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View Poll Results: Which type of sling do you prefer/think is better?
Single(1) point sling 39 41.49%
2-point sling 41 43.62%
3-point sling 14 14.89%
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Default Slings: 1-point, 2-point, 3-point. Whats the difference?

Which do you guys prefer and what are the differences pro's/con's among these slings? besides the obvious 1-2-3 spots of attachment.

I was watching a tactical carbine video and noticed that all the guys in that particular video were using the single(1) point slings. Is there an advantage to using this type of sling in a tactical situation? or is it a mater of personal preference?

Which sling should be used when? (I'm aware that each sling probably carries it's own philosophy of use)

My favorite sling is the 3 point sling with emergency release and cross shoulder transition but it'll be a challenge adapting it to my new M6A3 with VLTOR stock.


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would like to know also.........

I use a two point as i didn't want to put to much stress on one part of my rifle.
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I think that if you're taking a carbine class, a single point is ideal for quick left and right transitions. But for patrolling, it's hard to beat a 2 or 3pt. It keeps your rifle snug as a bug and tight against your body.
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The only time a single is good is during action. For walking, running, jumping, sleeping, peeing...2 point. I have never used 3 point. i hear it balances the rifle better then a 2 point.
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magpul MS2
This or wait for the new MS3
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I was looking at getting a sling as well, I'm gona have to tag on and see what others say experience wise,
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I hear the one point can smack you in the tweeners if you let go of the rifle to go to a pistol and you are moving around.
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The perfect sling is something like the Magpul MS2 with an endplate like the Magpul ASAP. The right endplate is crucial for transitioning and people with a two points struggle and have to perform extra wasted movements in order to go weak side. 3 point slings are dead there is to much extra material getting in the way forget about going weak side and I don't think many people still make them and there's a reason for that.

You have to ask yourself what are you buying the sling for weather it is for comfort (2point) or for engaging paper and steel (1 point) don't forget with the MS2 you can go 2 point to. If your looking for very comfortable its not much of an issue really but a fellow calgunner Johnnyrooks made himself a good sling which I'll be doing to my MS2's check it out if you don't mind spending $100 on 2 slings to make 1 sling.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=341879

The sling part is towards the end of this video

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this is not what the MS2 is normally used for, but i find it good for hunting applications as well when you have good sling attachment points.
having a single point sling enables you to have a "rested" but hands on rifle ready to shoot stance. very comfortable for walking in these fashions... and i can still take a shot very fast.




but notice!
with the MS2 you are still able to be hands free in a 2 point configuration if needed.





this is where i installed the QD cup to use it like this. (not normal for bolt rifles)
but it does not affect your grip on rifle. unless your left handed of course

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also to me... a 3 point is just a 2 point with more junk to get mixed up with... i personally havnt found a 3point to be better then a adjustable 2 point.
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3 point slings are dead there is to much extra material getting in the way forget about going weak side and I don't think many people still make them and there's a reason for that.
My 3 point sling has cross shoulder trasition and emergency release. It's not a standard 3 point sling.

This is it right here:


From the looks of it it can also be turned into a 2 point sling and something similar to a 1 point.

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That's the best 3 point system I've seen good job. For the OP get what works for you something that works for me may not work for you. That being said I like the 1 point because you don't need fancy sling work to get your weapon in the position you need it to be in but that's just me. The best way to find out what works for you is by testing it like going to a Carbine class or joining the service.
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That's the best 3 point system I've seen good job. For the OP get what works for you something that works for me may not work for you. That being said I like the 1 point because you don't need fancy sling work to get your weapon in the position you need it to be in but that's just me. The best way to find out what works for you is by testing it like going to a Carbine class or joining the service.
Thanks. It's my favorite sling but I don't see how I'm going to attach it to my new m6a3. The front has an easy solution, just a small rail adapter but to the rear? I think I'm going to have to cut a hole in the butstock and I don't wanna do that.
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+1 for the specter. I used this when I was in Iraq. I loved this sling over any other I have used. especially being an armorer with a lot of spare time and a variety of slings I have tried a lot. I especially like how you can modify it to use it how you need it in any situation. At one point i took the sling off and just left the part that connects onto the stock and connected it to my flak jacket with a carabiner. Just my .02
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wow i watched the vid and ive never seen a 3 point work that that. super nice i like
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This is the one I used
http://www.spectergear.com/sop_sling.htm
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wow i watched the vid and ive never seen a 3 point work that that. super nice i like
I know what you mean. Most of the other 3 points I've seen or used are basically just 3 straps which make it real difficult to maneuver when you have to shoot differently from your normal shooting stance. This one has cross shoulder transition which if you look closely looks similar to a single point sling when initiated. It also has an emergency release buckle in case you get caught up on something.

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Hate one point slings, have two Spectre Gear three points and am really happy with them. Most of my others have two points and they are great too but I am really fond of the three point for match shooting with transitioning to your sidearm. -Ben
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I've used 1/2/3 point slings before and I like 2 and 3 points the best. It's hard to run with a one point and I've heard from different people that you're more likely to have an ND with a one point, especially if you're using a tac vest.
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I used a Spectre overseas. Liked it.

I absolutely HATE 1-point slings. Transitioning to your secondary after releasing your weapon usually involves you getting yourself punched in the gonads. Rude awakening.

