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Old 06-14-2010, 6:48 PM
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Well I thought it was time to start another thread about what's better, pros and cons type of deal, so tell me your opinions on each rifle. Hands on experience would be better but here-say is also welcome.
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well I like both rifles and ive shot both rifles,I like the ptr 91 because I like the hk g3,I like the m1a because I like the m14. When it comes to performance there kinda 2 different rifles, there both 308 but the ptr 91 is more of a shorter tactical rifle and the m1a is basically a sniper rifle lol.

I would say the m1a is the more accurate and just overall the better rifle. I do love the ptr 91 charging handle though lol,it looks cool when you slap the charging handle forward. so i would say its just personal preference because there both great rifles.
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neutered, vs un neutered... thats the choice
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Doesn't the PTR91 use the blow back roller locker action? If it does it ruins brass so the M1a will let you reload.
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ya m1a lol
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neutered, vs un neutered... thats the choice
That makes it even harder! LOL
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Doesn't the PTR91 use the blow back roller locker action? If it does it ruins brass so the M1a will let you reload.
Yes it uses the H&K design as does the Cetme
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I vote for the M1A.
- Better trigger.
- Better ergonomics (subjective, but I find G3s extraordinarily blocky and clunky)
- Better iron sights
- Doesn't maim brass like the G3
- You can run it with truly detachable magazines in CA. No bullet button or monsterman grip or anything like that.

The only things I don't like about the M1A are that it's a pain to mount a scope, and at that point cheek weld becomes a serious problem. But for an iron sighted rifle, hands down the M1A gets my vote.

YMMV, of course.
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Love both....But if I had a choice M1A all the way.
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I would buy the H&K, OOOOOPS sorry, Since we are in Komiefornia not an option PTR91 cause I like the style and want one over my Cetme, The PTR's cheap little brother
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M1A 100%....Uses detachable mags
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G3 issues I experienced were that the rifle was seriously out of spec. Pulling the charging handle was difficult to say the least, even after buying a new bolt. Though PTR is much better at this than other G3 builders. Height over bore issues result from the scope being so high. Lower mounts make traditional variable magnified optics difficult because when pull the charging handle, your hand bumps into the scope. Its not something you can do with speed, unless you make your choice of optic based on the amount of clearance you have. The tube where the charging handle runs gets very sharp over time as the charging handle rubs against it. Razor sharp in fact, and can take off skin.

M1A offers a low height over bore for greater accuracy and ease of use. Very few are built out of kits and usually are made from brand new factory parts so they are a lot less likely to be out of spec. There are a lot more really exciting aftermarket parts, and a lot more coming as the M14 finds a rebirth with the US Armed Forces in Afghanistan. Use just about any optic you want without issue. As far as I know doesn't slice open your hand while charging it.

However, if you are going to get a G3 clone, PTR is the best of the bread as far as I know.

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thanks for the info Tactical M1A all the way
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Thanks for the info... I think I'll go with M1A Scout.
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if you really want a bad a55 m1a my friend has had his socom that he got for 2k cash at reeds for a couple years,thousands of rounds through it and his reaction when I asked him about it was I WILL NEVER SELL IT, I LOVE IT!! hahaha so ya there pretty nice from what ive heard, I love my svt 40 and ive always thought they were similar to an m1a and I like the m14 so when I get the money im adding an m1a to the collection for sure.
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The M1A is a nice shooter, but the G3 style is my preference. Note the M1A had the shortest adopted life of any US service rifle, and don't watch the video on the M1A drag test through the mud - it was a big FAIL.
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why dont american rifles have the reliability other countrys do?
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Thanks for the info... I think I'll go with M1A Scout.
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Yes it uses the H&K design as does the Cetme
That's actually backwards. The CETME was designed in Spain first and H&K bought the license from them.
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Shot both HK-91 and M1A long ago...

The -91 was more "evil" looking, but iirc our longer distance shooting (300yds generally) was better with the M1A. Tho I always liked that diopter rear sight thang on the HK's.

As mentioned the -91 style rifle beats the hell outta the brass.

