Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > FIREARMS DISCUSSIONS > Curio & Relic/Black Powder
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Curio & Relic/Black Powder Curio & Relics and Black Powder Firearms, Old School shooting fun!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-15-2010, 12:23 PM
Datamancer's Avatar
Datamancer Datamancer is offline
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Inland Empire
Posts: 615
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default Mosin-Nagant Magazine- Rough Prototype

Ok, so I finally got a chance to do some work on the mosin mag I was asking about over at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=317954.
I have a quick-and-dirty semi-working prototype, but I haven't had a chance to really tweak it yet. This version is ugly as sin, but it's just to get the internal dimensions correct and test the design. My welder kind of sucks so forgive the gloppy welds.








The spring is from a single-stack WASR-10 AK mag and is a little narrow, but seems to get the job done. I still need to tweak the new follower a little bit, but the mag "mostly works". I'll try to shoot a video once I get everything working properly.

-~D~-
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-15-2010, 12:42 PM
ZenDaddy's Avatar
ZenDaddy ZenDaddy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Rocklin Ca
Posts: 405
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

Looks to me like you might just be on an awesome track there! Great start!
__________________
ZD




"The trouble with our liberal friends isn't that they are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so..." Ronald Reagan 1964
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-15-2010, 12:44 PM
ZenDaddy's Avatar
ZenDaddy ZenDaddy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Rocklin Ca
Posts: 405
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

Let me know when I can place an order
__________________
ZD




"The trouble with our liberal friends isn't that they are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so..." Ronald Reagan 1964
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-15-2010, 12:46 PM
HuangYiChao HuangYiChao is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 300
iTrader: 15 / 100%
Default

The dirty weld makes it look even more badass. Looks like something the Russian guy in Ironman2 would make.
__________________
pewpewpew
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-15-2010, 1:12 PM
bplvr's Avatar
bplvr bplvr is offline
Senior Member
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Diego, National Socialist Democratic Republic of Facistfornia
Posts: 3,940
iTrader: 30 / 100%
Default

Anyone know what the minimum overall length of a bolt action rifle is ?
{ 16.5" barrel }
I am still trying grasp the reasoning about the lever action with a 16 round tubular fixed mag and a bolt action rifle with a 12 round fixed mag.
Seems if one is legal ,they both should be.
Looking at 12276.1{a}{2} it clearly mentions semi-auto only.
__________________
"America will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,it will be because we destroyed ourselves"

-Abraham Lincoln,1862
=======================================
"Revolution against tyranny is the most sacred of duties"
- Benjamin Franklin -1775
=======================================

Last edited by bplvr; 08-15-2010 at 1:15 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-15-2010, 1:33 PM
Cokebottle's Avatar
Cokebottle Cokebottle is offline
Guitar: The Deplorables
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Chino, CA
Posts: 25,369
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Minimum OAL is 26" for anything other than semi-auto centerfire.
__________________
-- Rich


Quote:
Originally Posted by dantodd View Post
A just gov't will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just gov't. If a minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA is our insurance against their success.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-15-2010, 1:35 PM
Vlad 11's Avatar
Vlad 11 Vlad 11 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: S.F.V.
Posts: 2,844
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

Really Cool . Ive wanted to do this for a long time.
__________________

Last edited by Vlad 11; 08-15-2010 at 4:09 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-15-2010, 1:49 PM
SixPointEight's Avatar
SixPointEight SixPointEight is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 3,535
iTrader: 29 / 100%
Default

Oh my lord. It's so ugly but so awesome at the same time...I'd buy it.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-15-2010, 1:56 PM
HskrVern's Avatar
HskrVern HskrVern is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Salina, Utah
Posts: 802
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default

Heck, I'll wait in line for one too.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-15-2010, 2:44 PM
bplvr's Avatar
bplvr bplvr is offline
Senior Member
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Diego, National Socialist Democratic Republic of Facistfornia
Posts: 3,940
iTrader: 30 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cokebottle View Post
Minimum OAL is 26" for anything other than semi-auto centerfire.
OK . I have a plan for my Franken-Mosin. A 16.5" barrel with an AKM flash hider {welded} and a Tapco folding stock. Comes to 27.0 " when folded. It has no wood at all . Just a pistol grip and a forward pistol grip .
__________________
"America will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,it will be because we destroyed ourselves"

