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05-21-2006, 1:06 AM
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The Official OFF-LIST List is HERE!
We've seen the Roberti-Roos '89 list. We've seen the Kasler list, but what we haven't seen yet is the California Legal OFF-LIST List!
Well... HERE IT IS! (pdf updated to include AK Series!) Currently not hosted anywhere... AK-47 Series are also listed in post #12 of this thread. The California OFF-List Guide AR-15 Series Weapons ALEXANDER ARMS* .50 BEOWOLF 6.5 GRENDEL AMEETEC ARMS WM-15 AMERICAN SPIRIT ARMS ASA-10 ARES DEFENSE SYSTEMS, INC.* ARES-16 BARRETT* M468 BUSHMASTER CARBON 15 J-15 BAR-10 CAVALRY ARMS MKII CENTURY ARMS* C-15 CMMG MOD4-SA COLT* CAR-A3 H-BAR ELITE CARBINE COMPASS LAKE ENGINEERING MR-15 DALPHON DANIEL DEFENSE DD-15 DOUBLESTAR STAR-15 DPMS SINGLE SHOT LR-308 A-15 DSARMS ZM4 ESSENTIAL ARMS J-15-F FRANKFORD ARSENAL XM-177 FAR-15 FULTON ARMORY FAR-15 GLOBAL TACTICAL GT-AR15 GRENADIER PRECISION M4 A3 M4 COMMANDO M4 SOC GUNSMOKE ENTERPRISES M-15 MATCH HESSE ARMS HAR-25 HIGH STANDARD HSA-15 JP ENTERPRISES, INC.* JP-15 CTR-02 LAR MANUFACTURING GRIZZLY-15 LAUER CUSTOM WEAPONRY LCW-15 LEITNER-WISE* LEWIS MACHINE AND TOOL* DEFENDER 2000 LRB INDUSTRIES, LLC M15SA MEGA MACHINE SHOP GATOR MGI NOVESKE N4 PATRIOT ORDINANCE FACTORY P-415 P-416 RATWORX M-7 ROCK RIVER ARMS LAR-15 SABRE DEFENSE X16/15A3 XR-15 SMITH AND WESSON* M&P-15 M&P-15T SOCOM MANUFACTURING DIAMOND BLACK DIAMOND SPECIAL WEAPONS AR47 SPIKE’S TACTICAL ST15 STINGER ARMS STAG ARMS STAG-15 STAG-6.8 SUN DEVIL SD15 SUPERIOR ARMS S-15 TITUSVILLE ARMORY TA-15 TROY INDUSTRIES INC.* CQB-SPC VULCAN ARMS V-15 CAL1 WILSON TACTICAL LLC. WT-15 ZM WEAPONS* LR300 TOTAL RECORDS: 66 (114 including AK-47 Series Weapons) *Stripped lowers not available without purchase of complete lower or rifle Please note, many of these companies will NOT deal with Californians. ©2006 xenophobe Last edited by xenophobe; 02-15-2008 at 8:01 PM. 
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05-21-2006, 1:26 AM
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Now that they're not going to list on Cat 2 we may as well sticky this and get one the AK-47s, G3 clones, and FAL clones as well. Maybe even links to FFLs and manufacturers in there as well.
I'm getting a feeling that what the DOJ is up to will just be a features ban on our fixed mag methods. Following this regulation if they don't choose to open a registration period it will probably not be hard to walk into a court room with their letter that says the Vulcan and the FALs aren't AWs and discuss with a court how they reversed that opinion and declared them AWs.
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05-21-2006, 1:32 AM
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I don't know enough about the AK or G3 clones to have compiled a list for each. If someone will do this, I'll add them to my PDF and give credit for the entire section, if someone wants to do that. I won't add credit for individual submission, it would be too tedious...
But I figured this list was necessary. Buy more receivers!!!
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05-21-2006, 2:02 AM
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AK receivers
Not sure of the model #'s but receiver manufacturers and/or completed rifles include:
Ewbanks EMAK 7.62 x 39 Global trades/Armory AUSA ITM MK99 Robinson Armament VEPR Arsenal of Bulgaria SA M-5 SA M-7 NoDak Spud / D.C. Industries NDS Firingline MLS99 Vulcan Armament V47 I'm sure there are more but those are the ones I'm familiar with. Last edited by markymark; 05-21-2006 at 2:57 AM.
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05-21-2006, 2:28 AM
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The Ewbanks should read EMAK 7.62 x 39. You also forgot Firingline MLS99, Vulcan armament receivers and the DCI receivers. 
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05-21-2006, 2:57 AM
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05-21-2006, 3:39 AM
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+1 xenophobe awesome list!! way to go!!
