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Old 07-28-2010, 12:22 PM
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Default 30 Day Wait NOT exempt for NEW handguns with 03FFL C&R and CA DOJ COE?

Hello guys, I tried to search this first to see if perhaps I could get a definite answer but alas it all seems to contradict my phone call to the CA DOJ Firearms General Questions hotline and from my local Turners Outdoorsman.

I'm currently awaiting my C&R and COE which should come within a few weeks hopefully, and while I'm more than happy to reap the many benefits that come with it I was disappointed to hear from both a manager at Turners AND the CA DOJ telling me that I am not exempt from the 30-day handgun wait unless it is a C&R handgun ONLY. I specifically asked the CA DOJ if it will work on new handguns, I received a solid no. This kinda sucks because I have a couple handguns I'm waiting on till well into September.

The Turners manager I spoke to was helpful and seemed conflicted himself as he says he wasn't quite 100% sure (but he did say that the 30-day wait exempt info from Calguns specifically is a myth ), but the CA DOJ call was definitely discouraging, and it contradicts what I've been reading here from recent threads on this board. Can anyone help me out?

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Old 07-28-2010, 1:25 PM
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You're an 07?

Just take them into inventory.
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You're an 07?

Just take them into inventory.
Sorry, could you clarify? I'm fairly new and haven't officially received my papers yet (ATF did charge my card and is pending), so fairly new although trying to educate myself as best as possible.
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From your thread title, it sounds as if you have a type 07 FFL. That's a manufacturers license. You can accept a gun into inventory. Dealers can ship guns directly to you if you're an 07.

If you're just talking about the C&R FFL, that's a type 03, and is only for collecting curios and relics. Except for certain firearms, you can't have stuff shipped to you or just take guns into inventory.

To bypass the 1-in-30 requirement in CA you will need an 03FFL + COE.
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oh WHOOOPS, sorry I mean 03 FFL C&R. Sorry about that. How do I change the title of this thread?
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To bypass the 1-in-30 requirement in CA you will need an 03FFL + COE.
That's what I was understanding too from reading on Calguns. But like my first post stated, a call to the CA DOJ's Firearms general hotline (after being suggested to do so by a manager at Turners Outdoorsman, who didn't know exactly himself) resulted in a very clear "NO" answer for new handguns being exempt from the 30 day rule with 03FFL C&R and COE.
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That's what I was understanding too from reading on Calguns. But like my first post stated, a call to the CA DOJ's Firearms general hotline (after being suggested to do so by a manager at Turners Outdoorsman, who didn't know exactly himself) resulted in a very clear "NO" answer for new handguns being exempt from the 30 day rule with 03FFL C&R and COE.
The DOJ doesn't really know anything.

You're exempt.

But the dealer needs to know what to do when actually processing the sale, because they need to get a copy of your FFL and COE and input the exemption into the DROS.

If they don't do that, subsequent purchases in the 30-day period will trigger a denial from the DoJ.
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This is from the AG's office website

I am a collector of firearms and I want to purchase a pair of consecutively-numbered pistols. Does the one-handgun-per-30-day restriction apply?

No. If you possess a valid federal Curio Relics Collector's license and a valid California Certificate of Eligibility, you are exempt from the one-handgun-per-30-day restriction.

(PC section 12072(a)(9)(x))


http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php#23

Here is the relevant penal code. I see no reference that the 1 in 30 requirement exemption (C&R plus COE) only applies to certain types of handguns.

Relevant Penal Code Reference:

9) (A) No person shall make an application to purchase more than
one handgun within any 30-day period.
(B) Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to any of the following:

(other exemptions, C&R and COE reference below)

(ix) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter
44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States
Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto and who has a
current certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the
Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12071.
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Ah, much thanks. If I may ask one last piece of advice/favor concerning having to specifically input the exemption into the DROS, what language/words would you use to the person handling the DROS behind the counter? Basically what would you say in your exact words?

I ask this as I'm reluctant to annoy/aggravate gun store employees who (don't blame em to be honest considering how many questions they get whenever I'm just browsing about) are reluctant about the C&R + COE process to begin with.
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DOJ is full of idiots and bullies. They like to make crap up as they go instead of looking the law up and following it.
You are exempt, as I am. Now if I had the money to exercise that exemption.
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Everyone is exempt from a 30-day wait, but not the 15-day wait.

It sounds like what you are referring to is the 30-day *limit* for handguns. I bet if you use the right terminology, you will get the correct answer from DOJ.
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Everyone is exempt from a 30-day wait, but not the 15-day wait.

It sounds like what you are referring to is the 30-day *limit* for handguns. I bet if you use the right terminology, you will get the correct answer from DOJ.
Whoa, what 15 day wait??

And no, not everyone is exempt from a "30 day wait". Someone like myself can only purchase one handgun every 30 24 hour periods per the beginning of my previous DROS. Unless you have an exemption.

ETA: When I say 1 handgun, I meant new... obviously, as I said, there are exemptions...
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Everyone is exempt from a 30-day wait, but not the 15-day wait.

