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Old 09-13-2010, 10:02 AM
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Since I have a Collector's FFL and a California COE, do I understand correctly that...

1) I can have a C&R handgun shipped into California
2) DROS it through a local FFL
3) skip the 10 day wait
4) submit and pay fees for a California Curio or Relic Handgun Report within 5 days

...and that's it!? Oh, and also that I am exempt from the 1 handgun per 30 day period rule!?

cool beans....
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Old 09-13-2010, 10:07 AM
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Since I have a Collector's FFL and a California COE, do I understand correctly that...

1) I can have a C&R handgun shipped into California
To an FFL01, yes.

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2) DROS it through a local FFL
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3) skip the 10 day wait
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4) submit and pay fees for a California Curio or Relic Handgun Report within 5 days
I don't think you have to bother with this, since it went through an FFL01 and got DROSed California DOJ already knows about it. You do have to do this if you acquire a C&R handgun while on travel out of the state.

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...and that's it!? Oh, and also that I am exempt from the 1 handgun per 30 day period rule!?
Yep! And that applies for any handguns, not just C&R.
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Or buy out of state and skip some of those steps.
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I think (and have read at several places) that if I bring in C&R handguns from out of state (personally bring in or have them shipped to my address), that I can skip the DROS and just do the California Curio or Relic Handgun Report within 5 days. Seems too easy but I've read this from several sources. Somebody tell me I'm incorrect with this!
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I think (and have read at several places) that if I bring in C&R handguns from out of state (personally bring in or have them shipped to my address), that I can skip the DROS and just do the California Curio or Relic Handgun Report within 5 days. Seems too easy but I've read this from several sources. Somebody tell me I'm incorrect with this!
If you bring them in yourself, you just have to send in the report with your $19. However, you can't have handguns shipped to your address from out of state... they have to go through a dealer.

I know, it's stupid.
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Ah, but now the question is, since you DROS'ed the gun through an 01FFL, do you still need to enter the C&R pistol into your bound book?
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Ah, but now the question is, since you DROS'ed the gun through an 01FFL, do you still need to enter the C&R pistol into your bound book?

No why would you.
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No why would you.
Because some people believe that you enter every firearm you purchase into your bound book because you ARE licensed, rather than HAVING a license. Opinion on this seems to run about 50/50. People even get conflicting information on it from the BATFE (big surprise there) when they ask about it. I go with my local FFL's opinion that you only enter things that you have used your FFL to purchase, and those that are DROS'd through somebody else's FFL don't need to be in there. But IANAL and YMMV.

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Ah, but now the question is, since you DROS'ed the gun through an 01FFL, do you still need to enter the C&R pistol into your bound book?
You absolutely need to. If it is a "curio or relic" classified gun and you have a 03 ffl it needs to be in the book. Does not matter if it was dros'ed or not. In reality I suppose it is up to the person trying to enforce that to prove it, but when its the BATF they have more time, money and resources than I. Like the above post 50/50 chance.

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According to this ATF letter you....
"Must enter into the A/D record all curios and relics acquired after receipt of the collector’s license".
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/20...io-relics.html
Go with written/printed material, not someone's verbal opinion. Which do you think would hold up in court?
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Because some people believe that you enter every firearm you purchase into your bound book because you ARE licensed, rather than HAVING a license. Opinion on this seems to run about 50/50. People even get conflicting information on it from the BATFE (big surprise there) when they ask about it. I go with my local FFL's opinion that you only enter things that you have used your FFL to purchase, and those that are DROS'd through somebody else's FFL don't need to be in there. But IANAL and YMMV.

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So we agree, then Cool. Why enter it if you did not use your license to acquire. That would be like entering all your guns in your book even the ones you got before your 03.
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I don't think you have to bother with this, since it went through an FFL01 and got DROSed California DOJ already knows about it. You do have to do this if you acquire a C&R handgun while on travel out of the state.
Correct, however, even if purchased through an 01FFL, it still must be recorded in your bound book.
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Yep! And that applies for any handguns, not just C&R.
Eggzacary!

Sadly, some dealers don't understand this.
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Or buy out of state and skip some of those steps.
Bingo.

VERY convenient if you live near the border.
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So we agree, then Cool. Why enter it if you did not use your license to acquire. That would be like entering all your guns in your book even the ones you got before your 03.
As GTMB said... you don't USE your license, you ARE licensed.
Any C&R firearm obtained or disposed of while you are licensed must be logged.

Guns that you owned prior to becoming licensed do not need to be logged unless they are sold. When sold, under the "acquired" fields, indicate that it was owned previous to being licensed.

Non-C&R guns are NEVER logged into the 03FFL's bound book, unless a previously owned gun becomes a C&R while you are licensed, and you then sell it.

It is for this very reason that many collectors will allow their 03 to expire every few years, then reapply for a new one.
Unlike 01/02/07FFL, an 03 is not required to send his bound book to the BATFE when his license expires and is not renewed.
At the point you are no longer licensed, your bound book may be destroyed. All C&R guns then become "previously owned" in your new bound book when you apply for a new license next year.
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My point was if you dros the handgun under an 01 licensee then doesn't it become just another handgun irregardless of it's C&R status? Or is the point you are making Cokebottle because the handgun is C&R it is still a C&R acquisition under federal law which we are licensed under?

I have talked myself into the latter.
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Or is the point you are making Cokebottle because the handgun is C&R it is still a C&R acquisition under federal law which we are licensed under?
This.

It is one of the few drawbacks to being licensed... where an unlicensed person can simply "cash and carry" a C&R long gun, and a C&R handgun or long gun purchased from a dealer is treated the same as any other gun bought from a dealer... we have an extra hoop to jump through.
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So we agree, then Cool. Why enter it if you did not use your license to acquire.
Because the ATF who issues your license says you have to.
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Not to create more confusion but.....

I thought that any handgun DROSed to you by an FFL had to be on the California OK Handgun List. And I thought the only way around this with a Class 3 license was to go buy a C&R handgun out of state and bring it back yourself, declaring it to the DOJ with the $19. (And of course the PPT sale of an off list handgun.)

Am I wrong?

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C&R handguns are exempt from the roster for everyone, not just those with a TYPE 3 FFL. you dont have to go out of state to acquire it.

A "Class 3 license" refers to those FFLs that have a Class 3 SOT, an NFA dealer.
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Not to create more confusion but.....

I thought that any handgun DROSed to you by an FFL had to be on the California OK Handgun List. And I thought the only way around this with a Class 3 license was to go buy a C&R handgun out of state and bring it back yourself, declaring it to the DOJ with the $19. (And of course the PPT sale of an off list handgun.)

Am I wrong?
C&R handguns are exempt
PPT transfers are exempt (there is still a DROS)
Intrafamilial transfers, even from out of state, are exempt.

Then there's the whole "dimensionally compliant single shot" exemption that allows us to purchase AR/AK/MAC clone pistols.
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