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Old 08-30-2010, 12:28 PM
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What is the best red dot sight to get that isn't that expensive like the Eotech's. I am not ready to get a really good sight such as an Eotech or ACOG. I just want a red dot sight that is better than the stock iron sight. Let me know your opinions...thanks!
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Save your money, its worth it to get an aimpoint/eotech/acog. You can probably find a used aimpoint for about 300-400.
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Bushnell makes some inexpensive ones that will hold zero. I would advise that you hold out for an Aimpoint/EOTech. There's a reason everyone uses them.
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Ok, then out of the Eotech, ACOG, and Aimpoint sights....which one do you recommend?
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Bushnell TRS-25 for $79 @ cabelas..
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Ok, then out of the Eotech, ACOG, and Aimpoint sights....which one do you recommend?
Depends on what you want to use it for and what sort of system you prefer.

All are very well made.

Eotech : 1MOA dot, 65MOA circle, quick aquisition, better for close quarters, comes in lots of different models (AA's, CR123's, button batteries).

Aimpoint: 1-2MOA dot, harder to acquire very quickly, smaller field of view, good for a bit more precision.

ACOG: Excellent ranging, can't open eyes fire easily, smaller field of view, good out to several hundred yards +, no batteries required.

I have an eotech 512, and I love it, but I have recently wanted to magnify it, which can cost me anywhere from 300-500+ for a decent optic. That puts me into acog territory, and I'll probably end up getting an acog and throwing the eotech onto my AR pistol.
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I bought an imitation Eotech, its...ehh usable I guess...
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A lot of my customer opt for less expensive red dots against my advise. I advise spend the money on an Aimpoint and you wont regret it. They tell me they will later.

We have a defensive carbine match at the local range once a month, one Sunday it was raining, we're in Florida it happens. All the less expensive red dots quit working (some from one drop of rain) The Aim points kept on ticking as the rain became a monsoon like weather and they still worked.

Moral of the story is you get what you pay for in optics and if you ruin a few $200 red dots you could have bought an Aimpoint.
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Moral of the story is you get what you pay for in optics and if you ruin a few $200 red dots you could have bought an Aimpoint.
Exactly the lesson I learned, the hard way.
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personally I am looking to get an aimpoint t-1. Got a vortex strikefire to tie me over until that happens. then it will live out its comfortable retirement on top of a 10/22.
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Ok, then out of the Eotech, ACOG, and Aimpoint sights....which one do you recommend?
Do you want magnification or no magnification? If you're only going to shoot magnified, get an ACOG and don't look back. The drawback to the ACOG is that if you're going to take a tactical class shooting closer than 100 yards, then you're going to be slower on your sights than someone with a non-magnified optic.

Which brings us to Eotech and Aimpoint. While magnifiers for both are available, out of the box they're not magnified. Aimpoint has a reputation for having more robust and reliable electronics than Eotech, but the field of view is narrower because you have to look through a tube. Eotechs have smaller central dots and feature a wider field of view, but they tend to be heavier and I've heard of more people having problems with Eotechs' electronics than Aimpoint.

If you do decide to get an ACOG, PM me cuz I'm thinking about selling my TA31.

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Ok, here is some more info.
I am new to shooting. I shoot for fun. I don't plan on competition shooting anytime soon. I live in Southern California and it doesn't rain much here. While I would LOVE an Eotech, Aimpoint, or ACOG, I cannot afford one right now. Plus, it just seems like those sights are so fancy and for people who are into competition, etc. If I do get more serious, then I would definitely invest in one of those sights. But for now, I just want something better than the stock rear iron sight which I can barely see anything because the hole on it is SOOOO small. Maybe I can buy a different rear iron sight for now.....
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Do you want magnification or no magnification? If you're only going to shoot magnified, get an ACOG and don't look back. The drawback to the ACOG is that if you're going to take a tactical class shooting closer than 100 yards, then you're going to be slower on your sights than someone with a non-magnified optic.

Which brings us to Eotech and Aimpoint. While magnifiers for both are available, out of the box they're not magnified. Aimpoint has a reputation for having more robust and reliable electronics than Eotech, but the field of view is narrower because you have to look through a tube. Eotechs have smaller central dots and feature a wider field of view, but they tend to be heavier and I've heard of more people having problems with Eotechs' electronics than Aimpoint.

