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WASR is in! Pics in post 45.
Ok Ive decided to pick up either a WASR 10 or 10/63. I just want an inexpensive knock around gun and the WASR seems to fit the bill.

So what exactly are the differences between the WASR 10 and the 10/63? I have searched but the information was so conflicted I dont know what to believe. In the end which is the "better" rifle, and why.
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Iirc, a wasr10 is set up to only accept lo cap single stack mags. The 10 63 has the magwell opened up to accept standard double stack ak mags. Same rifle beyond that.
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Iirc, a wasr10 is set up to only accept lo cap single stack mags. The 10 63 has the magwell opened up to accept standard double stack ak mags. Same rifle beyond that.
Ya but most WASR 10's seem to accept high cap mags now. Ive also heard there is some difference in the parts used to assemble the rifles in Romania.
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Honestly, not sure of the difference either. I have the 10/63 from Henderson. No failures after a few hundred rounds and SURPRISINGLY accurate. For a nice rifle (after you refinish the wood) at an AWESOME PRICE (about $450 shipped) you really can't beat it. I'm not a huge fan of the clean AK's that cost a $1000 bucks, I like the dirty Wasrs. I have AR's that are clean and pretty!!!!
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Henderson is who Im going to order from, just dont know what yet!
It's either going to be a Century certified WASR 10 or the 10/63, just havent decided which yet.
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The wasr-10's were originally only 10 round single stacks, but when they were imported they were modified to accept standard 30 round magazines, but the fit up can be hit or miss. Sometimes they will only take specific magazines as well due to these modifications.

Otherwise you can also sometimes find that the front sight isn't correct and will need to be played with by a gunsmith and other small things.

With that said, the one I purchased from classicarms ended up being about as perfect as a wasr can be, and has been surprisingly accurate out of the box. My only issue is that to get a good sight picture with the stock sights I really have to press my cheek into the stock and I get bruised every time I shoot the thing.
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I think most people just say wasr-10 universally now, regardless of having an open mag well or not. I have seen a few places selling the single stack version still, but not many.
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The wasr-10's were originally only 10 round single stacks, but when they were imported they were modified to accept standard 30 round magazines, but the fit up can be hit or miss. Sometimes they will only take specific magazines as well due to these modifications.

Otherwise you can also sometimes find that the front sight isn't correct and will need to be played with by a gunsmith and other small things.

With that said, the one I purchased from classicarms ended up being about as perfect as a wasr can be, and has been surprisingly accurate out of the box. My only issue is that to get a good sight picture with the stock sights I really have to press my cheek into the stock and I get bruised every time I shoot the thing.
I don't have that problem with the sight really. I did switch the rear for the Krebs ghost ring though. It costs a little money but I highly recommend and it is much faster to sight-in and would probably help you overall not trying to get your eye lineup in that tiny notch.
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Henderson 10/63 is good to go... they 'certify' it by making sure the front sight is NOT canted. (I think).
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10/ 63 has a compensator that can be removed since it is 1/14 L thread and pin/ spring. Not sure of the 10 has a side rail the 10/ 63 has a rail. So if none of this matters to you then get the 10 if you want something that allows you to add optics, dots, etc. or a compensator, then get a 10/ 63.

Great choice...I have had two WASR 10/ 63s and they were/ have been awesome. Both were very accurate and my existing one will give me Daniel Defense a run for the money using steel sights. I am still in the process of figuring out which optics mount I want since I have rings and a one piece scope mount. I love my WASR 10/ 63 and if you offered me $2k for my WASR I would flat out turn you down (plus it is the same parts year as my wife).
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10/63 mags are much easier to come by, The single stack mags don't pop up very often
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10/ 63 has a compensator that can be removed since it is 1/14 L thread and pin/ spring. Not sure of the 10 has a side rail the 10/ 63 has a rail. So if none of this matters to you then get the 10 if you want something that allows you to add optics, dots, etc. or a compensator, then get a 10/ 63.

Great choice...I have had two WASR 10/ 63s and they were/ have been awesome. Both were very accurate and my existing one will give me Daniel Defense a run for the money using steel sights. I am still in the process of figuring out which optics mount I want since I have rings and a one piece scope mount. I love my WASR 10/ 63 and if you offered me $2k for my WASR I would flat out turn you down (plus it is the same parts year as my wife).
Great post thanks, Ill be sure to ask them about those options. I know the 10 has a muzzle nut that can be removed and replaced with a compensator but Im ot sure about the rail. Again thanks.
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10/63 mags are much easier to come by, The single stack mags don't pop up very often
10's are pretty well universally opened up to accept 30 rounders.
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There's some fud up above. The large majority of WASR 10's that you find will probably have the side scope mount already. The compensator that comes stock on most of them I'm not sure of. It may be threaded, or it may not be, I haven't tried pulling mine off because it suits me for what it is, cheap.


