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Old 04-12-2016, 9:06 AM
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Default Specialized Armament Civilian Legal 14.5 'looking' barrels.

I know some don't like these; or are concerned with function over time, permanent state of the barrel in that condition etc. but I never liked the current civilian legal look of common AR15 barrels.

While they are supposed to be - legally - a total of 16 inches (per ATF definition) most civilian barrels made are still 16" without the flash hider or similar device.
So often the go way longer than needed legally.

Me being extremely passionate about US military AR15s (not interested much in any other) I never truly liked the 16" barrels with their profiles.

Mind you, this is completely just aesthetics. So it's not at all (for me) a functional aspect; it's only a hobby for me and so it'll stay.

Mostly, I like my rifles for how they look and I set them up mostly in that regard.
So this is almost exclusively a looks related thing for me.

With that clear for you,
Specialized Armament is an Arizona based company operating for the past 25 years. I am sure several on this board know it. They are considered the Colt custom shop in the country; even Colt itself considers them highly.

When I learned of how they shape civilian Colt barrels to make them look like the military ones, I was sold. So much that, I purchased two 6920 Colt Uppers and had them do the work.

More at the link and a couple pictures of the final result.


http://www.specializedarmament.com/c...bbl_16_bbl.htm



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Old 04-12-2016, 3:06 PM
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Other configuration.



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Old 04-13-2016, 12:47 PM
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I love these M4s so much I keep on changing bits and pieces around.

But I keep it classy


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14.5+2" pinned muzzle brake barrel looks noticeably different in person. Attached pic to show difference. Regular ar15 "carbine" barrels are 16" PLUS another inch or more of detachable muzzle brake. So assembled, both setups are notably different when you see both in person. Never realized out 'duck shotgun long' looking my original barrel was. There's no going back for me.

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Old 04-14-2016, 10:40 AM
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There you go.
I wholeheartedly agree. It's right there, in front of our eyes.

I think not only in person, but it stands out even in pictures.

And handling it too makes a difference.

At this point, not only I will never go back but I also find it hard to believe we haven't resorted to this earlier - speaking specifically about myself.
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so you said there are some issues, or some might think there are issues, what exactly is the problem?

I like the look......

and how do these actually compare to the M4?

I am more familiar with the M16 though, as that is what I drug around for a bit
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I'm a little confused. 14.5" or 14.7" pinned barrels are nothing new, not by a longshot. Is this just a plug for this shop in Arizona?
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I'm more curious as to which CG prefers asthetically, 14.5 or 14.7?
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Sorry guys it took me a while to respond. Busy working.
Glad to answer a few things, if I may.

Jimbo, well I didn't mean to say that I do share the view on the potential issues these (may or may not) have; but we need to take into consideration the following:

- the (Colt) barrel gets cut (nothing wrong here) to 14.5 and then,

-SAW adds their unique, specific flash hider that is based on the A2, but longer. It gets pinned and welded into place permanently. Can't undo, the barrel stays as it is.

You can take a look at the description of this process (and look at the actual pictures) at the link below:

http://www.specializedarmament.com/c...bbl_16_bbl.htm

Some people won't accept that permanent modification to their barrels.
Some may also have doubts about lasting quality or side effects.
I personally don't have any doubts, and spoke with Ken (SAW owner) about this. None whatsoever, thanks to the process they apply to these uppers.

It's just a work of art.

Once again, the objective here is looks. Looks only; functionality, of course, MUST remain as good as it was before (accuracy etc.).
I just wanted my rifle(s) to look like authentic Colt M4s (or M4A1s), with the military length barrel of 14.5.

I just can't stand the look of the 16 AR15 barrels anymore. They always do look excessively extended to me, especially once you have gotten used to 14.5 (or shorter).

Regarding Hibiki's question, I too would be curious. I have no idea of such preferences and I am probably indifferent myself, as long as I am fooled into thinking it looks like an authentic M4 Military barrel.

