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Old 08-19-2010, 11:43 AM
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Default Best ball powder for 9mm and 45acp?

I had asked something similar recently but I have decided to take this in another direction. I want to use something that will meter very well in both my RCBS and Lee presses. So, I want to go with a ball powder. Keeping this in mind I will be shooting mostly 9mm and 45acp. I want something that will make a decent target load using a mid level charge. I am even willing to consider non American made powder

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Old 08-19-2010, 11:55 AM
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Have you looked at W231? It's a popular one.
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Old 08-19-2010, 12:01 PM
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I haven't been out to try and find any powder yet but all I hear is that 231 is near impossible to obtain. I used 231 in the past and loved it. That was my favorite powder. I live in Riverside and have to keep a very tight budget so I can't make any large orders online for now. I want to be able to use up some of my old components before I have to buy anything new. I already have plenty of brass, bullets, and primers to get the job done. I just want to start out with a pound of some powder. I don't trust my 10 year old powder. I have seen some positive input about Accurate 2 and 5 but had hoped to buy American as they say. There are so few opportunities left to help my fellow Americans.

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Old 08-19-2010, 12:39 PM
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Cabela's has HP38 on sale for $17.99/1lb. You do have to pay $20 hazardous materials fee of course, which means you really should stock up and buy all you can at once to make it worthwhile.
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I have used powder over 20 ears old. If it does not have a vinegar smell it is OK
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Win-231 and HP 38 are the same powder.
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Old 08-19-2010, 1:19 PM
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I haven't dumped any of it out but is there a sign that the powder is unstable other than the smell of vinegar? I seem to recall that it might have a different look or something?
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Old 08-19-2010, 1:53 PM
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Should I dump some out on white paper to get a good look at it? I don't have the best sight in the world these days.
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Bullseye, Titegroup, Win-231 are my favorites for .45ACp and 9MM
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i like power pistol for 9, 40, and 45. but am thinking about trying some bullseye.
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Ramshot true blue is perfect for 9mm and 45acp and is a fine ball powder which meters awesome. I use it for 9,40,45,5.7x28 give it a try
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I use HP-38 and Unique.
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I've been using Bullseye and Red Dot that's over 30 years old, no problems.I'm loading 9mm, 40 S&W and 45 ACP.
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I've used both AA#2 and Power Pistol with success.
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Bullseye here for both
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I like Unique because the charges fro both the 9mm n 45 over lap so i set my powder dispensed and leave it set and it works for both rounds.
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Well after a lot of thought and research I have decided to go with HP38. It can be had for something like 25 bucks locally. I will be loading 45 exclusively to start. I figure that the cost of a box of 45 with this powder will be around a buck since I have all of the components other than powder and they were paid for years ago. So I will call the first 1000 rounds free except the powder. I really loved W231 but I can't find anybody local with it in stock and pretty much everybody says the same thing that HP38 is virtually identical to W231. I went to the range last week with a good friend and fired some of my 15 year old loads and had fantastic results. They were all loaded with W231. Once I sell my Double Eagle I will make the order from Midway and that will get me all of the press parts I need to load 45 again and I will be back in business. I really enjoy the various threads here and many of you have made if feel like a very familiar place right from the start. Thanks for all of your suggestions and input. Take care.
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Two different animals. They require two different powders. I like 231 in the 45 and 540(HS-6) in the 9mm. You could use 231 for both, but all 231 loads in the 9mm will be hot in order to cycle the gun reliably.
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For .45, when I can't get Win 231, I use Accurate #5.
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WST works fantastic on both the 45 and 9mm.
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W231, HP38, & Bullseye for 9mm & 45acp.
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I had asked something similar recently but I have decided to take this in another direction. I want to use something that will meter very well in both my RCBS and Lee presses. So, I want to go with a ball powder. Keeping this in mind I will be shooting mostly 9mm and 45acp. I want something that will make a decent target load using a mid level charge. I am even willing to consider non American made powder

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One of those calibers is going to be compromised, and you have to decide which one. I think the more forgiving is probably the 45. My vote would be Power Pistol, which is a great load in 9mm and proven effective in 45 ACP. I believe Unique is another similar performer, and loads for it are commonly listed for both calibers in more than one load recipe source.
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W231, Unique, WST, AA#5, and HP38

They also all meter great in my Dillon PM's.

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One of those calibers is going to be compromised, and you have to decide which one.
With light to medium loads I see no compromise with WST. In both calibers when given the choice, I prefer WST. It's cleaner, burns cooler, less recoil, and more volume than almost any powder mentioned in this thread so far.

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Ramshot true blue is perfect for 9mm and 45acp and is a fine ball powder which meters awesome. I use it for 9,40,45,5.7x28 give it a try
I like True Blue as well, this stuff covers a pretty good range of calibers. I can't keep enough of the stuff on the shelf when I'm at the gun shows. Been using it for the .45acp and starting to work up loads for 9mm and 40 S&W.
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