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Old 07-05-2010, 12:26 AM
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Oh ****, Red Dawn but the Chinese instead of the Ruskies!
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Members and officers of USAFVR are required:
Pledging their allegiance to the United States Flag
Must be at least of 18 years old
Must be a US citizen or a permanent resident
No felony conviction

Pledging allegiance to the "flag" not the United States... gotta love it.
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Wouldn't surprise me... their number is a 626.
What area is the 40th from Capo?
The 40th is like CA's main NG unit if you want to put it that way. You've got the 40th infantry division which is headquartered out of Los Alamitos, where you will find a lot of those unit patches. You'll also see those patches up at HQ in Sacramento, and lots of other places. We also wear that same patch in the CSMR, except we have a little CA under the sunburst bear. Then again, ours is real, and sanctioned...which is why this one irks me.
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When yall find out whether these guys are legit or not, please let me know. Ive always wanted to rip the stars off and beeatch slap a "general".
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Old 07-05-2010, 8:47 AM
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When yall find out whether these guys are legit or not, please let me know. Ive always wanted to rip the stars off and beeatch slap a "general".
It seems that non of the members in USAFVR are actual actual service members. When I called them yesterday they were caught totally off-guard to explain anything about their group, and the last person I talked to said that NG members "train" them, and that they are a "hobby" group. I am waiting for a call back from them today.
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When yall find out whether these guys are legit or not, please let me know. Ive always wanted to rip the stars off and beeatch slap a "general".
I'll be standing there to deliver a swift backhand as well.
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they are a "hobby" group.
A hobby group? Wearing the uniform that men sweat and bleed to have the honor of wearing? I am totally down with civilian organizations having close relationships with the military, but this is too far. It's not like it's ROTC, they are wearing our uniforms and patches.
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Those are the tactical patrol that buy tactical guns ,tactical watches, tactical knifes, tactical backpacks and tactical ect.
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Those are the tactical patrol that buy tactical guns ,tactical watches, tactical knifes, tactical backpacks and tactical ect.
So you're saying this group has ties with arfcom?
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Hahaha Asian invasion..
Why you guys don't call them up and complaint about it or get to know what they are really doing to do. It looks like a scam. volumteer for the military without getting paid ? I rather go talk to a ream army recruiter i can at least get 20k bonus .
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Old 07-05-2010, 3:26 PM
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A hobby group? Wearing the uniform that men sweat and bleed to have the honor of wearing? I am totally down with civilian organizations having close relationships with the military, but this is too far. It's not like it's ROTC, they are wearing our uniforms and patches.
I agree, I highly doubt they have any idea what it means to wear those uniforms, and they don't deserve to wear them. My impression of them thus far is a group of mall ninjaesque Chinese people that focus on "training" based off US Army standards. Based off their gallery, this group seems to be nothing more than a group of US army dress-up wannabes that don't do anything else except get together for ceremonial type meetings for no real reason or purpose.

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Since the first day of our USAFVR is founded, we have sent five young men and women to join the National Guard. USAFVR is the perfect resource for youngsters to join the Army. With the guidance of the National Guard, we know the right way to guide you to archive your professional goal. Contact us if you have any interest to join the US Army, we will provide you the right information and we are able to train you to archive your goal...


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Old 07-05-2010, 4:35 PM
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The fact that they are wearing U.S. Army nametapes and interacting (as seen in the pictures) with the community worries me.
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Old 07-05-2010, 7:28 PM
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Wouldn't this apply?

Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 33, Section 702.

"Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United States or in the Canal Zone, without authority, wears the uniform or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of any of the armed forces of the United States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of such, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both."
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Excellent find. Now, if anyone calls the Ca DOJ about non-service members parading around as NG...
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Not good, not good! WTF is going on with this state? It have to be fixed.
How can we fix it?
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Yeah baby! I wonder if my 1LT will convert over to a 4-Star General?
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Yea it will, but your not going to make 4-star pay.

Your going to be paid like an PVT that owes a lot of money for breaking something expensive.
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instead of pretending to be something their not grab your cojones and enlist in a real mans military join the marines....either these guys are parading around to get around the law and possibly get FFL items as " training " or as an airsoft club. their website seems very vague and as far as i can see i havent seen any other nationality besides asain? so WTF is going on? is it legal can they wear a uniform in which they DONT rate. my boot laces have more time and services then their 4 star general... Really now this doesnt smell kosher at all to me...
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Governmental Affairs is looking the site over and getting with JAG and the CSMR leadership. They had never seen it.
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1LT actually goes down in rank. Now a hard nosed NCO, THERE is general materiel.
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Governmental Affairs is looking the site over and getting with JAG and the CSMR leadership. They had never seen it.
Someone had to know about it. My squadron CSM is standing right there with their "leader" in one of the pictures.
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Someone had to know about it. My squadron CSM is standing right there with their "leader" in one of the pictures.
I saw that.
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From their website: The USAFVR is an unincorporated and nonprofit organization authorized by the state of California

