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Default FULL - Ken Hackathorn 2-Day Advanced Handgun - Jan 15-16, 2011 - Chino, CA

Ken Hackathorn 2-Day Advanced Handgun - Jan 15-16, 2011 - Chino, CA



Ken Hackathorn has served as a US Army Special Forces Small Arms Instructor, Gunsite Instructor, and NRA Police Firearms Instructor. He is currently an FBI Certified Firearms Instructor, Certified Deputy Sheriff with Washington County SO, Ohio, and a SRT member and Special Response Team trainer. Ken has trained US Military Special Operations forces, Marine FAST and SOTG units and is a contract small arms trainer to FBI SWAT and HRT.

Ken has provided training to Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies and been active in small arms training for the past 25 years. He has written firearms related material for Guns & Ammo, Combat Handguns, Soldier Of Fortune, and currently American Handgunner and contributed to at least six other gun/shooting journals. Ken was also a founding member of IPSC and IDPA.




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Ken Hackathorn 2-Day Advanced Handgun - Jan 15-16, 2011 - Chino, CA


**Only for Students who have attended previous defensive pistol training programs. Note: this is not a new or beginners’ level training program. Students should already have an acceptable level of gun handling and marksmanship skills.**

Day One:
- Introduction, followed by a lecture on tactical mental applications, legal aspects, and equipment selection.
- Late morning range drills and review of the ‘key’ advanced shooting principles.
- Lunch for 45 minutes
- Return to range for advanced approach to pistol presentation, follow through, and scanning. Turns, pivots, emergency reloads, and multiple targets. Intro to shooting on the move, and related skill drills.
- Break for Dinner until dusk, then low- light firing techniques, with flashlight and without.

Day Two:
- Resume training with continued range sessions to include review, strong and weak hand drills, point shooting, distance/long range, corner drill, skill drills, and evaluation skill drills.
- Final class review, with key points based upon the students ability to function reflexively.

Instructor: Ken Hackathorn

Class dates: Jan 15-16, 2011

Cost: $450

Location: Chino, CA

Range facilities:

Prado Olympic Shooting Park
17501 Pomona Rincon Rd.
Chino, CA., 91708

Range website:
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Class size: Maximum sixteen students

Weapon & Gear Class Requirements:

- A functional handgun of reputable manufacture.
- Seasonal weather gear.
- Functional clothing & footgear.
- Knee and Elbow pads.
- Hand held flashlight(s) w/extra batteries.
- Ballistic Eye protection
- Ear protection.
- Know your weapon's zero. Expect to work as close as 3 yards and as far as 50 yards.
- Have the necessary cleaning tools and maintenance equipment/replacement parts for your weapon(s).
- Quality holster and magazine pouches. A minimum of 4 ea. 15 rd Magazines, more if you are shooting a single stack handgun.
- Minimum of 800 rounds of ammunition
- Be prepared to take notes
- Good attitude

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call the store at 910-323-GREY (4739).

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So if I have no cert from a previous class I am assed out???
I am not an expert but I am pretty damned proficient.
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What are the daily hours for this class in light of the Saturday night session?
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Hi Ramzar.

I am looking to take this class as well.

Already signed up for the Falla class in November.

It will be good to see you at a course again.
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I do not know officially what the word is but I don't think Prado supports night shoots. The classes I've taken there have been from 8am~5pm so I've been planning on that. Sun does set at 5pm during the month of January so we might get a little of low light.
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So if I have no cert from a previous class I am assed out???
I am not an expert but I am pretty damned proficient.
Email me; training@greygrouptraining.com

We can figure it out real quick over a five minute conversation.
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I do not know officially what the word is but I don't think Prado supports night shoots. The classes I've taken there have been from 8am~5pm so I've been planning on that. Sun does set at 5pm during the month of January so we might get a little of low light.
We can make special arrangement with the range to shoot till 8PM. I am trying to work out the details with the range as we speak, or type! If all arrangements can be worked out, then the night shoot would be on Saturday with a later start time.
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So, do we have a night shoot the Saturday of the class and if so what are the daily hours?
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So, do we have a night shoot the Saturday of the class and if so what are the daily hours?
What time does it start getting dark in Jan?

The class start time will be arranged so we have time for the very important low light section.

