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Old 06-08-2010, 8:13 PM
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NRA-endorsed Carly Fiorina wins GOP primary... will run against Boxer.

So we have someone that
(1) can beat Boxer
(2) kicked antigun Tom Campbell in the teeth.

Hoorah.
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More importantly, has the funds to go toe-to-toe with Boxers fund raising juggernaut.
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More importantly, has the funds to go toe-to-toe with Boxers fund raising juggernaut.
Yes - my terminology "can beat Boxer" encompasses proper funding.
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True. I should have read that into it as well. I would blame lack of coffee, but it's too late for that .
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NRA-endorsed Carly Fiorina wins GOP primary... will run against Boxer.

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(2) kicked antigun Tom Campbell in the teeth.

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NRA-endorsed Carly Fiorina wins GOP primary... will run against Boxer.

So we have someone that
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(2) kicked antigun Tom Campbell in the teeth.

Hoorah.
(1) Wrong!
(2) Beat the only Republican who polled better than Boxer in head to head competition.

This is a dream come true ..........for Boxer.

Carly Fiorina is the failed CEO who got a huge golden parachute and is almost universally hated by HP employees. In addition she has a penchant for putting her foot in her mouth and was an economic adviser to John McCain. Her kick off attack on Boxer says Boxer believes in global warming which will get the conservative vote but will not win over the majority of Californians who believe in global warming.

Boxer could have faced DeVore who is a true conservative or Campbell who was the only Republican to stand a chance to beat Boxer. Sorry Big Bill but the only one saying hoorah is Boxer.
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Good stuff, I'd like to see this go down. Go Carly!
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I watched a clip where she said we need to regulate the internet. How the hell is that even possible? Not to mention constitutional.
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Finally, a real chance. Carly's HP tenure is checkered and she has voting issues. Boxer has little to show for 18 years in the Senate aside from being shrill and running a poorly regarded operation.
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Carly Fiorina is the failed CEO who got a huge golden parachute and is almost universally hated by HP employees.
Many of those employees were sitaround BigCorp nontech layabouts relying on the "HP way" to be overmethodical (thinking they were protected species) and who really didn't contribute a whole lot to bottom line.

Carly may well have been short-term disappointing with longer-term favorables. A more dispassionate examination of Fiorina - despite the trouble she had with the HP board - was that she had laid the groundwork for current CEO Hurd and HP's present pretty-good-shape position. (Yeah, I know, HP doesn't make good calculators anymore, etc.)

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Global warming worries are way down the list given the economy - fancy enviroconcerns have faded when people are concerned about state bloat and their jobs. People will say "bring on the CO2" if it keeps their mortgage payments going.

Babs Boxer already has high negatives (even the Dems acknowledge this) and is already known as 'not-a-bright-spark'; she is closely sheltered since her verbal abilities are greater that GWB's but the content is less. I think Fiorina has a fair chance in this election cycle.

Also, the language and discussion will change after the primaries.
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I hope you're right Bill. I really do. She really scares me.
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My 0.02c - HP went down the drain after Carly made her changes and left.

Cheap products sold for high dollars, strongarm ad tactics, stonewalling warranty repairs and recall repairs, major outsourcing of tech support, printer lineup turned really sour with poor quality firmware chips, ink cartridge and toner cartridge scandal, 5 year sunset on all products - even high end, extremely expensive units. Compaq quality was raised to HP standards after the merger and has suffered the same decline. Power supplies were given a major cut around 2003-current, I have even seen some extremely poor quality ones installed factory new and lasted two days before turning hardware to vapor and expensive fireworks.

Not saying it was her fault directly or indirectly but still a major 'hmm' for me.

Boxer can pound sand.
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According to Pollster.com they are neck and neck
Boxer is at 45 percent
Fiorina is at 39 percent
I would say that with the way the Dems have run this state, and Fiorina's money, we are good to go. Take Boxer and Pelosi out of California.
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I voted for Devore.

Not that it matters. an incumbant Boxer is untouchable.
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If true, why isn't Carly listed here: http://www.nrapvf.org/Elections/Stat...=2010&State=CA

AAMOF, the NRA-PVF doesn't even list CA's US Senate race.
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Carly's spin off of the test and measurement division without the "HP" name. The equipment deserved the "HP" name more than a bunch of printers and computers.