-Abraham Lincoln,1862
=======================================
"Revolution against tyranny is the most sacred of duties"
- Benjamin Franklin -1775
=======================================
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-15-2010, 3:10 PM
Cokebottle's Avatar
Cokebottle Cokebottle is offline
Guitar: The Deplorables
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Chino, CA
Posts: 25,369
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bplvr View Post
OK . I have a plan for my Franken-Mosin. A 16.5" barrel with an AKM flash hider {welded} and a Tapco folding stock. Comes to 27.0 " when folded. It has no wood at all . Just a pistol grip and a forward pistol grip .
Careful that the forward pistol grip doesn't create an AOW.

I don't think it does, being the OAL and barrel length are good for a long rifle, but I'm not familiar with all of the AOW/DD statutes.
__________________
-- Rich


Quote:
Originally Posted by dantodd View Post
A just gov't will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just gov't. If a minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA is our insurance against their success.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-15-2010, 3:16 PM
Rekrab's Avatar
Rekrab Rekrab is offline
Valar Dohaeris
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Long Beach
Posts: 5,552
iTrader: 26 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cokebottle View Post
Careful that the forward pistol grip doesn't create an AOW.

I don't think it does, being the OAL and barrel length are good for a long rifle, but I'm not familiar with all of the AOW/DD statutes.
Reasonably certain it wouldn't trigger AOW because it's still a rifle. The folding stock is good to go because he meets the overall length requirements.

Still, can't imagine what that thing would be like to shoot folded. o.O
__________________
Beretta PX4 Storm .40 S&W (Round Count 3,050) | Yugo M72 | AMD Pistol | Romy M44

WTS:Yugo M72
WTS: AMD Pistol
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-15-2010, 3:16 PM
ChrisTKHarris's Avatar
ChrisTKHarris ChrisTKHarris is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 4,218
iTrader: 35 / 97%
Default

I'd buy one.
__________________
Don't let the name fool you...
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-15-2010, 3:22 PM
Cokebottle's Avatar
Cokebottle Cokebottle is offline
Guitar: The Deplorables
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Chino, CA
Posts: 25,369
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rekrab View Post
Still, can't imagine what that thing would be like to shoot folded. o.O
Ouch.
__________________
-- Rich


Quote:
Originally Posted by dantodd View Post
A just gov't will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just gov't. If a minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA is our insurance against their success.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-15-2010, 4:12 PM
Datamancer's Avatar
Datamancer Datamancer is offline
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Inland Empire
Posts: 615
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Thanks everyone. Glad you like it. As I said, this is just to get the rough inner dimensions, then I'll probably be making a more polished version. Hell, if it works well enough, maybe I'll get a batch made for me somewhere and sell 'em off.

Some of you might have missed the sentence at the bottom of the original post. The spring and follower are from a WASR-10 AK magazine which is a 7.62x39 mag. I extended the follower and put an L-bend in the front to try and keep it from buckling. The spring is a little narrow (width-wise) so it tends to have a strange arc to it when semi-uncompressed, but I'm hoping to combat that with the follower design to even-out the upward force.

I tried to do a feed test at the range today, but I got booted for having steel-core ammo before I got the chance to do anything with it. I did grab a few of my empties though which I'll make into some dummy rounds to experiment with.

-~D~-
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-15-2010, 4:18 PM
nick nick is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 18,271
iTrader: 141 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bplvr View Post
OK . I have a plan for my Franken-Mosin. A 16.5" barrel with an AKM flash hider {welded} and a Tapco folding stock. Comes to 27.0 " when folded. It has no wood at all . Just a pistol grip and a forward pistol grip .
Flash HIDER on a Mosin??? Sacrilege!
__________________
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson
"Thou shalt not interfere with the Second Amendment rights of "law-abiding" citizens who want AK-47s only to protect hearth and home." - Paul Helmke finally gets it :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by SJgunguy24 View Post
Some people are so open minded, their brains have fallen out.