I searched the IRS and California Office of the Attorney General websites for charities. "USAFVR" (and its name permutations) does not show up.

http://www.irs.gov/app/pub-78/forwardToSearch.do
http://rct.doj.ca.gov/MyLicenseVerif...spx?facility=Y

There is a similar group, The United States Volunteers Joint Services Command (USV-JSC) http://www.qhappy.com/usv/ The USV-JSC is searching for retired military and civilian men and women, and clergy members who would be willing to re-enlist in this volunteer military service organization to be trained and called to active duty as a civilian volunteer to honor our nation's veterans.

They are listed with the IRS and CA AG.

One of there members, "John A. Henke
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From their website: The USAFVR is an unincorporated and nonprofit organization authorized by the state of California

I searched the IRS and California Office of the Attorney General websites for charities. "USAFVR" (and its name permutations) does not show up.

http://www.irs.gov/app/pub-78/forwardToSearch.do
http://rct.doj.ca.gov/MyLicenseVerif...spx?facility=Y

There is a similar group, The United States Volunteers Joint Services Command (USV-JSC) http://www.qhappy.com/usv/ The USV-JSC is searching for retired military and civilian men and women, and clergy members who would be willing to re-enlist in this volunteer military service organization to be trained and called to active duty as a civilian volunteer to honor our nation's veterans.

They are listed with the IRS and CA AG.

One of there members, "John A. Henke
MG, USAFVR, USV-JSC, Commanding General, 9th Regional Command" has "USAFVR" in his title.
Small potatoes. Commander Wang outranks him by at least one star.
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The US Volunteers, I've actually run into these guys before while out recruiting. They perform a good service, and they DO NOT wear US ARMY nametapes or anything. They have Class A's, rank, and that stuff...but they do not purport to BE the Army. If this USAFVR didn't wear US ARMY nametapes I wouldn't be half as pissed.
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Small potatoes. Commander Wang outranks him by at least one star.
I heard Commander Wang has a medal of honor
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That first sgt is awfully young!
That's what I was thinking, that and it looked funny that three 1SGs for all 30 people looked a bit excessive.
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Oh ****, Red Dawn but the Chinese instead of the Ruskies!
Heh, more like Red Dawn with RED Chinese REJECTS! I bet Beijing even rejected them for their army.

cpl-dan: I totally understand how you feel. I'm a Marine D.Storm vet, 0332, and I'm totally pissed off. Even more so since my heritage is Japanese. They make all of us Americans of Asian descent look bad. I bet these a*s wipes are freaking FOBs who snuck in a shipping container. F-ing hate illegals! All of them! My folks came over the right way and worked hard to become real legal residents then naturalized citizens. These USAVR clowns need to investigated and exposed as the frauds that they are.
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The US Volunteers, I've actually run into these guys before while out recruiting. They perform a good service, and they DO NOT wear US ARMY nametapes or anything. They have Class A's, rank, and that stuff...but they do not purport to BE the Army. If this USAFVR didn't wear US ARMY nametapes I wouldn't be half as pissed.
Exactly. some have mentioned the Civil Air Patrol as a comparison. The CAP doesn't wear an Air Force name tape, they wear a CAP name tape, other than that the uniforms are identical, at least they were many years ago when I was 12/13 and in the CAP. These guys cannot be legit...want to see how this turns out...
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Governmental Affairs is looking the site over and getting with JAG and the CSMR leadership. They had never seen it.
This is going to be good.

I hope the CalNG doesn't get dragged down with this, if they are indeed providing training (and uniforms, unit patches, etc....)


Then again, this could be something that some "community activist" 1LT in the NG is supporting without his CO being aware of.
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From their website: The USAFVR is an unincorporated and nonprofit organization authorized by the state of California

I searched the IRS and California Office of the Attorney General websites for charities. "USAFVR" (and its name permutations) does not show up.

http://www.irs.gov/app/pub-78/forwardToSearch.do
http://rct.doj.ca.gov/MyLicenseVerif...spx?facility=Y

There is a similar group, The United States Volunteers Joint Services Command (USV-JSC) http://www.qhappy.com/usv/ The USV-JSC is searching for retired military and civilian men and women, and clergy members who would be willing to re-enlist in this volunteer military service organization to be trained and called to active duty as a civilian volunteer to honor our nation's veterans.

They are listed with the IRS and CA AG.

One of there members, "John A. Henke
MG, USAFVR, USV-JSC, Commanding General, 9th Regional Command" has "USAFVR" in his title.
Ya... the only thing that I could find was the US Armed Forces Veteran Reserve.