Sooo, we still have a nice nice wonderful M1A, and no HK.

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M1A, unneutered as mentioned FTW.
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In California, an unneutered M1A is the clear winner.
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PTR91 barrel is free-floated, and M1A is not. Delayed blow-back design is theoretically more accurate than piston-driven action; however, thin sheet metal of the G3 design makes the rifle prone to warp during recoil and affects accuracy behind 500 yards. PTR91 is lighter and hence more mobile, but you get more with your money with M1A. Ideally, one should own both, because each represents a completely different design that does pretty much the same thing. My belief has always been get FAL, AR10, and PTR91 while we are still riding the bullet button wave... all it takes is one crazy SOB to ruin it for everyone... so U should get the PTR91 while u still can.
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Reliability goes to the PTR-91 but at the expense of the brass.
M1A is reliable enough with a better trigger and far superior accuracy
M1A for me

but I'd still like a PTR-91 in my stable
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...Note the M1A had the shortest adopted life of any US service rifle...
It is my understanding that one of the biggest problems with the M14, leading to it's short time as a standard issue rifle (keep in mind the M14 has been in service continuously since it was adopted- it's role and use has changed over time) was not due to reliability but rather its rate of fire. The concept behind the M14 was to put a BAR style rifle in the hands of every infantryman, but what military planners forgot was that BAR gunners could adjust the rate of fire and most set the BAR on its slowest RAF to keep it manageable (reasonably accurate). The M14 did not have the ability to adjust the RAF and cycled too fast for most infantrymen to keep it on target, and so it was most often kept in semi-auto mode. The other major change that took the M14 out of action as a standard issue rifle was the military's desire to move to a lighter round that troops could carry more of to shoot at the enemy.
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Note the M1A had the shortest adopted life of any US service rifle...
FAIL: The M1A was never adopted by the US military.
The M1A is just one of several commercial copies of the USGI M14.

The M14 has been in service if one form or another since 1957... that's 53 years of service and the modernized M14s
(MK14 Mod 0, MK14 Mod 1, MK14 SEI, M21A5 Crazy Horse, M14EBR-RI and M39 EMR) will be serving for many years to come.




BTW, SEI will soon receive 500 (five hundred) M14 rifles for rebuild.
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the correct answer: FAL

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FAIL: The M1A was never adopted by the US military.
The M1A is just one of several commercial copies of the USGI M14.

The M14 has been in service if one form or another since 1957... that's 53 years of service and the modernized M14s
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...and don't watch the video on the M1A drag test through the mud - it was a big FAIL.
Not this. You should look into the test; a lousy one at best. They used a ridiculously light round istead of using proper 7.62 NATO or anything that was around 147-155gr.

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You should look into the test; a lousy one at best. They used a ridiculously light round istead of using proper 7.62 NATO or anything that was around 147-155gr.
Yep. The test was either performed by the ignorant or they did it on purpose in an effort to make the M1A look bad.
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In this state, the M1a would get my vote. It is a pleaseureable rifle to shoot. Pretty darn accurate(mine does 2moa on irons with my nearsighted non dominant eye). Dropping mags is a nice feature.
PTR is also very nice too. Both are comfortable to shoot. I like the left side cocking lever but I hate how hard it is to use. No bolt hold open feature so if you run dry, you will be using it. Changing mags is a pain... even without the bullet button, it really needs a paddle mag release. It is extremely durable and reliable, moreso than the m1a. Triggers are only ok, M1a is better. Scope options are worse on the PTR. M1a can use a low mount and you can get away with a small cheek riser. PTR you are stuck with a stubby scope for one because of the charging handle. You don't have much wiggle room because of the rear sight and you gotta get a decent cheek riser to boot. Don't get me wrong, I love them both but they both have their place and their perks.
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I would get the PTR or the FAL as a "battle rifle" over the M1A.

If you want to scope a semi auto 308, go AR.

Only way I'd buy an M1A is if I got a smoking deal on a loaded or NM model.
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I've messed with the PTR91 and AR-10, I love the M14 and no matter how hard I try... I've just never warmed up to the FAL.
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