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Old 07-29-2010, 5:57 PM
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Red face .308 bolt action muzzle brake??

i have seen some nice bolt action rifles on here and was wondering what types of muzzle brakes are available?? i picked up a great deal on a Remington 700 LTR with a Khales mil dot scope. shot it last weekend, and man it hits hard....harder than my M14...but at anyrate, i would like to tame it a bit...thoughts??
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Has your husband tried it?

Seriously, .308 should not need a loudener

I'd go with a sissy pad first
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i've seen brakes on 6mm PPC rifles... i guess recoil is in the eye of the beholder.
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Badger Thruster is the way to go. Get a break if you want to shoot better, a pad will do you no good/difference. Been there done that.

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how bout TTE ?
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Has your husband tried it?

Seriously, .308 should not need a loudener

I'd go with a sissy pad first
I'll stick with reducing the rifle's movement during recoil so I can spot my own shots.
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There's not much need for a muzzlebrake on a hunting rifle, where you won't be taking many shots. But recoil is cumulative and in the course of a match, recoil can begin to wear on you, affecting your shooting. Also, it's nice to be able to spot your own shots through the scope.
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Did you step on your tampon string while firing? If you want to feel some recoil I have a 9.3x62 in a nice 7 pound cz550. You won't think the 308 recoil is bad after letting a few of those 286gr bullets head down range.
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Did you step on your tampon string while firing? If you want to feel some recoil I have a 9.3x62 in a nice 7 pound cz550. You won't think the 308 recoil is bad after letting a few of those 286gr bullets head down range.
I have the same rifle, CZ may be great at alot of things but recoil pads ain't one of them. That carbine does dish out the recoil.

Anyway, regarding the 308 recoil pad, I have an FN SPR that I tend to put alot of rounds through and have an Ops Inc brake on the thing. Works fine I guess. Muzzle tends to jump less and helps me keep the scope on target when killing steel animals at fair distances.
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Seriously, .308 should not need a loudener

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Did you step on your tampon string while firing? If you want to feel some recoil I have a 9.3x62 in a nice 7 pound cz550. You won't think the 308 recoil is bad after letting a few of those 286gr bullets head down range.

you guys are clowns.....so what if i stepped on my tampon???

i would like to view my own shots through my scope and not have to readjust my position for a second shot thank you...
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There's not much need for a muzzlebrake on a hunting rifle, where you won't be taking many shots. But recoil is cumulative and in the course of a match, recoil can begin to wear on you, affecting your shooting. Also, it's nice to be able to spot your own shots through the scope.
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Getting a natural point of aim directly behind the rifle in the prone position with correct follow through and loading the bipod will allow you to spot your own shots without the muzzle break on a 308.
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Seriously, .308 should not need a loudener

I'd go with a sissy pad first

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Not directed to the OP but msany people need brakes or upgraded pads for various reasons. Age, handicaps, injuries, and conditions etc. No need to be macho.
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Skkeeter on here has a 700LTR with a cut down barrel to around 18" or so with a muzzle brake that REALLY works well. I got to fire a few rounds out of it and it was VERY tame. I couldn't believe how soft it shoots after a brake installed. I also shot a 700vtr that has the factory 2 or 3 ports at the top of the triangular barrel and it had a lot more recoil than the shorter barreled LTR. You may want to PM him for info on what brake he bought.

Totally understand on the brake too, why endure a bruised shoulder if you don't HAVE to. If you're going to take it out and go through 40-60 rounds in an afternoon or shoot multiple calibers, go for the brake. If its a hunting rifle and you're only shooting 10-20 rounds in a season, I'd leave it alone.
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Looked like this which is a "Holland" brake.
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I went with a Vias break on my .300wm Sendero and have been pleased with the recoil reduction. There is very little increase in noise and it can easily be removed for cleaning or replaced with a thread protector. Total cost was just under $250.


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Getting a natural point of aim directly behind the rifle in the prone position with correct follow through and loading the bipod will allow you to spot your own shots without the muzzle break on a 308.
sounds good on paper, but unfortunately, this is not possible at my local range...
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Skkeeter on here has a 700LTR with a cut down barrel to around 18" or so with a muzzle brake that REALLY works well. I got to fire a few rounds out of it and it was VERY tame. I couldn't believe how soft it shoots after a brake installed. I also shot a 700vtr that has the factory 2 or 3 ports at the top of the triangular barrel and it had a lot more recoil than the shorter barreled LTR. You may want to PM him for info on what brake he bought.

Totally understand on the brake too, why endure a bruised shoulder if you don't HAVE to. If you're going to take it out and go through 40-60 rounds in an afternoon or shoot multiple calibers, go for the brake. If its a hunting rifle and you're only shooting 10-20 rounds in a season, I'd leave it alone.
what ammo were you shooting through it?? the 147s seem a little easier on the rifle, unlike the Gold Match 168s which were a little heavier hitting. just seemed more violent on the other end.

i just dont like the fact i have to search for the target again after my shot is taken. would like to be able to view the target in a reasonable amount of time to get a second shot off before the wind picked up again....

thank you for the pics and references.
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Can well understand the OPs question and desire. I've owned and shot a lot of rifles and zero rifles as a service at the range so recoil is not a stranger to me, nor a concern either. The LTR is notorious for muzzle flip and bipod hop making staying in your scope through recoil an exercise unto itself and with the hop its almost always necessary to readjust no matter how good a position or how much you load the bipod.

