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Old 02-09-2013, 5:11 PM
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I know that you have a quite a bit going on right now, but I have been mulling over the current situation we are in. We firearms owners are a diverse group, straight/gay/lesbian, white, black, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim etc. We have the NRA, CRPA, and the various groups involved with keep the 2A intact. But what do not have is a symbol to which gun owners can rally around. One calgunner came up with the idea of a yellow patch for fire arms owners to wear as a symbol of the persecution of gun owners. If we are a persecuted we need to adopt tactics of the persecuted groups that came before us.

Some folks might turn up there noses at this idea, but we as a group have our collective asses in a sling. But a more militant, law abiding strategy must be come up with to combat these people. Protests , symbols, filing law suits against these folks, (Villaraigosa, Skinner, Steinberg, DeLeon, Yee) for hate speech, under The Bane Act's Civil Code section 52.1 provides a civil remedy whenever a person or persons, whether or not acting under color of law, interferes by threats, intimidation, or coercion, with the exercise or enjoyment by any individual or individuals of rights secured by the federal or state Constitution or laws.
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Old 02-09-2013, 5:25 PM
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This is my vote!
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I couldn't agree more. There is no shame from these people. We have to get on offensive. Any lawyers here? Suggestions?
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Old 02-09-2013, 5:46 PM
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I'm up for the challenge.

Asking for lawyers to see of this is legit is a great idea. If we can do the "I's & T's" right on this one, I think we have something worth doing.
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We have a good, California-based symbol (thanks, Tom) -
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Your on the right track - I was thinking racketeering or conspiracy to deni natural rights.

Why not a charge of discrimination under title vii in federal court?

Maybe a judge will call them a 'gang' and prohibit their collusion.

I'm not a lawyer but waiting for a law to get an injunction doesn't stop the threat of additional illegal behavior.
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Well we have been putting pro gun contingents in the Gay Pride parades and surprisingly we have been well received.

The problem we have with traditional gun groups is they are led by authoritarians who are good on gun rights, but horrible on the rest of the bill of rights.

If we are to treat gun rights as civil rights, then what we need to do is start linking our gun rights to other civil rights.

Considering that if we lose our gun rights, all of our other rights become government revocable privileges, the connection is already there

The attack on gun rights comes because of gun violence.

IMHO, gun owners are being made scapegoats for failed government policies that as a byproduct create the seeds of violence.

Violence is a symptom of a problem, failed government policies.

Rather than fix the problem which is failed government policies, the government shifts blame to us, that way they can continue the failed policies and as violence increases, just blame us

Rather than us defending our gun rights, I think we should go on offense and attack the failed government policies that fuel violence.



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If somebody wants to organize a class action suit on behalf of CA gun owners, I'll contribute. Start suing these bullies. Make them personally liable for making statements that encourage violating the constitution and persecuting an innocent minority ( gun owners, about 21% of the population)
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I would hazard to guess that if these legislators and staff's home address and phone numbers were made public and a few demonstrators showed up to peacefully picket they might get a message about how serious we are.
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Well we have been putting pro gun contingents in the Gay Pride parades and surprisingly we have been well received.

The problem we have with traditional gun groups is they are led by authoritarians who are good on gun rights, but horrible on the rest of the bill of rights.

If we are to treat gun rights as civil rights, then what we need to do is start linking our gun rights to other civil rights.

Considering that if we lose our gun rights, all of our other rights become government revocable privileges, the connection is already there

The attack on gun rights comes because of gun violence.

IMHO, gun owners are being made scapegoats for failed government policies that as a byproduct create the seeds of violence.

Violence is a symptom of a problem, failed government policies.

Rather than fix the problem which is failed government policies, the government shifts blame to us, that way they can continue the failed policies and as violence increases, just blame us

Rather than us defending our gun rights, I think we should go on offense and attack the failed government policies that fuel violence.