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Just dressing 'em up slightly differently


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I'm a little confused. 14.5" or 14.7" pinned barrels are nothing new, not by a longshot. Is this just a plug for this shop in Arizona?
HAHA (hadn't seen your comment earlier).
A plug? For Specialized Armament?
You mean for Colt's official custom shop that's been working for the past 25 years for US Military and Special Forces?
My friend. Erase your confusion by informing yourself.
And no, these barrels are uniquely different from any other pinned and welded barrel out there.
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I'm no expert so here's my silly question. Isn't the end result the same as a 6921? Why not just buy a 6921 and pin/weld the flash hider on?
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I like 14.5 BUT I like the idea of changing my muzzle device as I see fit & not getting locked into a configuration with a pin/weld job - so I stick with 16.
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I'm no expert so here's my silly question. Isn't the end result the same as a 6921? Why not just buy a 6921 and pin/weld the flash hider on?
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Well, the thing is that it looks entirely different.

The point here is that the muzzle device is entirely different. On the 6921, they will pin and weld either an extended 2X (longer!) flash hider or some other trick that will end up not looking exactly like the military counterpart.

You can tell immediately. Also, any currently pinned and welded work ends up being longer that SAW's total length final result.

Again, the trick is looking at SAW's own page in the link above.

I will post a picture here of it so it should be immediate.
Hope I cleared it out for you.



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Top: Colt LE6920 barrel, length = 17.468 inches
Center: Colt/SA M4-SE barrel, length = 16.043 inches
(flash suppressor pinned & welded)
Bottom: Colt M4 barrel, length = 15.879 inches
All measurements were taken using ATF methods with flash suppressors installed - exactly as pictured.
(NOTE: All 3 barrels have the same diameter step behind the flash suppressor - 0.700 in.)

The difference between the Special Edition barrel and the US military M4 is 0.164 in. or less than 3/16 of an inch (0.188 in.) in real life. Needless to say, this is a nice way NOT to spend $200 on an NFA tax stamp (save that for your MK18) and it is legal in states where class III items are restricted. (The actual SE barrel in the center was create from an LE6920 barrel exactly like the one above.)
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I like 14.5 BUT I like the idea of changing my muzzle device as I see fit & not getting locked into a configuration with a pin/weld job - so I stick with 16.
AND perfectly understandable
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Solo, I completely understand the intent (sexy looks) and I'm not passing judgment on that, but since I know SA is pretty impressed with their products and thus generally charges a healthy amount, what's the final damage?

I'm curious, since one of the reasons SA gives is to save yourself the cost of the tax stamp, but I have a sneaky suspicion this work will get close to that cost.
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Solo, I completely understand the intent (sexy looks) and I'm not passing judgment on that, but since I know SA is pretty impressed with their products and thus generally charges a healthy amount, what's the final damage?

I'm curious, since one of the reasons SA gives is to save yourself the cost of the tax stamp, but I have a sneaky suspicion this work will get close to that cost.
Oh yesSir, undoubtedly. It's just as you say.
I think the end result is higher than the tax stamp? So in a free state I would have gone with the tax stamp, there is no doubt, whatsoever.

In short, I think the end damage is closer to USD300 (shipping and blah blah) included.

Still, 'I'd hit it' (especially here in California!).



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14.5 undoubtedly looks better with carbine gas, the M4 barrel profile, and a FSB. 16 looks perfectly fine if you're free-floating and/or have mid-length gas and a straight barrel profile.

edit: In my opinion, of course.
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I still need to get this done; I miss my M4 I had in the corps.
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14.5 undoubtedly looks better with carbine gas, the M4 barrel profile, and a FSB. 16 looks perfectly fine if you're free-floating and/or have mid-length gas and a straight barrel profile.

edit: In my opinion, of course.
I agree completely with you.
I think even the market itself went this direction as if it was a general recognition of this very same conclusion.

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So what's your take on a 14.5" barrel with an extended A2 flash suppressor?
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So what's your take on a 14.5" barrel with an extended A2 flash suppressor?
Still like it 100 times better than 16". Matter of fact, I do have one of these extended ones on a DD rifle, but it's not one that I like particularly much as the BCM A2x (my favorite).

So I ordered a BCM and I'll have it swapped with the DD on this rifle:


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