Your pretty standard WASR-10, but I'm not sure how heavily California FFL's neuter it before it gets to you to be on the safe side.
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Well looks like ill have some time to think about it before I buy, Henderson seems to be all out
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Well looks like ill have some time to think about it before I buy, Henderson seems to be all out
Its depressing how much your FFL's charge for an out of state transfer. I can't believe they get away with charging you guys more than $20 without anybody complaining.
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Century International Arms imports the Romanian WASRs (single stack magazine, thumbhole stock, tack welded muzzle nut). They then open up the magazine wells, untack the muzzle nut and add enough US parts to comply with 922r.
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There's some fud up above. The large majority of WASR 10's that you find will probably have the side scope mount already. The compensator that comes stock on most of them I'm not sure of. It may be threaded, or it may not be, I haven't tried pulling mine off because it suits me for what it is, cheap.


Your pretty standard WASR-10, but I'm not sure how heavily California FFL's neuter it before it gets to you to be on the safe side.
i have a 10/63 and that muzzle break is threaded. i took mine off and put an ak-74 style muzzle break on it
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Well looks like ill have some time to think about it before I buy, Henderson seems to be all out
I believe we've got 1 left. If you give us a call, ask for Chris to see if it's available.

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I did call you. I'm not sure who I talked to buy they told me you were out and wouldn't have any more for over a month. That's why I bought from DD's Ranch
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i have a 10/63 and that muzzle break is threaded. i took mine off and put an ak-74 style muzzle break on it
Exactly. For example some PSL have pin and thread and some do not (they are welded and pinned. Guess what. Mine did not come threaded with pin so if you would like to switch out your muzzle break like Leo and I did then you will want the threaded one with pin.
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Congrats! You bought the 10/ 63?

Here is mine...It is still going through another transformation...

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The news that Henderson ran out of the "certified" WASRs is depressing. I was only 9 days from buying one from them
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Ya I bought one from DD's ranch. I asked them about WASR 10/63's and they told me most of what they sell as WASR 10's are actually 10/63's. I ordered the 1188 package. A little more expensive than Henderson but not enough to really matter. The guys at DD's were great, answered all of my questions sbd were easy going.
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Ya I bought one from DD's ranch. I asked them about WASR 10/63's and they told me most of what they sell as WASR 10's are actually 10/63's. I ordered the 1188 package. A little more expensive than Henderson but not enough to really matter. The guys at DD's were great, answered all of my questions sbd were easy going.
Did you get the feeling that they'd be easy to deal with on a customer service level? I guess more specifically, in the off chance that there happened to be something wrong with the gun out of the box, do you think they'd be pleasant to deal with in rectifying the issue either through replacement or repair? Also, does it come with a bullet button? Their website seems to be markedly less thorough in describing the product than Henderson's

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Did you get the feeling that they'd be easy to deal with on a customer service level? I guess more specifically, in the off chance that there happened to be something wrong with the gun out of the box, do you think they'd be pleasant to deal with in rectifying the issue either through replacement or repair? Also, does it come with a bullet button? Their website seems to be markedly less thorough in describing the product than Henderson's
My question would be who do you ship the gun to for any warranty issues. That is the only advantage I can see by ordering from HDI. They handle any warranty issues that may arise because Century will not honor the warranty on a gun from CA. I highly doubt DD's ranch will take care of that.
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Century honored the warranty on my PSL. Very easy to deal with and quick
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Continuing from above (no edit on the mobile forum) I shipped it to them and had a brand new rifle in my hands less then 3 weeks later. The only thing they had me do different because I'm in California is they asked me to ship it back through an FFL
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My question would be who do you ship the gun to for any warranty issues. That is the only advantage I can see by ordering from HDI. They handle any warranty issues that may arise because Century will not honor the warranty on a gun from CA. I highly doubt DD's ranch will take care of that.
Yeah, that had crossed my mind. At this point I think I'm just going to sit on the cash until HDI restocks
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Yeah, that had crossed my mind. At this point I think I'm just going to sit on the cash until HDI restocks
You could build one for the same price, even on a fully heat treated receiver.
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Continuing from above (no edit on the mobile forum) I shipped it to them and had a brand new rifle in my hands less then 3 weeks later. The only thing they had me do different because I'm in California is they asked me to ship it back through an FFL
If the rifle they shipped was on a different receiver they would have to ship through an FFL anyway.