All this said look seriously at the Badger Thruster. My comp rifle (a 308) has worn one for six years and it dampens even the worst flip and hop tendencies..
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Has your husband tried it?

Seriously, .308 should not need a loudener

I'd go with a sissy pad first
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But seriously, it's his rifle dude. Let him do what he wants. We're not here to hate on fellow gun owners for their tastes. We have enough enemies as it is. I don't like recoil either. I like to shoot because I like to hit the target, not because I have some need to feel recoil.
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LOL

But seriously, it's his rifle dude. Let him do what he wants. We're not here to hate on fellow gun owners for their tastes. We have enough enemies as it is. I don't like recoil either. I like to shoot because I like to hit the target, not because I have some need to feel recoil.
Nobodies hating, just ribbing. I think OP sees it that way.

If he wants to be Marty McMuzzlebrake, he should.

note: I use a sissy pad when I shoot my model 92 .44 mag, because that metal crescent butt-plate digs holes in my shoulder.
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sounds good on paper, but unfortunately, this is not possible at my local range...
Your range does not allow prone shooting?
Is it indoors or something?
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I like to shoot because I like to hit the target, not because I have some need to feel recoil.
You may be surprised to learn that a LOT of people just like to feel recoil.
You will see them at the range all the time, standing up and completely missing their 50yd target frames...
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what ammo were you shooting through it?? the 147s seem a little easier on the rifle, unlike the Gold Match 168s which were a little heavier hitting. just seemed more violent on the other end.

i just dont like the fact i have to search for the target again after my shot is taken. would like to be able to view the target in a reasonable amount of time to get a second shot off before the wind picked up again....

thank you for the pics and references.
They were his handloads that he was working on so I'm not sure but I'll bet he would. You could likely spot your own shots with that brake and some practice.
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Is it indoors or something?

they have tables set up for long range.......i havent seen anyone shoot prone, i guess i would have to ask if i may shoot prone instead of on table tops. it is outdoors.
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They were his handloads that he was working on so I'm not sure but I'll bet he would. You could likely spot your own shots with that brake and some practice.
thanks Bomber......i just may look at getting that one....

Randall,

thanks for chiming in. what are your service prices?? turn around times?? its a Remy 700 LTR 20"...
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Shoot more, or bigger.

308 is the second from the right, you get used to it quickly.
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man.....you guys are rough.....

its NOT ABOUT GETTING USED TO IT, its about being able to see my shot and follow quickly...making adjustments fast. i cant get used to it in 20 rounds. i will obviously have to upwards of 500 rounds effectively....just to "get used to it"....sheesh.....
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Meh, I shoot mostly .223 and I have a 6mmBr in a pretty heavy gun for my long range stuff. I have shot a few .308 bolt guns and I don't care for it. Its not painful by any means but its not something I want to do for fun. like others have said I got spoiled watching my hits through the scope.

I will say that if this is just a range gun and you don't need to carry it far I would try adding some weight to the stock. some of the guys at the long range match I used to shoot would get a cheap plastic choate stock and fill it with lead so the gun weighed 25 lbs or so. would then shoot it free recoil. didn't kick much at all. breaks are loud and I try to avoid them if possible. I do have on my ar though.
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Whats the most effective brake you've ever used. I'm contemplating JP tank brake on my next build. I don't care how ugly it is, if it works, it works.
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thanks for chiming in. what are your service prices?? turn around times?? its a Remy 700 LTR 20"...
I only do these jobs on a walk-in basis.
If you pull the scope and mount off and take the action out of the stock, it's around $100 to fit whatever brake you bring along with you.
It's about a 90 minute job while-u-wait.
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That's the most effective brake you can get.
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The Surefire brake on my Kimber and Remington Custom shop rifles make shooting 308s more fun because they slow down the cumulative brain damage that firing all centerfire rifles eventually causes.
Proof of this brain damage?
The posts of those who call you a sissy for not wanting PAIN removed from the range session. The more pleasant it is to shoot your gun, the more you'll shoot.

I did a roundup of 416 rifles for GUNS magazine about 15 years ago and got letters from morons who took me to task for pointing out that the recoil sensation of the padless M700 Remington in 416 Rem. caliber was worse than the heavier guns with thicker recoil pads and even the ported 416 Weatherby.

One fellow even included a photo of himself at the bench firing his magnum rifle in a tee shirt and saying how that made him more of a man than me. I could tell he was, because he wasn't even wearing ear protection.

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Mel at SniperCentral recently started offering optional barrel porting on his rifle packages.

http://www.snipercentral.com/rementrypack.phtml (scroll to bottom)

It seems like an interesting alternative to screw-on muzzle brakes, though probably not as effective as other designs and perhaps tougher to clean.
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-well if its about recoil, what about the mercury buffer tubes in the stock? do they function well?
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We will win. We are right. We will never stop fighting.
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They don't believe it's possible, but then Alison didn't believe there'd be 350K - 400K OLLs in CA either.
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Our fate is ours alone to decide as long as we remain armed heavily enough to dictate it.
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