyed the skills of the Greeks to rework captured Japanese arms under his caliber. It is in those times here are hand-made production of weapons.

As a result, in 1996, was organized by the legal authorities of the cooperative for the production of weapons. But, despite all the efforts of the authorities, the majority of workers are made weapons illegally, without being subject to the co-op.

Find such illegal production is not difficult. In the city center you can find a small house Renato Gonzalez. All of its production consists of simple vise and a set of tools. In his studio you can see the form for the KG-9, a light machine, like an ultrasound of the Israeli production. Renata took 2 weeks to produce it, for the work he has received 100 euros. His ability to 52-year-old worker uh borrowed from his grandfather and father, who also engaged in the manufacture of weapons. "I was 8 years old when I started to help them," recalls Renato. "I was returning from school and learned to work with a file. Now I am doing this so that my children had the opportunity to go to college. "

According to Nestor Sabaytona, who until 2007 headed the cooperative, in Dana illegally produce weapons, at least 5000 people.

Of course, should be the person who would direct these illegal workers. In this man's name is Dana «Rio Shark», he is one of the most experienced manufacturers of weapons. In his studio you can see the finished automatic rifle AR-15, which is very similar to the American M-16 rifle. This weapon is worth 500 euros ordered the mayor of the neighboring big city. "This is the second time I get an order to produce such a thing," said Rio. His son added, "We had a lot of orders shortly before the election. Many politicians would like pistols or rifles like this. "

Local Elections in the Philippines have a bad name. For example, in 2007 during the election campaign were killed by 114 candidates and party members. In addition, bank robberies are also often accompanied by murder. In May 2008, there was a loud robbery, during which the offender shot and killed 10 people. It is believed that in the Philippines in the back are more than a million firearms, while a third has no license.

Despite a similar situation in the country in police stations Dana quiet. In 2007, only 2 people were arrested for illegal production and 18 for illegal possession of weapons. "We know that in the city, there are several illegal arms manufacturers," says Lieutenant Lacson Dehino, "but when we find them, we try to encourage them to join a cooperative, if they refuse - will be arrested."

The illegal business of manufacturing weapons, it seems, does not violate the peace Dan, 120 000 inhabitants are ordinary lives. That woman is given with humor, said, "If you hear gunshots in the streets of Dana - do not worry, it's just one of the masters in action check their new weapons."
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Old 09-20-2010, 4:21 PM
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Doesn't look any worse than the typical AK build party...
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Filipino guns are good to go.
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I remember back where Military Channel's Ultimate Weapon feature the Top Ten PDW and one of the top ten is made in the Philippines and its made by the Company FERFRANS here is the web site. http://www.ferfrans.net/p_pdw.htm
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OP sounds like he has the typical arrogant attitude of HURR DURR IF ITS FOREIGN AND NOT MADE IN AMUERIKA THAN IT SUCKS DERP DERP
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I remember back where Military Channel's Ultimate Weapon feature the Top Ten PDW and one of the top ten is made in the Philippines and its made by the Company FERFRANS here is the web site. http://www.ferfrans.net/p_pdw.htm
FERFRANS is top shelf. My buddy has a FUN piston pistol upper in AZ. The fit, function and accuracey of the piston gun is awesome.
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1911 Charles Daily are made in the Philippines also. To the OP on my opinion you don't wanna shoot this kinds of guns that are made in Danao, the word itself is synonymous to the word copy. They copy and fake all guns they can get hands on. FYI Danao is not a company its a place where they make this fake guns. As far as made in the Philippines guns there good to go.
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A pretty good demonstration of why gun control never works. Putting guns together out of pieces of scrap metal and hand tools.
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Filipinos and 1911s are synonymous. It's only natural since they were made for each other.


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Sure I would - Folks out there have been making their "own" weapons for a long time now - There are some 7.62 cal conversion done by the NVA using captured 1911 -
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Better than China or Malaysia!
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What's the story with Malaysia?

Or China?

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I just checked and the Malays use a plethora of arms from quite a few different suppliers -

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Or China?

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I would just like to add that STI has a budget 1911 in their lineup using Armscor PI frames.
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The writer doesn't know much about guns, you can tell. He keeps calling a copy of 1911 "a gun that looks like a Beretta" Also, from the way he wrote this, it's clear that the idea of so many guns in one place without restrictions is quite novel to him.

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Which means, "these are largely ordered by police officers and soldiers who weren't issued guns at work, and for whom this is the cheapest way to get it."
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Somebody should start importing these. Dirt cheap, and think about it - every gun is unique.
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OP sounds like he has the typical arrogant attitude of HURR DURR IF ITS FOREIGN AND NOT MADE IN AMUERIKA THAN IT SUCKS DERP DERP
It's not about the attitude. It's all about those 10 fingers I was born with. Difficult to shoot guns when you miss any of them.
Look at pic #25, and if you know even a little bit about gunsmithing, draw your own conclusions.
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So much about "quality" products from some Asian countries.
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Cool, my family is from Cebu, I gotta go check Danao out next time I go, buy some toys for our P.I. house
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gotta love it. i feel so "unskilled" after seeing these pictures....
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gotta love it. i feel so "unskilled" after seeing these pictures....

Same. I was pretty proud after I put a new dishwasher into my kitchen.
Imagine being able to make a 1911 from scrap metal...
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The guns made in Danao City (the place pictured) used to be called PALTIKS which was synonymous with "fake". They were very inexpensive compared to the real thing. Back then (the late 60's) the quality could be pretty uneven. I had a 7 shot 22 snubbie that had the chambers obviously unevenly spaced. The gun would not reliably fire a cylinderful of ammo straight through. Enough restrikes and they would eventually all go off. The joke used to be that you were "pumping up the pressure". I could not put all seven rounds on a banana tree at 10 feet. That didn't matter much because we thought we at least had a gun. We were kids. We grew up and got much better weapons from the unpleasantries next door in Viet Nam. Things got interesting at that point.
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http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=76010

These photos remind me of one of CSA's AK build parties, except dingier.
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I've shot one of this back in the 80's, a 5 shot revolver chambered in .223, no problem
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gotta love that sweat shop quality......lol...is the guy in the pic security or loss pervention??? lol
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I have to admit that this is certainly an interesting thread.

I also notice the lack of AKs anywhere in there. (I'd figured you might see a couple with the place being a sweatshop.
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I have to admit that this is certainly an interesting thread.

I also notice the lack of AKs anywhere in there. (I'd figured you might see a couple with the place being a sweatshop.
I like how you are calling it a sweatshop, lol they never mentioned anything about forced labor

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I like how you are calling it a sweatshop, lol they never mentioned anything about forced labor

Guys have skills that 99% ITT will never have.
Perhaps my definition of sweatshop isn't the same as yours.

No harm, no foul.

But there still is a lack of AKs.
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