But, not a big enough reason to vote Boxer in November.
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i'm supporting her! since chuck didnt win
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Could care less about HP, could care less about the other conservative GOP candidates that lost to Carly, bottom line we need to throw our support behind Carly, she is NRA endorsed and supports our gun rights. Boxer is a liberal, California is liberal, but Boxer is still vulnerable, all these years as a Senator she has nothing to show except pure arrogance. Carly has allot of ammo to use against Boxer and Boxer compiled all that against herself. Lets hunker down and support Carly.
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(She) Beat the only Republican who polled better than Boxer in head to head competition.

This is a dream come true ..........for Boxer.

Carly Fiorina is the failed CEO who got a huge golden parachute and is almost universally hated by HP employees. In addition she has a penchant for putting her foot in her mouth and was an economic adviser to John McCain. Her kick off attack on Boxer says Boxer believes in global warming which will get the conservative vote but will not win over the majority of Californians who believe in global warming.

Boxer could have faced DeVore who is a true conservative or Campbell who was the only Republican to stand a chance to beat Boxer. Sorry Big Bill but the only one saying hoorah is Boxer.
I agree. But politics is a strange animal. Let's hope the pollsters are wrong about Fiorina/Boxer and it turns out that being in politics is Fiorina's first best destiny. Because ANYONE is better than Boxer.
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Many of those employees were sitaround BigCorp nontech layabouts relying on the "HP way" to be overmethodical (thinking they were protected species) and who really didn't contribute a whole lot to bottom line.

Carly may well have been short-term disappointing with longer-term favorables. A more dispassionate examination of Fiorina - despite the trouble she had with the HP board - was that she had laid the groundwork for current CEO Hurd and HP's present pretty-good-shape position. (Yeah, I know, HP doesn't make good calculators anymore, etc.)



Global warming worries are way down the list given the economy - fancy enviroconcerns have faded when people are concerned about state bloat and their jobs. People will say "bring on the CO2" if it keeps their mortgage payments going.

Babs Boxer already has high negatives (even the Dems acknowledge this) and is already known as 'not-a-bright-spark'; she is closely sheltered since her verbal abilities are greater that GWB's but the content is less. I think Fiorina has a fair chance in this election cycle.

Also, the language and discussion will change after the primaries.
Not saying BB is the sharpest knife in the drawer. As you correctly point out she has a large downside and would have been vulnerable in this years election. But the Republicans seem to have picked the only candidate she can beat. I thought only us Democrats shot ourselves in the foot ...... repeatedly.

Carly got a $40+ million dollar golden parachute when she was fired from HP. I am sure that is going to play well with those struggling in these financial times. She is the only one of the candidates that can make Boxer look like a populist.
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I heard from some guys at HP that Fiorina had a security detail following her around all the time when she was CEO and that she wacked down a bunch of trees at their offices in France so she could land her helicopter during her one and only visit. She's quite a character.
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I am not a Carly fan, but now that she has won, she will get my FULL Support.

I would support Mickey Mouse to defeat Boxer!

We MUST get rid of this woman!
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Wait for new polling data when the background noise of the primaries has been cleared out.

Fiorina is a member of the NRA and noisy about it, the kind of exposure we need.
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Fiorina is a member of the NRA and noisy about it, the kind of exposure we need Boxer needs.
Fixed it for ya.

If she's smart she'll clam up about it now that she's beaten back Campbell, and if Boxer is smart she won't let Carly clam up about it.

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Yes , but how quickly will Carly throw the NRA and all her pro-gun stance under a bus when push comes to shove. I don't trust her on 2A politics one little bit.
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Yes , but how quickly will Carly throw the NRA and all her pro-gun stance under a bus when push comes to shove. I don't trust her on 2A politics one little bit.
Are you suggesting that less-than-sincere lip service to gun rights had any part in this election?!? Such cynicism!!!!

In any event, the senate election is well modeled by the following game: revolver D has six loaded chambers, and revolver R has an unknown number of loaded chambers. Which will you choose to put to your head and fire?