WTB: Saiga .223 bolt; HK G3 bolt; Chinese AK pistol grips; milled AK cut receiver pieces and stubs.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 08-15-2010, 5:19 PM
bplvr's Avatar
bplvr bplvr is offline
Senior Member
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Diego, National Socialist Democratic Republic of Facistfornia
Posts: 3,940
iTrader: 30 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nick View Post
Flash HIDER on a Mosin??? Sacrilege!
The AKM still shoots flash forward but also shoots @ 9:00/12:00/and 3:00

.
.
I'll need one of those 10 round mags too. Interesting project.
__________________
"America will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,it will be because we destroyed ourselves"

-Abraham Lincoln,1862
=======================================
"Revolution against tyranny is the most sacred of duties"
- Benjamin Franklin -1775
=======================================
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 08-15-2010, 5:26 PM
ZenDaddy's Avatar
ZenDaddy ZenDaddy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Rocklin Ca
Posts: 405
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

I was first in line! DIBS on first right!
Is there going to be a 10 round stripper clip too?
__________________
ZD




"The trouble with our liberal friends isn't that they are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so..." Ronald Reagan 1964
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 08-15-2010, 5:36 PM
Jarhead Jarhead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,292
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

looks like something out of Mad Max
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 08-15-2010, 6:09 PM
Datamancer's Avatar
Datamancer Datamancer is offline
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Inland Empire
Posts: 615
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenDaddy View Post
Is there going to be a 10 round stripper clip too?
Now that's a good idea!

I'll see what I can do. Shouldn't be too hard to tack weld 2 of them together on low temp.

-~D~-
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 08-15-2010, 6:27 PM
bplvr's Avatar
bplvr bplvr is offline
Senior Member
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Diego, National Socialist Democratic Republic of Facistfornia
Posts: 3,940
iTrader: 30 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Datamancer View Post
Now that's a good idea!

I'll see what I can do. Shouldn't be too hard to tack weld 2 of them together on low temp.

-~D~-
I have a whole bunch of real European ones to sell @ $1.50 ea. They are not the mis-bent chi-com ones,but real spring steel.
__________________
"America will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,it will be because we destroyed ourselves"

-Abraham Lincoln,1862
=======================================
"Revolution against tyranny is the most sacred of duties"
- Benjamin Franklin -1775
=======================================
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 08-15-2010, 6:31 PM
Double_D's Avatar
Double_D Double_D is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Davis, CA
Posts: 764
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

i wanna see a video of this in action
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 08-15-2010, 6:42 PM
pullnshoot25 pullnshoot25 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Diego, KA area
Posts: 8,073
iTrader: 17 / 100%
Default

This thread is full of win. Rad project dude, that is just too badass for words! I would definitely use one of those for one of my Mosins!

AW rules do not apply to bolt actions, have all the evil features you want.

Also, 10rd stripper clips would be kinda weird since it wouldn't fit in the standard pouch AND it would probably be very awkward to use. I think 2x 5rd stripper clips would work better.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 08-15-2010, 7:00 PM
ZenDaddy's Avatar
ZenDaddy ZenDaddy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Rocklin Ca
Posts: 405
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pullnshoot25 View Post
This thread is full of win. Rad project dude, that is just too badass for words! I would definitely use one of those for one of my Mosins! AW rules do not apply to bolt actions, have all the evil features you want. Also, 10rd stripper clips would be kinda weird since it wouldn't fit in the standard pouch AND it would probably be very awkward to use. I think 2x 5rd stripper clips would work better.
How about a pneumatic ram driven autostacking autoloader power stripper slamming 10 rounds into the "Mad Mag" in .7 seconds?

(custom pouch!)
__________________
ZD




"The trouble with our liberal friends isn't that they are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so..." Ronald Reagan 1964
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 08-15-2010, 7:43 PM
ZenDaddy's Avatar
ZenDaddy ZenDaddy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Rocklin Ca
Posts: 405
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nick View Post
Flash HIDER on a Mosin??? Sacrilege!
How about a flash enhancer!! A little blast of propane with each shot?
__________________
ZD




"The trouble with our liberal friends isn't that they are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so..." Ronald Reagan 1964
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 08-15-2010, 7:48 PM
Pthfndr's Avatar
Pthfndr Pthfndr is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Sierra Nevada Mtns. Near Tahoe
Posts: 3,690
iTrader: 26 / 100%
Default

That's pretty cool. Keep us updated.
__________________
Rob Thomas - Match Director NCPPRC Tactical Long Range Match