I only got one page of hits on Yahoo on USAFVR, and all of them referred to the Vet's Reserve except for the link to Mao Jr's site.
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Hey guys, I just called them right now at 626.319.9158. There was an old Chinese man who picked up, with very poor english, and he pretty much had no idea what USAFVR was. I had to keep explaining to him if they were USAFVR. He repeated "U. S. A. F. V. R." cluelessly. I also keep asking him if they were a government or volunteer group. I asked if they recruit people to join the Army. I asked the old man if they were government, US or Chinese? I also asked what they do if they are USAFVR. The old man keep putting me on hold, and I kept hearing Chinese people in the background talking back and forth about how to talk to this person on the phone asking about "USAFVR." The old man put me on hold, then a young Chinese lady took the phone, and I asked her the same questions as the old man "Is this USAFVR? Are you government or volunteer? Do you recruit people for the Army?" She had no clue, couldn't answer any questions, put me on hold, and then another female took the phone, I asked HER the same questions, and she couldn't give me a straight answer either, the only english I got out of her was "Hello?". Then the old man picked up the phone again, and I asked him if they were government or volunteer. He kept insisting "Yes, yes, yes, yes," but I couldn't get it out of him whether it was government or volunteer. I asked him what USAFVR does and he kept talking Chinese every other word. Then a Chinese male who had slightly better english asked for my name, and I gave him a first name. And then I asked him if they were USAFVR and if they were government or volunteers. He said something in Chinese and I heard the words "army reserve" and then he asked me if I was "on a base." I told him no, but I have friends in the Marines and I wanted to find out about USAFVR. He told me to give him my number so that they could call back. I decided I didn't want these people to know my cell phone number so I hung up then. Really weird stuff!

EDIT: The old man at the number called me back in 22 mins and asked if they could call me back tomorrow between 10-5. I asked if their "office" was closed. The old man said yes because it is Independence Day and he said they will be open tomorrow

SECOND EDIT: Ok, I just got a call from a different number (626) 379-5048 from a Chinese male who had intelligible english. He told me USAFVR is a volunteer group that is not government and that they "serve their community." The man told me that they are supporters of the National Guard. I asked if they have any National Guard members in their group, and the man sort of hesitated, and then said "We have National Guard people who train us and advise us." I asked him if they are a hobby group. The man hesitated again, and said 'Yes. You could say we are a hobby group." I was about to probe into this and ask if he knew about war re-enactors to drive my point home, when he suddenly said that he is "training, driving right now, can't talk now, ok to call you back tomorrow?" I said yes. Oh yeah, and the guy I talked to said his name was Jerry.
very interesting .... if this group really is a so called "hobby or enthusiast"group pretending to play soldiers maybe an official investigation is in order im going to make a call to my congressman and also veterans affairs ( the real one) see what they have to say about this funky stuff. crap ill join if they will make me commanding 5 star general of the galactic forces region sector 2.5.132.5 of alpha sector 7... I really want to command my own star ship LOL

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Old 07-06-2010, 9:00 PM
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I feel like that dog when i think about these guys
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Old 07-06-2010, 9:51 PM
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when things really do SHTF i think they wear the speal hat for that occasion, what do you think?

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Old 07-06-2010, 10:59 PM
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I will give you the short answer. The CA ARNG is aware of these guys and they have been given a cease and desist order in the past. I was email some links to other sites like theirs but I am on leave and can not get my mil email here. I will try and get more info about these other groups if anything I here they are pretty comical. I do not have issue with what they do but they should not be wearing patches that match regular forces.
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:26 AM
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I found a youtube video of one of the five members that were sent to the National Guard. Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?=ERRy0mO6Q4g

Here is the full scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPXA9...eature=related

Sorry guys it wont let me embed these videos.

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Old 07-07-2010, 2:53 PM
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I went into the Armory today and talked with SGT Ma about the pictures of him on their website, on a number of the pictures you can see 2LT rank on his chest but SPC rank on his stetson. SGT Ma was dumbfounded as how that could be as he never wore the 2LT rank. Upon him calling Wang it was learned that the creator of the website took upon himself to digitally alter the pictures, why? apparently he felt that Ma should outrank the usfvr people as he is actually in the Military.

Suffice to say SGT May was very upset and demanded that those pictures be removed as they made him look like he was impersonating an officer. As to why my fellow soldiers were in the presence of these individuals, I don't think I can share just yet, but I assure everyone that it was harmless and the CAARNG have done no wrong.
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So I read all this madness and about ready to smack-a-biatch, but their website is down now

http://www.usafvr.com is no more, but is you go to http://www.usafvr.com/team.html you can get into the site

WTF over
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