If you do decide to get an ACOG, PM me cuz I'm thinking about selling my TA31.
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Optics are like rifles. It all depends on what your going to use it for.

For your rifle it depends on what your going to use it for and then buy the optic that fits your liking and needs.

I'd start with something around 100-200 dollars as it will most likely hold zero and be decent enough for range trips. If you use the crap out of it and spend lots of time on the range, and you wear it out....then you know its time to buy a better optic and by then you will have a good grasp of what you want out of your optic. If it sits in the safe and hardley gets used then you invested a decent amount of money and got a decent product rather than drop $1000 for an optic that essentially won't get used to its potential, but you will have the "cool accessories" to show off to your friends.

Unless your going to iraq or afganistan or need it for serious military/police type action starting off inexpensive is a good way to see if you will really use it and odds are you won't be shooting it everyday and your life won't depend on it like the military or police do, so if it breaks its just the end of a range trip.

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yea but if you ruin one and decided "hey I'm really into this stuff" and buy a good optic than you know it will get used.....vs spending too much in the first place and never using it. In the end buying a cheaper one first could be more expensive, or it could be cheaper, but in the end....he will know how much he is willing to pay.

Sounds like the OP is just getting started and won't be doing any 3 gun competitions for a while and wants to see if he really is into shooting.

I get what your saying tho....the danger lies in buying 2 or 3 cheaper optics rather than just buying a good one right off the bat.
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Thanks! Yes, what you said is exactly what is on my mind. I go to the range maybe about twice a month. I don't want to spend over $500 on something that I probably don't even really need. Thanks!


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Optics are like rifles. It all depends on what your going to use it for.

For your rifle it depends on what your going to use it for and then buy the optic that fits your liking and needs.

I'd start with something around 100-200 dollars as it will most likely hold zero and be decent enough for range trips. If you use the crap out of it and spend lots of time on the range, and you wear it out....then you know its time to buy a better optic and by then you will have a good grasp of what you want out of your optic. If it sits in the safe and hardley gets used then you invested a decent amount of money and got a decent product rather than drop $1000 for an optic that essentially won't get used to its potential, but you will have the "cool accessories" to show off to your friends.

Unless your going to iraq or afganistan or need it for serious military/police type action starting off inexpensive is a good way to see if you will really use it and odds are you won't be shooting it everyday and your life won't depend on it like the military or police do, so if it breaks its just the end of a range trip.

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I am a girl

But yes, you are right...I am just starting. In fact, I shot my brand new AR15 for the very first time this past weekend. Of course I became quickly addicted to it and now want to buy stuff for it. I got the rail system, and foregrip....and the other thing was just that the stock rear sight bugged me. I think I might go with a cheap sight at first....if it fails me once, I won't buy another....

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yea but if you ruin one and decided "hey I'm really into this stuff" and buy a good optic than you know it will get used.....vs spending too much in the first place and never using it. In the end buying a cheaper one first could be more expensive, or it could be cheaper, but in the end....he will know how much he is willing to pay.

Sounds like the OP is just getting started and won't be doing any 3 gun competitions for a while and wants to see if he really is into shooting.

I get what your saying tho....the danger lies in buying 2 or 3 cheaper optics rather than just buying a good one right off the bat.
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Personally, I did not want to get an Aimpoint or Eotech just yet. For practice, I just spent under $100 and got a Primary arms red dot. For me, it is fairly well buit and holds zero....I'm still a novice, so it didn't make sense to fork over all that money until I got better at the range. In fact, my opinion is that one should first get proficient at using their iron sights before graduating to electronic optics.
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I am a girl

But yes, you are right...I am just starting. In fact, I shot my brand new AR15 for the very first time this past weekend. Of course I became quickly addicted to it and now want to buy stuff for it. I got the rail system, and foregrip....and the other thing was just that the stock rear sight bugged me. I think I might go with a cheap sight at first....if it fails me once, I won't buy another....
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If you're looking for some great iron sights, go with Magpul....their MBUIS is reasonably priced.... I got mine for around $50 at Gunrunners in Duarte
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sorry girl!

BTW welcome to the smallest group of calgunners around....females! LOL.