Day One:
- Introduction, followed by a lecture on tactical mental applications, legal aspects, and equipment selection.
- Late morning range drills and review of the ‘key’ advanced shooting principles.
- Lunch for 45 minutes
- Return to range for advanced approach to pistol presentation, follow through, and scanning. Turns, pivots, emergency reloads, and multiple targets. Intro to shooting on the move, and related skill drills.
- Break for Dinner until dusk, then low- light firing techniques, with flashlight and without.
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What time does it start getting dark in Jan?

The class start time will be arranged so we have time for the very important low light section.

Day One:
- Introduction, followed by a lecture on tactical mental applications, legal aspects, and equipment selection.
- Late morning range drills and review of the ‘key’ advanced shooting principles.
- Lunch for 45 minutes
- Return to range for advanced approach to pistol presentation, follow through, and scanning. Turns, pivots, emergency reloads, and multiple targets. Intro to shooting on the move, and related skill drills.
- Break for Dinner until dusk, then low- light firing techniques, with flashlight and without.
On Saturday, January 15, 2011 the sun sets at 5:07pm local time in Los Angeles.

At least a couple of hours of night shoot would be appropriate.
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That sounds about perfect. Figure on an 8 A.M. start time with the class taking a lunch break and then stopping for dinner around 4 P.M.

Then picking back up around 5 P.M. for the 2-3 hour low-light section.
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Great stuff. I'm all signed up and so is a friend from Boston, Mass. Looking forward to it.

I'll start practicing Hackathorn's "Test" & "Standards" drills. The latter below is performed by Jason Falla and I'll ask Jason for tips during his end of November class since he has completed it with a score of 298 out of 300 (highest recorded score)!




HACKATHORN TEST DRILL

10 rounds in 10 seconds from 10 yards from ready position. All shots within I believe the 5.5" black circle.



HACKATHORN STANDARDS DRILL

300 Points max. 60 Rounds total. No Make Up Shots.

Larry Vickers & Jason Falla both got a 298 on this which is the highest recorded score so far.

250+ Expert
200-249 Acceptable
Below 200 Needs Improvement

3 IPSC targets 1 meter apart and staggered medium-high-low height

5 points for an A, 3 points for a C and 2 points for a D. Entire head is 5 points. Going over time is -5 points.


#1--5 yards--1 rd on each head from draw freestyle--3 sec

#2--5 yards--1 rd on each head strong hand--4 sec

#3--5 yards--1 rd on each body strong hand--3 sec

#4--5 yards--1 rd on each body strong hand--3 sec

#5--8 yards--2 rds on left target freestyle--2 sec

#6--8 yards--2 rds on center target freestyle--2 sec

#7--8 yards--2 rds on right target freestyle--2 sec

#8--10 yards--El Presidente; start facing uprange w/6 rds in gun, turn and draw, 2 rds each target, slide lock reload, 2 rds on each target--10 seconds

#9--10 yards--weak hand pickup; gun on ground, butt to strong side, start standing, strong hand in small of back, retrieve handgun, 1 rd on each
target--5 sec

#10--12 to 8 yards--2 rds each target while moving forward from 12 yds--5 sec

#11--15 yards--transition drill; start with hands at shoulder level as if holding rifle, 1 rd on each target--4 sec

#12--20 yards--start standing; drop to prone, 2 rds on each target--10 sec

#13--25 yards--start behind barricade; 2 rds on each target standing, perform tactical reload under cover(retain/stow partial mag), 2 rds on each target kneeling--24 sec

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FYI: This class is now full.

Thank you to everyone who signed up. If you have any questions or concerns about the class please feel free to contact me.

This will be one awesome class.

Thanks,

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Glad me and friend from Boston got in on this. Looking forward to it. We ran the "Test" drill several times last week at a static range. That's 10 rounds from 10 yards in 10 seconds at a 5.5" circle. Once you get it try it one handed strong and weak. We'll practice the "Standards" drill in January just before the class.
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Default prado range currently flooded

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_16976791just found this article. hope the range is okay by the time class comes.
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Let's hope it dries out and gets cleaned up in time. After the holiday I will check and let you guys know the status.
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Paul, any word?
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I think no news is good news.

Some people were checking up on Prado range situation, and seems like the water is out of the range. I guess clean-up would not take too long.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=377285
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Looks like the range is getting better. I've just gotten word we will be good to go for the class.

It might be a little damp, but that will not hurt the class at all.

Have a great class.
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message from sarah this am. class being moved to oak tree in newhall.
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Yeah, after checking the range this morning we were forced to move the class. Prado just would not be safe or equal to a class of this stature so quickly after the flooding. We had high hopes it would dry out and clean up in time and were told it would, but obviously that did not happen fast enough.