It sounds like what you are referring to is the 30-day *limit* for handguns. I bet if you use the right terminology, you will get the correct answer from DOJ.
15 day?

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Everyone is exempt from a 30-day wait, but not the 15-day wait.

It sounds like what you are referring to is the 30-day *limit* for handguns. I bet if you use the right terminology, you will get the correct answer from DOJ.
First their is no "15 day" wait. It is by law 10 24hr periods. Some shops make you wait 11 days, but that is company policy not the law.

Their is no "30 day limit". You can purchase as many handguns as you want at any given time depending on your budget. You can only DROS 1 NEW(from dealer stock which will include used Hguns bought by dealer for resale) handgun every 30 24hr periods, unless you have an 03FFL and a COE. In that case you are exempt from this as well. You can dros as many PPT's as you like.
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It sounds like what you are referring to is the 30-day *limit* for handguns. I bet if you use the right terminology, you will get the correct answer from DOJ.
15 day wait.....wow is that Clinton era if I ever heard it.

The 30 day limit is 1 handgun purchase from dealer stock. PPT's, consignments, C&R's, inter-familial, LEO's, and 03FFL+COE are all exempt from the 1 in 30 rule.
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Ah, much thanks. If I may ask one last piece of advice/favor concerning having to specifically input the exemption into the DROS, what language/words would you use to the person handling the DROS behind the counter? Basically what would you say in your exact words?

I ask this as I'm reluctant to annoy/aggravate gun store employees who (don't blame em to be honest considering how many questions they get whenever I'm just browsing about) are reluctant about the C&R + COE process to begin with.
When they enter the information into the DROS computer, they need to specify the "Collector" exemption. I believe it is towards the top, but I'm not 100% on that. It is a pull down menu and they just have to select it.

They can additionally type in "C&R + COE" on the memo/notes line(the only spot they can add additional info), but this is not required, just helpful.

You'll need to leave a signed copy of your C&R and a copy of your COE with them to keep with their packet in case they get audited.

Convincing the store that it is legal to do this is the hardest part of the process. The DoJ knows it's legal and the DROS goes through fine. It's the DoJ drones on the phone that spread FUD that really cause problems, as you have discovered.

Oh, to change the subject line of this thread, edit your first post and then hit "Go Advanced" to expose the subject line.
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When they enter the information into the DROS computer, they need to specify the "Collector" exemption. I believe it is towards the top, but I'm not 100% on that. It is a pull down menu and they just have to select it.

They can additionally type in "C&R + COE" on the memo/notes line(the only spot they can add additional info), but this is not required, just helpful.

You'll need to leave a signed copy of your C&R and a copy of your COE with them to keep with their packet in case they get audited.

Convincing the store that it is legal to do this is the hardest part of the process. The DoJ knows it's legal and the DROS goes through fine. It's the DoJ drones on the phone that spread FUD that really cause problems, as you have discovered.

Oh, to change the subject line of this thread, edit your first post and then hit "Go Advanced" to expose the subject line.
Thanks, I appreciate the help. The phone call really was problematic for me, as the lady I talked to was quoting penal codes to me saying that I couldn't be exempt from the 30-day wait. I don't think the store will be a prob, as the manager there seemed to be pretty helpful. This particular Turners I go to is pretty darn friendly to me.
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Thanks, I appreciate the help. The phone call really was problematic for me, as the lady I talked to was quoting penal codes to me saying that I couldn't be exempt from the 30-day wait. I don't think the store will be a prob, as the manager there seemed to be pretty helpful. This particular Turners I go to is pretty darn friendly to me.
I bet if you asked that lady if you were exempt from the waiting period for all C&R guns she would give you the wrong answer on that one too.
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Thanks, I appreciate the help. The phone call really was problematic for me, as the lady I talked to was quoting penal codes to me saying that I couldn't be exempt from the 30-day wait.
Don't feel bad. I know someone who works dor DOJ BOF and they told me, per their supervisor, that you can only legally purchase one longgun per 30 24 hour periods. The three people you really can't trust regarding gun laws/advice-people who work for DOJ, LEO, and people at gun stores. Oh well, that's what CGN is for, to dispell the FUD!
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I'm one of the managers at Turners in W. Covina. With the COE you ARE exempt from the 30 rationing period. I had this exact encounter and a few phone calls later, it was all cleared up. Just be sure to bring your COE so it can be photocopied and included in your packet. It should be DROSd with a 30DAY Multi. Exemption.
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I'm one of the managers at Turners in W. Covina. With the COE you ARE exempt from the 30 rationing period. I had this exact encounter and a few phone calls later, it was all cleared up. Just be sure to bring your COE so it can be photocopied and included in your packet. It should be DROSd with a 30DAY Multi. Exemption.
Just to clarify, if you have an FFL03 (C&R) and COE, you are exempted from the one-new-handgun-per-30-days restriction. A COE on its own does not exempt you from it.

A copy of the FFL03 and COE will need to be given to the FFL for filing with your DROS paperwork.
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