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I think that is the sound of a nail being hit on the head.
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The symbol of the Pink Pistols is a powerful symbol of one group under the banner of the 2A. But a unifying symbol of all groups involved in this struggle that incorporates the ideals of our diverse group. A symbol that identifies us not as the sum of our parts, but as one cohesive unit. A2
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Idea for a symbol, 4 clenched hands one around the wrist of another different skin colors with the words,"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be Infringed" in the center. A2
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Wear a three percenter t shirt and stare their *** down when they come out of their office.
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How about 4 clenched hands of different skin colors around the neck of a politician with the heading,"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be Infringed"
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Thats great, I laughed my *** off. A2
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As proud as I am as a gunowner, my privacy rights regarding gun ownership is one of the rights I am fighting for.

Patches don't really work for me.

Now if we want to contribute to ads that state our platform and combat lies with facts, then I am all for it.
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How about this for a symbol.


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Where and when they gonna be makin' the air drop, I want one.
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I really like the whole 'Oppressed Minority' concept. Picking on a minority group is always viewed in a negative light.

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As proud as I am as a gunowner, my privacy rights regarding gun ownership is one of the rights I am fighting for.

Patches don't really work for me.

Now if we want to contribute to ads that state our platform and combat lies with facts, then I am all for it.
Well then right now I think that would be the assaulted film.

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How about more billboards?
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I really like the whole 'Oppressed Minority' concept. Picking on a minority group is always viewed in a negative light.

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I love it. Where can I get one of these posters?
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How about 4 clenched hands of different skin colors around the neck of a politician with the heading,"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be Infringed"
Perfect
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I know that you have a quite a bit going on right now, but I have been mulling over the current situation we are in. We firearms owners are a diverse group, straight/gay/lesbian, white, black, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim etc. We have the NRA, CRPA, and the various groups involved with keep the 2A intact. But what do not have is a symbol to which gun owners can rally around. One calgunner came up with the idea of a yellow patch for fire arms owners to wear as a symbol of the persecution of gun owners. If we are a persecuted we need to adopt tactics of the persecuted groups that came before us.

Some folks might turn up there noses at this idea, but we as a group have our collective asses in a sling. But a more militant, law abiding strategy must be come up with to combat these people. Protests , symbols, filing law suits against these folks, (Villaraigosa, Skinner, Steinberg, DeLeon, Yee) for hate speech, under The Bane Act's Civil Code section 52.1 provides a civil remedy whenever a person or persons, whether or not acting under color of law, interferes by threats, intimidation, or coercion, with the exercise or enjoyment by any individual or individuals of rights secured by the federal or state Constitution or laws.
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A symbol, something elemental to get behind http://youtu.be/Vtf4idmK7kQ

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I'm in total agreement with the OP. We need to use the "Chicago way" to counter those who would destroy our rights. We have very little disagreement in our principles and this should make it easier to bring together a broad group of people to work together.
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Well we have been putting pro gun contingents in the Gay Pride parades and surprisingly we have been well received.

The problem we have with traditional gun groups is they are led by authoritarians who are good on gun rights, but horrible on the rest of the bill of rights.

If we are to treat gun rights as civil rights, then what we need to do is start linking our gun rights to other civil rights.

Considering that if we lose our gun rights, all of our other rights become government revocable privileges, the connection is already there

The attack on gun rights comes because of gun violence.

IMHO, gun owners are being made scapegoats for failed government policies that as a byproduct create the seeds of violence.

Violence is a symptom of a problem, failed government policies.

Rather than fix the problem which is failed government policies, the government shifts blame to us, that way they can continue the failed policies and as violence increases, just blame us

Rather than us defending our gun rights, I think we should go on offense and attack the failed government policies that fuel violence.



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I just made it bold, but it really should be in font size 1000000.
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I tend agree with Nicki here, this is bigger than just guns.

As such, any symbol, emblem, or patch should be centered around the "right to bear arms" as opposed to the actual arms themselves.

Considering that we probably don't have to convince many AR owners about the importance of being able to keep such arms, the symbol shouldn't turn anyone else off who may not otherwise be educated enough about the subject to make an informed decision.

Putting an "EBR" on such a logo may just turn off many of the very people we're trying to educate about the bigger rights issue.
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It wouldn't work. Antis would say: "good job, you can have that one."
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