Match Director Sac Valley Vintage Military Rifle Long Range Match
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 08-15-2010, 7:49 PM
Scratch705's Avatar
Scratch705 Scratch705 is online now
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: SoCal
Posts: 8,749
iTrader: 15 / 100%
Default

just wondering, how would the spring/follower out of a SVT work? or even just spare mosin springs, cut the follower off one and just weld them together?

or a .308 magazine spring? wouldn't that be more closer to the x54r size and give more equal upforce?
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 08-15-2010, 7:54 PM
Bhobbs's Avatar
Bhobbs Bhobbs is online now
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Chino CA
Posts: 10,566
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

I think you should finish the rifle in a rusty look and keep the franken mag.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 08-15-2010, 7:59 PM
pullnshoot25 pullnshoot25 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Diego, KA area
Posts: 8,073
iTrader: 17 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenDaddy View Post
How about a pneumatic ram driven autostacking autoloader power stripper slamming 10 rounds into the "Mad Mag" in .7 seconds?

(custom pouch!)
You have just elevated this to "Tim the Tool Man Taylor" status.

I love it
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 08-15-2010, 8:01 PM
pullnshoot25 pullnshoot25 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Diego, KA area
Posts: 8,073
iTrader: 17 / 100%
Default

Also, just a pointer... if you can figure out how to modify the magazines like the "HV" marked mags on the Finnish M28/30 and M39 magazines, you will be even more golden!
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 08-15-2010, 8:40 PM
Datamancer's Avatar
Datamancer Datamancer is offline
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Inland Empire
Posts: 615
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scratch705 View Post
just wondering, how would the spring/follower out of a SVT work? or even just spare mosin springs, cut the follower off one and just weld them together?

or a .308 magazine spring? wouldn't that be more closer to the x54r size and give more equal upforce?
I don't think that would work because the mag is double-stacked, so the spring is double-wide as well. "Roughneck" here on the forum actually sent me a PSL mag to dissect but I ran into the same problem. I tried to rework the radius of the spring but small rust pits in the spring kept causing pieces to snap off so I ditched that plan and went looking for a single-stack.

I also considered the double-stacked mosin follower idea, but the angles were all wrong, plus I'd have to strengthen the flatsprings to lift twice the weight, which means routing out all the teeny little locking grooves in the lifter arms, etc which would be a total P.I.T.A.

A single-stack 308 mag is a good idea and might work because it's basically a 7.62x51. As a backup in case mine doesn't work, any idea which 308 mags would be a good fit? Needs to be 10 rounds deep and single-stack.

-~D~-
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 08-15-2010, 9:56 PM
emcon5's Avatar
emcon5 emcon5 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Reno
Posts: 2,968
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

The only .308 single stack removable magazine I can think of was the Remington 788, which won't help because they were only 3 rounds.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 08-15-2010, 9:59 PM
bplvr's Avatar
bplvr bplvr is offline
Senior Member
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Diego, National Socialist Democratic Republic of Facistfornia
Posts: 3,940
iTrader: 30 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Datamancer View Post
I don't think that would work because the mag is double-stacked, so the spring is double-wide as well. "Roughneck" here on the forum actually sent me a PSL mag to dissect but I ran into the same problem. I tried to rework the radius of the spring but small rust pits in the spring kept causing pieces to snap off so I ditched that plan and went looking for a single-stack.

I also considered the double-stacked mosin follower idea, but the angles were all wrong, plus I'd have to strengthen the flatsprings to lift twice the weight, which means routing out all the teeny little locking grooves in the lifter arms, etc which would be a total P.I.T.A.

A single-stack 308 mag is a good idea and might work because it's basically a 7.62x51. As a backup in case mine doesn't work, any idea which 308 mags would be a good fit? Needs to be 10 rounds deep and single-stack.