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Yes , but how quickly will Carly throw the NRA and all her pro-gun stance under a bus when push comes to shove. I don't trust her on 2A politics one little bit.
You don't have to trust her stance on 2A, but you can sure as heck trust Boxers stance on it. Almost anyone is better than boxer at this point.
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I hope Carly goes down in flames. Sorry, but that woman gutted HP. She will do so with this state.
She's running for Senate. One of 100 votes. The alternative is Boxer.
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I hope Carly goes down in flames. Sorry, but that woman gutted HP. She will do so with this state.
1. Um, you know she's not running for state office, right?

2. You know she's running for a legislative office, not an executive office, right?

3. What possible evil do you expect her to vote for that Boxer wouldn't?

4. Carly isn't running against Bill Gates. She's running against Barbara Boxer. What could you possibly imagine Carly would screw up that Babs could do successfully?

5. For that matter, what could you possibly imagine that Babs could do successfully?

I should write a song. Something like:

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I was elected to the Congress
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(Chorus: She thought so little they rewarded she
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Hopefully now that Carla is facing the BIG MACHINE of Boxer, she will get some better professional campaign support. She needs to polish it up.
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Yes , but how quickly will Carly throw the NRA and all her pro-gun stance under a bus when push comes to shove. I don't trust her on 2A politics one little bit.
Who can say? When she had a chance to do the "that sounds reasonable" bit regarding whether being on the no fly list should preclude someone from buying/owning a gun she answered first and just as strongly as Devore. She said it should not, that she and her husband are gun owners & NRA members. I think she took a shot at Campbell when he mused otherwise (he showed no feel

Having said that, could she turn out to be another Gillibrand from NY? Sure, but almost anyone would be better than Boxer.
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Who can say? When she had a chance to do the "that sounds reasonable" bit regarding whether being on the no fly list should preclude someone from buying/owning a gun she answered first and just as strongly as Devore. She said it should not, that she and her husband are gun owners & NRA members. I think she took a shot at Campbell when he mused otherwise (he showed no feel

Having said that, could she turn out to be another Gillibrand from NY? Sure, but almost anyone would be better than Boxer.

True. And also remember that US Senate and US Congress are less critical - we pretty much own them. Hell, the next Obama bill to support the hamster fattening industry will probably have a rider saying gun safes are tax deductible
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Very disappointed by the results of this election, but I figured it would happen after I saw the vote tally the ballot machine printed out for the precinct I was working in. Te only reason I would even give any consideration in voting for her at this point is because I really want to see Boxer go. If it was not for that, she would have no chance in hell of getting my vote. I think she is a terrible choice overall, an I think those rooting for her now will probably find themselves very disappointed once she gets into office, should she do so. California Republicans threw away the one chance we had of getting an actual conservative as a Senator; according to the last Rasmussen Poll I saw Devore did better against Bozer than Fiorina.
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California Republicans threw away the one chance we had of getting an actual conservative as a Senator;
Typical conservatives are unelectable in California to statewide office, unfortunately. A pro-choice Barry Goldwater *might* make it.

The issue Fiorina is gonna have to fight is she's said she's antiabortion/anti"choice".

That's simnply a losing position statewide today and is gonna come back to haunt her. You can expect Babs Boxer to get 90% of the single female vote. This subject's position is now a key determiner of win/lose in CA.


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according to the last Rasmussen Poll I saw Devore did better against Bozer than Fiorina.
Hmm, that's a solo datapoint. I don't think it's indicative of reality at all. unless the news accidentally said Babs was a necropheliac that made a profit from Bernie Madoff.
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I'm not really fond of her but anyone including Bernie Madoff has to be an improvement over Boxer. Boxers arrogance alone is beyond belief.
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Hmm, that's a solo datapoint. I don't think it's indicative of reality at all. unless the news accidentally said Babs was a necropheliac that made a profit from Bernie Madoff.
She's not?

And are you suggesting that Californians are prejudiced and won't support all forms of love? Why should love be only for the living?

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Here's a little therapy for depressed calgunners:



It's not brilliant, but just the title by itself, "Barbara Boxer: Decades of EPIC FAIL" is worth the price of admission.

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I don't know a whole lot about Fiorina, and I voted for DeVore, but I do know Fiorina isn't Boxer. Time to cut a small check.
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