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Old 05-07-2010, 2:56 AM
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I tried using search but didn't find anything. Anyone know of a .357 magnum auto-loader besides DEs? I know you can get 1911s in .38 super, but I imagine you can't use .357 in that.

Also, if there is another one, is it legal in Cali?
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Old 05-07-2010, 3:11 AM
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Autoloaders in .357 have extremely large grips. Just so you know that now...

The slow motion is pretty cool, but the guy is kind of a dork...
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which one is in death wish the movie
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Lar Grizzly, You can get conversion kits for 44 mag, 10mm and 45 win mag. Its a sweet gun.
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Coonan is supposedly reintroducing their 1911 type 357 Magnum. Maybe the $125.00 magazine prices for their originals will drop a bit.
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yep.. you get a .357 that will only shoot certain bullets in a narrow power range and a bonus of jams and loss or destruction of expensive .357 brass.. All in a heavy and bulky (for a .357) package.

Someone had to come up with the idea.
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Maybe its just me but 357 and Revo's go hand in hand like PB and J. If you want 357 performance in an semi-auto why not just go with 10mm. They are close enough in 4-5 inch barrels to be equal.
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I tried using search but didn't find anything. Anyone know of a .357 magnum auto-loader besides DEs? I know you can get 1911s in .38 super, but I imagine you can't use .357 in that.

Also, if there is another one, is it legal in Cali?
You can go with a Colt or other 1911 type in 9 x 23 - .357 mag velocities with a rimless case.

http://www.burnscustom.com/9x23.html

This is mine, built on a .38 Super:



Original .38 slide assembly above the pistol with the factory Colt 9 x 23 conversion unit mounted.

It is possible to run 9 x 23 through the .38 Super chamber, I've done it in a Kimber with a supported chamber barrel, the case difference only being that the .38 Super case is 22.5mm long, semi rimless.

YMMV.
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yep.. why not just go with a 38 super or 10mm or .357 sig?

Unless.. the sound of ".357 magnum" is the thing.
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If you want 357 performance in an semi-auto why not just go with 10mm. They are close enough in 4-5 inch barrels to be equal.
Exactly what I was thinking, but it sounds like he is specifically looking for a .357 Magnum handgun just to say he has one.
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I have a 357mag auto. A friend had one for trade & I had a hunting rifle he wanted. I was in the market anyway & jumped on it.

I like the fact that I can take a 357 revolver & auto to the range & only have to worry about carrying or buying one type of round.

I'm also in the market for a 357mag lever action rifle. Let me know what you got!
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Autoloaders in .357 have extremely large grips. Just so you know that now...

The slow motion is pretty cool, but the guy is kind of a dork...
I have pretty big hands, so if I do ever decide to get one that won't be a problem. Thanks for the video.


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Exactly what I was thinking, but it sounds like he is specifically looking for a .357 Magnum handgun just to say he has one.

Actually, I'm not looking to buy one right now. I was only curious since I imagine there would have to be some considerable reinforcement to the gun to prevent it from breaking down after just a couple shots.
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Maybe its just me but 357 and Revo's go hand in hand like PB and J. If you want 357 performance in an semi-auto why not just go with 10mm. They are close enough in 4-5 inch barrels to be equal.
There are certain truths in this world that are simply indisputable.

One is that a handgun should be made of metal and have a hammer.

Another is that EVERYBODY should own a 1911 in .45ACP and a .357 wheelgun.
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I think that the most significant reason the .357 mag has not been more widely adopted to the auto loader is the rim on the cartridge. This could potentially cause rim lock if the magazine is not loaded correctly.
The different pressures and recoil forces from the wide variety of loads could also affect reliability.
Just guessing...
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Coonan: I only got to shoot one once. Very nice shooter, moderate recoil, accurate, worked 100%. The narrow grip frame makes up for the slightly longer front-to-back distance compared to a 1911, fits the hand just fine.

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call me tom... unless you want to really restrict what ammo your .357 revolver gets to shoot.. you can not take "the same ammo" for both the brass chucker and the revolver.

The revolver is much less limited. Even shooting 38 spls.
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which one is in death wish the movie
Just for accuracy - it's not in "Death Wish". It doesn't appear until "Death Wish III".

And the Wildey was not (and is not currently) ever made in .357 Magnum. I currently own two of the original production run: one in .475 Wildey and the other in .45 WinMag. The company is back in business (since 2003) and much more prolific now than in their previous incantations.

ALSO... I do own a Coonan 1911 in .357 Mag, and the most IMPORTANT thing to note about these guns is that extra magazines are a pain-in-the butt to find. They perform well, and are made well (but with a crude finish) and while mine has never given me any fits, never has had a failure to feed/fire, it's still not one I would not rely on it as a reliable weapon for self-defense. Any rimmed cartridge through an auto-loader should be used with caution and anticipation it will eventually not go as planned. It's a novelty and conversation piece at best.

ALSO... I do have a collection of several LAR Grizzlies, and the most important aspect of the .357 Magnum conversion kit for these guns is that the magazine was hand-honed for each specific kit. Using a "spare" mag and mixing parts can lead to failure-to-feed issues on a regular basis. I used to have a specimen of ALL the conversion kits that LAR Grizzly produced (save for the 2 special caliber kits) and of all of them, I was so disappointed with the .357 Mag conversion kit, it's the only one I got rid of - sold it on Ebay back when you could still sell gun parts.

TECHNICALLY... another semi-auto gun (but not actually an "auto-loader") in .357 Magnum is the Mateba Semi-Auto revolver. A wonderfully performing and very accurate gun, it can also be had in .44 Magnum and .454 Casull - of which I own a few of these as well - some in .357 Mag and some in .44 mag. They perform flawlessly and while people who have never shot one will balk at the purpose of creating such a gun; once they actually shoot one, they admit it is one of the most amazing guns they have ever fired - the trigger is awesome - adjustable, sensitive, and feels just like a finely tuned 1911 trigger.

I have several Desert Eagles among others, when it comes to magnum caliber auto-loaders. However, the only magnum/large caliber auto-loaders I do not currently own are the AutoMag guns; I just never had any faith in them, as nearly every one I had ever come across, whether it be a friend's, a shooter at the range, or one for sale - seemed to always come with an apology for problems with reliability. Additionally, most all of the examples I have looked at for sale, just did not appear to be made very well; their quality looked too similar to their relatives; the AMT guns.

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There are certain truths in this world that are simply indisputable.

One is that a handgun should be made of metal and have a hammer.

Another is that EVERYBODY should own a 1911 in .45ACP and a .357 wheelgun.
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call me tom... unless you want to really restrict what ammo your .357 revolver gets to shoot.. you can not take "the same ammo" for both the brass chucker and the revolver.

The revolver is much less limited. Even shooting 38 spls.
What?

I don't go to the range with 5 different boxes of different types of ammo. I go to the range with 5 boxes of the same type and brand of ammo...because I buy ammo in bulk.
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Hmm.. I always go with more than one type of ammo.. especially if I have more than one gun. Course, I reload so I like to play around with different loads. I find it hard to believe that you can find a factory load that both guns like.. and.. even if you do... next year it might be different.

A .357 in a revolver is a very versatile round. You can even shoot 38 wadcutters or near 200 grain cast slugs.

My point remains that you are restricting your revolver by insisting that it function within the narrow confines of the semi auto.
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