I really like the 2 point setups by Blueforce/Vickers/Larue. The Magpul one is also nice but the width of the webbing is too narrow and cuts into my neck on hot days.
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This is a well-written article by Larry Vickers on slings:

http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-...arbine-slings/

After my own experimentation with all three types and what the Appleseed Project taught me about using slings for support, I've arrived at the same conclusion and now use a homemade nylon Ching sling on my AR.

http://www.blaserpro.com/articles/ching01.php

It sucks for any kind of "ready" carrying, but it's great for rapid in-the-field sling support and over-the-shoulder "long-hike" carry, whether African or American style.

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I think that if you're taking a carbine class, a single point is ideal for quick left and right transitions. But for patrolling, it's hard to beat a 2 or 3pt. It keeps your rifle snug as a bug and tight against your body.
Agreed. I like the one point when going to the range to shoot for fun, but if I were getting deployed again I would definitely go with a three point. Keeps it secure yet still quick to engage after a 3 hour foot patrol. But, anyone who has cleared a house knows that the sling pretty much comes off when entering, that is why a one point is great.
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Pics of my specter 3 point with my old Stag that I no longer own

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Single point:

Pro: Gives maximum freedom (VERY important) to shoot from any shoulder and max range of motion, even when the shooter is forced to assume very awkward postures.

Con: Most insecure when hung on sling without being held. Can bang on body parts. Chris Costa from Magpul Dynamic said "So what?" But, I disagree. Knee banging on a 8 lb metal with full force can break a knee cap(would YOU volunteer to knee strike a 8 lb bowling ball?) and that can render you combat ineffective. And, that's just one example.



Two point:

Pro: retains position better when hung. More secure.
Con: Less freedom of shooting postures. But, with quick detach, the restraint problem can be solved in an emergency.



Three point:

Pro: None
Con: Even less freedom of shooting postures than two point. More straps to be messed with, tangled, or snagged. All that with no benefit what so ever in return. Hardest to escape from when the sling restraining motion range causes a life threatening emergency.


My choice:

Single point sling with additional method to secure the muzzle and when gun is not held. sinlge to two point convertable is a good choice for me. I want the Magpul sling. I'm waiting for the MS3 too.

If I must use a 2 point, I'd go with Vickers or Blueforce sling. They were very useful. No 3 point for me.

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... hard to beat a 2 or 3pt. It keeps your rifle snug as a bug and tight against your body.
I don't mean to be rude. But, I've been deployed as a grunt too. And, from my perspective that's suicide.

Sling shoud NOT limit your freedom to assume a shooting angle or posture. People get forced into all kinds of awkward shooting posture and tight spaces in combat, and I decided that the 3 point set up with end of the stock almost solidly fixed to one shoulder is a death trap after trying my team member's set up.
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When does the ms3 come out?
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I found this to be a nice review:
http://demigodllc.com/articles/tactical-slings/
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I prefer two-point slings.
One point is just a poor balance for me (and sounds like for others).
Never tried a 3-point set-up.
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1 point for the range.

2 Point for Drill or hunting.

3 point for killing bodies.
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I have a specter 3 point for my ak47. Got it on an impulse buy and havent mounted it yet looks like a great product i just hope that it doesnt get tangled up on my gear.
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I don't mean to be rude. But, I've been deployed as a grunt too. And, from my perspective that's suicide.

Sling shoud NOT limit your freedom to assume a shooting angle or posture. People get forced into all kinds of awkward shooting posture and tight spaces in combat, and I decided that the 3 point set up with end of the stock almost solidly fixed to one shoulder is a death trap after trying my team member's set up.
My Vickers 2pt sling has a cinch strap that can be slacked in an instant. There's also a quick release buckle incase your rifle gets snagged on something and you need to engage like yesterday. I agree with you totally. But not all slings are made equal.
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How do you know if they are making an ms3? I've never seen it on magpuls website or any type of announcement. What would be the improvement on the ms3

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I had a single point till I took a 4-day carbine class at Front Sight.

I got banged in the jeebers multiple times and it didn't provide any support for the longer shots.

It was also a bit of a Pita for picking up mags, etc.

I then got a 3 point which I couldn't get to work right.

I'm now going back to a 2 point.

My advice is that whatever sling you get you actually try out and use as much as you can. Take a class, walk around your house, etc. If I had tried out the single point for even an hour before I went to my class, I might not have used it.

I really wish there was a "rent a sling program" or a "rent to own sling program" something like that. I might not have ended up with a single point and 3 point that I hate. Guess I have something to sell in the Marketplace now.
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Interesting. To bad there is no padding. Wearing that in a carbine class seems it can get very uncomfortable around the neck area. Second, the material they use can fray easily if it got caught onto something (Velcro).

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Like others, I prefer a 2pt. due to several good whacks to the sack using a 1pt,!
It's never so much during the transition itself because I utilize my support hand on the way down, but training is never stationary and once you move, the rifle just swings in every direction with a 1pt.

A 2pt. limits the movement MUCH better. For me, not only was it the whacks to the sack, I have a BURNING hot silencer on the end of my gun. That thing will melt my pants in a heartbeat.

Picture a SBR suppressed on a 1pt. Now picture that 600 degree can burning your junk!

I still rock a MS2, but primarily in 2pt. mode. If I'm getting in and out of stuff, I'll pop it in to 1pt.
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I have tried and used all three, but I like a single point sling for the freedom it allows. I think Magpul's idea of a 1-2 point sling is the best there is as it allows the user to use the sling how they need it. Sometimes you need the rifle slung on your back and the ability to use it as a 2 point sling is a big benefit.

There is definately a learning curve/training issue in regards to a single point though. You do have to be some what conscious on where your dropping your rifle when you transition to a secondary. I've grown use to guiding my rifle down with my support hand and dropping it behind the AR mags on my belt, that way it stays out of the way if I need to move.
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