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#11
05-21-2006, 12:41 PM
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Looks like we need an:
Calguns Off-List Lower Identification Guide (COLLIG)
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#12
05-21-2006, 1:15 PM
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OFFLIST AK47 TYPE RIFLES
ARMORY USA SSR-85B SSR-85C SSR-85-C2 ARSENAL SA SAS DCI NDS1 NDS2 NDS3 NDS4 NDS5 NDS7 NDS8 NDS9 NDS65 NDSY556 NDSM92 EWBANKS EMAKM 7.62X39 EUROPEAN AMERICAN ARMORY (EAA-IMPORTER) SAIGA FIRING LINE MLS99 GLOBAL TRADES AUSA HUNGARIAN (KBI-IMPORTER) FEG SA-85M FEG SA-2000 ITM MK99 IZHMASH RUSSIAN SVD AND TIGER MANY IMPORTERS KREBS KTR 03S KTR 035 KTR 03V MAADI RPM RML NORINCO BWK-92 NDM-86 MAK 91 OHIO ORDNANCE WORKS AK47 MK99 OHIO RAPID FIRE M76 (Mitchell M76 8mm clone) ROBINSON ARMAMENT (IMPORTER) MOLOT (MANUFACTURER) VEPR VEPR II VEPR K SUPER VEPR ROMANIAN AK's WASR10 WASR2 WASR3 WASR22 AKT-98 RPKT-98 SAR1 SAR2 SAR3 SSG-97 SSG-2000 CUR2 CUR MKII PSL FPK DRAGUNOV SA/Cugir (CAI) AES-10 SA/Cugir (CAI) AES-10B RUSSIAN AMERICAN ARMORY (RAA-IMPORTER) SAIGA VECTOR ARMS AMD AK47 VULCAN ARMAMENT V47-200.2G V47-200G V47-210 V47-210.2 V47-210.2G V47-210G If you have anything to add, PM me and I'll list it. Last edited by 69Mach1; 03-13-2009 at 11:52 PM.
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#13
05-21-2006, 1:55 PM
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What is the purpose of these lists?
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05-21-2006, 2:41 PM
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Mmhmm....and I saw in another thread or two that we "now officially know that the DOJ is not going to list."
How exactly do we know that?
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05-21-2006, 4:17 PM
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armory USA Houston,Tx Bolt Handle side below trunion rivets: MOD AUSA SER# AA XXXX CAL 762X39
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05-21-2006, 4:50 PM
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Man I still twitched a little reading that Xeno
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05-21-2006, 6:14 PM
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69Mach1, excellent compilation!!!
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Last edited by xenophobe; 05-21-2006 at 6:18 PM.
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05-21-2006, 8:52 PM
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I would say outside of slapping DOJ - none..... It is quite useless, but feels good... 
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05-21-2006, 10:12 PM
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I think Xeno has the best intentions and is just trying to help the DOJ do their job. You know, just kind of speeding along the process a bit and making sure they don't leave anything off the list.
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05-21-2006, 10:32 PM
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Xeno, what are the chances of writing a "memo" (remember not to sign it either) As usual, fantastic job.
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05-21-2006, 11:40 PM
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Well, they stated that they weren't going to list, so it's only appropriate for us to know exactly what we CAN buy. No more "is this legal, is that legal"... well this list is for US.
(...and if it makes the person who was responsible for building a list at DOJ look bad, good for us. And if you hadn't noticed, I'm mocking the Kasler list look and feel )Oh, and it's kind of neat... over 113 off list receivers are available to us! 
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05-21-2006, 11:47 PM
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Doublestar (All) Stag Arms (All) ... Great work.
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05-22-2006, 12:35 AM
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no love for the FALs as usual
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FAL L1A1 DSA FAL/SA58 L1A1 Century FAL L1A1 Entreprise FAL L1A1 DCI/NDS FAL L1A1 WAC FAL Hesse FAL And there are probably more that I don't know about, maybe some Argentine receivers? I'm just praying DCI gets some ready before the list actually does come out or I'll be scrambling for some DSAs I guess. Maybe even Entreprise in a pinch.
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05-22-2006, 12:39 AM
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There's no list to be updated for the FAL or for any other semi-auto rifle out there that's not an AR or AK type rifle. So take your time.
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05-22-2006, 1:20 AM
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I haven't decided whether to include non AR or AK Series rifles, because no other type of rifle (FAL, G3, M96, etc...) is considered a 'series' in California, and for the DOJ to ban them, they will need to go through a lengthy and time consuming court add-on, as opposed to AR and AKs which just need to be promulgated through normal regulatory channels.
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05-22-2006, 9:47 AM
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05-22-2006, 9:58 AM
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05-22-2006, 10:18 AM
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Exactly what I was thinking.
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05-22-2006, 10:52 AM
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05-22-2006, 12:43 PM
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Did someone list Cobb MCR?
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05-22-2006, 1:00 PM
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CAVALRY ARMS
MKII xenophobe[/size][/QUOTE] Are you sure about the Cav Arms Mk II since the pg is integral to the molding? If anyone has dros'ed one let me know, and please let me know where you can get a Cav Arms MKII receiver with a fixed mag. These are incredible recievers. They're now marketed through Eagle Arms (div. of Armalite) as the Poly-15 also.
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