Everyone should have received the email from Sarah. If not, please feel free to contact her; help@greygrouptraining.com

Everything else stays the same.

Oak Tree Gun Club in Newhall, CA.

* From Los Angeles or the San Fernando Valley:
o North on the I-5 over the Newhall Pass.
o Pass the Antelope Valley Freeway Turnoff (14).
o Exit the I-5 at Calgrove Blvd.
o Turn left on Calgrove (The Old Road), and continue on Calgrove (The Old Road) to the top of the grade.
o Turn right at the top of the grade, on Weldon Canyon Overpass.
o Cross the freeway and turn right on Coltrane Ave at the stop sign.
o Take Coltrane Ave past the compost facility, and Camelot Riding Club, to the end of the road where you will enter Oak Tree Gun Club.
* From Bakersfield, Castaic, Santa Clarita:
o South on I-5, past Lyons Ave/Pico Canyon turnoff.
o Exit the I-5 Freeway at Calgrove Blvd.
o Turn right on Calgrove (The Old Road), and continue on Calgrove (The Old Road) to the top of the grade.
o Turn right at the top of the grade, on Weldon Canyon Overpass.
o Cross the freeway and turn right on Coltrane Ave at the stop sign.
o Take Coltrane Ave past the compost facility, and Camelot Riding Club, to the end of the road where you will enter Oak Tree Gun Club.


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If anybody has any problems or questions please feel free to contact me.

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Look forward to reading the range reports. Ken is on my short list of instructors that I'd like to train with.
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This is the reason why I had to make a last minute change as to the range location. flood is an act of God that prevented the training from going forward at Prado.

I hate to have everyone including Ken with mud caked shoes all weekend and not to mention the sanitary concern I had with the over run of flood water and possible sewage.

We are very fortunate that instead of having to cancel we were able to find an such a great alternative venue in such short notice.

Thank you for your understanding and we look forward to a great class this weekend.
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Even though the last minute change of venue was / is a major inconvenience for many (a friend from Boston who's arriving tonight after a snow blizzard there had to change his hotel and flight) I certainly consider myself lucky that the class is actually going to be held. Would not have liked a cancellation. Thanks to Chen & Paul it's great to know that the class is on!
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SMGLee, thanks for checking the range and making appropriate change. While the new one is farther than Prado, I don't think training in such situation would be a good idea.



Besides, thanks to the gorgeous weather I was hoping to wear this.

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. . . I was hoping to wear this.

Hmmm . . . what was the cancellation policy on the class?? Or, can we at least select our placement on the shooting line . . .
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Paul, that was one badass course... I had a blast. Chen - awesome job on the range relo... Those tri-tip sandwiches for lunch were the bomb.
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Paul, that was one badass course... I had a blast. Chen - awesome job on the range relo... Those tri-tip sandwiches for lunch were the bomb.
Well stated.
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Paul, that was one badass course... I had a blast. Chen - awesome job on the range relo... Those tri-tip sandwiches for lunch were the bomb.

Someone please post pictures
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I cannot wait to read the AAR and the see the photos from this class.

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I started to write my AAR for this class last night but just too much other stuff. I'll get it done by Wednesday night before going to the SHOT Show. I'll post my AAR under the "Competition, Action Shooting And Training" forum. Suffice it to say that I was highly impressed and it was probably the best advanced handgun class I've taken so far. Ken's fluid presentation style, training experience and encyclopedic knowledge are superb.
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I started to write my AAR for this class last night but just too much other stuff. I'll get it done by Wednesday night before going to the SHOT Show. I'll post my AAR under the "Competition, Action Shooting And Training" forum. Suffice it to say that I was highly impressed and it was probably the best advanced handgun class I've taken so far. Ken's fluid presentation style, training experience and encyclopedic knowledge are superb.
Sounds awesome, someone needs to star the AAR anyway.

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Sounds awesome, someone needs to star the AAR anyway.

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Will we be getting certificates of completion for this class?

Thanks.
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Will we be getting certificates of completion for this class?

Thanks.
I was going to contact them on this also. This is a pretty standard practice so I hope it isn't an issue.
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I posted a quick & dirty AAR at:
AAR: Ken Hackathorn 2-Day Advanced Handgun - Jan 15-16, 2011 in Newhall, CA
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