I guess it helps to work for an FFL eh'?
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When was this, do you recall?
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As always, we would go out of our way to recify any problems with any rifle we sell. I cannot in good concious call a rifle "certified" as other companies do as there is no such thing as "certified" from Century. It seems to be a marketing tool. We have sold thousands of Century rifles with a very minimal rate of return or problems, but as I stated above, we will stand behind everything we sell.
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As always, we would go out of our way to recify any problems with any rifle we sell. I cannot in good concious call a rifle "certified" as other companies do as there is no such thing as "certified" from Century. It seems to be a marketing tool. We have sold thousands of Century rifles with a very minimal rate of return or problems, but as I stated above, we will stand behind everything we sell.
I've read threads that the "certified" guns still had canted gas blocks or sights. I think it's a marketing tool also but even a good once over won't tell you if their is a problem with that gun. You need to run some rounds through it to be 100% sure.
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Glad DD's posted. Of course Ill have the rifle in my hands (and in waiting for release) next wednesday according to UPS. Ill be sure to post what it looks like. Again if its anything like my PSL or Draco Ill be VERY happy.
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Glad DD's posted. Of course Ill have the rifle in my hands (and in waiting for release) next wednesday according to UPS. Ill be sure to post what it looks like. Again if its anything like my PSL or Draco Ill be VERY happy.
Definitely post some pics and your impression of it when it comes. If it looks good, I'll be buying one two days later
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Since there have been previous comments about the Henderson Defense "Certified" Century AKs, not just here but in other threads also, here's our perspective on it.

We go through the effort to inspect the rifles when they arrive instead of just shipping an unopened box straight to the customer. There have been "issues" that we've found and corrected by doing this, instead of letting the customer open up the packaging and find a problem with their firearm themselves. We also look as the "certification" process as a way to let the customer know that not only are they minimizing the chances of having issues with the firearm but also that we will stand behind the product 100% in order to make sure they're satisfied.

Is it a marketing tool? Sure, if that's how you want to look at it. But then, isn't offering a better warranty on a product than a competitor a "marketing tool" also? Heck, being on CalGuns as a vendor can be considered a "marketing tool" also.

We look at our certification process as a guarantee to our customers that the product they spend their hard earned cash on will be good to go. If a handful of folks out there want to be cynical about it, well fine. But to a lot of people it means something and that's what we're trying to get across. It means that the product has been inspected and we will put our reputation behind making sure that the customer is satisfied.

Bottom line is, some folks aren't going to be happy no matter what you do. We've had people call in and complain that their AK magazines are wobbly instead of being 100% perfectly tight - the gun functions fine, but for some reason a little bit of magazine wobble makes it a piece of junk that we should refund their money for. We've had a customer call us demanding his money back on a rifle that we sold close to two years ago, because he wasn't happy with it anymore - nevermind the fact he had shot the heck out of it for almost two years and it was still firing fine. I've personally talked on the phone with CalGunners and given them the straight scoop, even though they might not like what they're hearing - if for some reason I have reservations about a product or if we've been encountering problems with a certain line of firearms, I'm going to tell you about it so you don't end up buying something you might not be satisfied with.

We've been selling the Henderson Defense "Certified" AKs for a while now and we're going to continue to do so, despite the naysayers and what they say. We just want to make sure that YOU the customer know that you're getting a solid product that we'll stand behind.
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Henderson is good people. i just wish you would get some more c93's in! i only have 2, that's not enough!!

you guys use the solar tac mag lock on ak's, correct? so they are easy to remove after making the rifle featureless? thanks!
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Henderson is good people. i just wish you would get some more c93's in! i only have 2, that's not enough!!

you guys use the solar tac mag lock on ak's, correct? so they are easy to remove after making the rifle featureless? thanks!
The C93 rifles were pretty popular, but we started seeing problems with headspacing which ended up in us returning the ones which weren't up to par. To be honest, I don't think we're going to be ordering any more due to this.
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Henderson is good people. i just wish you would get some more c93's in! i only have 2, that's not enough!!

you guys use the solar tac mag lock on ak's, correct? so they are easy to remove after making the rifle featureless? thanks!
Agreed on both comments! I called Henderson inquiring about the C93's and was told that they weren't able to "certify" them, so weren't going to sell any for awhile because of numerous problems they were finding. That's good business right there!!! I love my Wasr I got from them and it has no issues at all and ya, I like knowing where they stand on it if it goes down for some reason. I hope Henderson is able to get more C93s in stock and the only reason I haven't bought one elsewhere is because I want it checked over by someone who knows what to look for. i.e. Henderson Defense.
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