-~D~-
.
.
Why not put plates inside the mag to imitate a single stack and bend a new spring from flat spring steel? It might help to design the mag body extra long and just block it to 10 rounds .Spring stock is easy to work with.Bend it as you like {extra long} ,heat it up to cherry red and toss it in 30 wt. oil. That will get it to 28-30 RC . Cut to fit with a dremel tool. Add the block.
.
.
__________________
"America will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,it will be because we destroyed ourselves"

-Abraham Lincoln,1862
=======================================
"Revolution against tyranny is the most sacred of duties"
- Benjamin Franklin -1775
=======================================

Last edited by bplvr; 08-15-2010 at 10:08 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 08-15-2010, 11:21 PM
FS00008's Avatar
FS00008 FS00008 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Purcellville, Virginia
Posts: 1,980
iTrader: 26 / 100%
Default

Tell me when I can order 10 or 20 of them :-D
__________________
"No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as
legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer."
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 08-15-2010, 11:44 PM
InFamous20's Avatar
InFamous20 InFamous20 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 2,994
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

Dude, thats badass!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 08-16-2010, 4:37 AM
Quiet's Avatar
Quiet Quiet is offline
short bus driver
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: the 909
Posts: 19,227
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bplvr View Post
I am still trying grasp the reasoning about the lever action with a 16 round tubular fixed mag and a bolt action rifle with a 12 round fixed mag.
Seems if one is legal ,they both should be.
Looking at 12276.1{a}{2} it clearly mentions semi-auto only.
Look at the large capacity magazine laws, not the assault weapon laws.

The lever-action with a 16 round tubular magazine is legal to sell in CA, because tubular magazines on lever-action firearms are exempt from the large capacity magazine law [PC 12020(c)(25)(C)].

A 12 round fixed magazine on a bolt-action rifle is not legal to sell in CA, because the 12 round fixed magazine is a large capacity magazine and can not be sold/offered for sale/imported/manufactured in CA. However, if it's .22 calibered, then it would be exempt [PC 12020(c)(25)(B)] and be legal for sale.



Penal Code 12020
(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.
(c)(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
__________________


"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 08-16-2010, 10:31 AM
bplvr's Avatar
bplvr bplvr is offline
Senior Member
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Diego, National Socialist Democratic Republic of Facistfornia
Posts: 3,940
iTrader: 30 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet View Post
Look at the large capacity magazine laws, not the assault weapon laws.

The lever-action with a 16 round tubular magazine is legal to sell in CA, because tubular magazines on lever-action firearms are exempt from the large capacity magazine law [PC 12020(c)(25)(C)].

A 12 round fixed magazine on a bolt-action rifle is not legal to sell in CA, because the 12 round fixed magazine is a large capacity magazine and can not be sold/offered for sale/imported/manufactured in CA. However, if it's .22 calibered, then it would be exempt [PC 12020(c)(25)(B)] and be legal for sale.



Penal Code 12020
(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.
(c)(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
================================================== ======

Thank you for the penal code reference.

This state IS NUTS !!
.
__________________
"America will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,it will be because we destroyed ourselves"

-Abraham Lincoln,1862
=======================================
"Revolution against tyranny is the most sacred of duties"
- Benjamin Franklin -1775
=======================================

Last edited by bplvr; 08-16-2010 at 10:33 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 08-16-2010, 6:38 PM
Scratch705's Avatar
Scratch705 Scratch705 is online now
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: SoCal
Posts: 8,749
iTrader: 15 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Datamancer View Post

A single-stack 308 mag is a good idea and might work because it's basically a 7.62x51. As a backup in case mine doesn't work, any idea which 308 mags would be a good fit? Needs to be 10 rounds deep and single-stack.

-~D~-

i have no idea.... google search brings nothing, and i don't know enough guns out there to know.

Last edited by Scratch705; 08-16-2010 at 8:31 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 08-16-2010, 6:42 PM
ChrisTKHarris's Avatar
ChrisTKHarris ChrisTKHarris is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 4,218
iTrader: 35 / 97%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenDaddy View Post
How about a pneumatic ram driven autostacking autoloader power stripper slamming 10 rounds into the "Mad Mag" in .7 seconds?

(custom pouch!)
__________________
Don't let the name fool you...
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 08-16-2010, 8:21 PM
emcon5's Avatar
emcon5 emcon5 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Reno
Posts: 2,968
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scratch705 View Post
although the enfield's did use a 10 round internal box magazine that is single stack and with the .303 caliber it is close enough in size to handle the weight? although i dunno how easy it is to get spare enfield magazine springs since that is a C&R gun.
Really? Which Enfield? SMLE was double stack.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 3:45 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2016, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.