I love seeing more and more girls on this site!
Thanks! I love this website already.....so much great information!
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That is what I am thinking. I think I just might get a new rear iron sight for now.


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Thanks! Will check them out.

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so true! But after 100 yards for some of us its hard to do......especially iron sights while standing....
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Yes, that is the problem I am having!

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It is good to see new and better yet female shooters. I actually think females shot better instinctively. Better reaction time and patience typically.

With being new to the sport I would suggest just getting good with plain jane irons. There should be a small and large aperture as well. Once you can engage targets from 5-300 yards quickly and with good hits on target then get optics. Do your self a favor and learn the fundamentals first and that includes irons. This is why my wife just uses her A2 with no optics, even though she is a SPC in the Army, she knows how to use a rifle well and use the optics but she likes the KISS method and really doesnt need the optics as she has a lot to learn with out them.

When it is time to upgrade though I still advise not to get cheap optics. It is not just rain that kills them, one fall from a table, bad battery, sand, bouncing in a car, recoil from shooting, heat, direct sunlight. All these things I have seen kill cheap optics.

Also optics are not just for duty, competition, and hunting guns. In my opinion if your going to rely on optics at all make sure they are worth relying on.

God forbid you have to use it to save a life and the optic fails.
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I have bought 4 red dot from Primary arms and have been happy with them..
I bought a couple of M3 and 2 of the micro red dot..

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I also have 2 Aimpoint T1 and a Eotech 552 just so I can be tacticool..

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I prefer Aimpoints over the Eotechs. I like the H-1/T-1 over the M3, but I'm sorely tempted to trade my H-1s towards M4s.

Running the M4 on my mid-length and the more I use it, the more I like it over the H-1 on my carbine and the one on my FAL.
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I have an EOTech 517 with a Sightmark 7x magnifier that I paid $439.95 for. I wouldn't trade it for anything and it was worth every penny. I am now building a 22lr AR 15 and I'll be using a Primary Arms M3 multi reticle red dot. Everyone I've talk to seems to really like them and for $99 you're not out alot. Just my opinion.

Another good sight if you can find one is the Bushnell Holosight. It's made by EOTech for Bushnell and is around $200.

You can also get a Lucid HD7 for around $200.
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I have an EOtech EXPS2-0 on my DDM4 and just bought another EXPS2-0 for my ACR. I was going to get an Aimpoint H-1 but it was a bit pricey. I got my Eotech for about $475 shipped plus the $50 rebate.
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Bought a PA red dot to see how I liked the whole idea of a red dot, and/or if I should get an acog, etc instead. Basically a cheap feeler to see where/how I should spend my money.

I figure I'll always have a cheap/fun gun that I can throw the PA red dot on where it won't matter so much.
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Moral of the story is you get what you pay for in optics and if you ruin a few $200 red dots you could have bought an Aimpoint.
I broke 3 cheap red dots before I learned this lesson. For some reason EOTech's don't break after firing 300 rounds like the cheap sights do, who knew?
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Old 08-30-2010, 2:16 PM
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A lot of my customer opt for less expensive red dots against my advise. I advise spend the money on an Aimpoint and you wont regret it. They tell me they will later.

We have a defensive carbine match at the local range once a month, one Sunday it was raining, we're in Florida it happens. All the less expensive red dots quit working (some from one drop of rain) The Aim points kept on ticking as the rain became a monsoon like weather and they still worked.

Moral of the story is you get what you pay for in optics and if you ruin a few $200 red dots you could have bought an Aimpoint.

Not to mention some of the earlier versions on EoTechs like 511 and 512 can be picked up down in the low $300 range these days.
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Thanks everyone for the replies! I think I will probably go with a different rear iron sight for now like some suggested. Once I got that down, I will probably look into an Eotech as those seem to fit me better.
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If you don't want to spend a lot of money and don't really care for mil-spec, I recommend a Vortex Sparc. Mine holds zero just fine and is very rugged yet almost as small as a H1/T1. The glass has a little bit of bluish tint to it so it's not as clear in the dark as an Aimpoint. The 6hr auto shut off is a plus and it's really really bright so I never had to turn it up all the way in the day time. There's also a lip on the it so you can actually fit some Butler Creek #4 flip up caps unlike a T1/H1.
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