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Old 05-02-2010, 6:53 PM
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Default What is the Absolute best .22 semi auto pistol?

I'm in the market for a .22 LR pistol. The extractor on My FTL Auto Nine .22LR broke a while back and I can't find the part anywhere, so It looks like I need something else to "plink" with.

22 pistols are definitely not my area of expertise...so help me out.

Which model is the best? Most Accurate, reliable, durable and quality built, etc etc. Which ones do you guys own and how are they? Also would be nice if parts are sure to be around for it in the future considering my Auto Nine is impossible to find. Thanks guys.
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"Best" would probably be a custom gun or a semi custom Olympic grade gun. The "best" common .22lr semi would probably be a S&W 41.
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S & W makes a nice model 41. Browning has a nice one too.
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Plain-Jane Ruger MkII with the "non-adjustable" sight. Accurate, can get parts, drift/file the rear site to get it zeroed, learn to take the little bugger apart and put it together, it's all you need.

But, depending on use, you could be best served with a .22 revolver, a Sig Mosquito, the above Ruger, a Pardini, etc.
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I have a CZ-75 9mm with a Kadet Kit (.22 conversion) . It is extremely accurate, fun to shoot and lets me enjoy the sweet trigger I had worked by CZ Custom Shop. After you have had the rest, get the best...A CZ!
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I wish I could afford a S&W 41 any info on the S&W 22A or S&W 422? (Othere than they are 1/4 the price of a 41?)

As to best - a shoot off between the S&W 41 and Beretta 87 Target 22LR would be very interesting.

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There is a reason S&W 41s command the prices they have and the almost cult following. They are the best commercially made .22 currently on the market. Period.

You are buying an heirloom quality investment that happens to be superbly built and designed. Simple quick change barrels, accurate to competition quality.

Just watch what the Steel Challenge WINNERs are shooting, yup 41s...

I have had Rugers, and all the others and for plinking and casual shooting there are other choices.

Mine below, not counting the extra barrels I have to use for almost anything you can think of!
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Have you checked with Jack First for your extractor? M41's are wonderful but so are Colt Match Targets, Browning Medalists and the High Standards are world class. The idea of "Best" is too broad, Most accurate......Hammerli, Most Reliable? longest lived? I suppose that a Thompson Contender would be pretty fool proof.......Too many Variables.
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You said best....so here ya go
Here is a good line up:

Browning Medalist
Hammerli 207,208s....... or any model
High Standard Victor
High Standard Trophy
S & W Model 41
High Standard Citation

Also the altra-cool, not the top performer, but altra cool...Colt ACE

And the Cream de Cream..High Standard 10X

There are more and each person has a favorite

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+1 for the CZ with the Kadet kit.
I have the Kadet kit to go on my 75B. I have nothing but praise for both configurations.
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The following are expensive, but pretty much the "best" you can get for your money. Other guns might offer better price/performance, but if price is less of a concern, you can't really find better .22s... Which one to pick is more a matter of preference.

Pardini SP/SPE
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As previously stated the Model 41 is the way to go funds permitting.

I see in your post you mention a 422. Those are not in the same league as the 41 but a great plinking pistol. It's brother the 622 is what I have and I bring it out just as often as my Model 41.

Problem with the 422/622 will once again be parts if you break it. That said they are a nice gun and I'm looking to pick up a second one. I like them because they are super light weight and my kids can hold them. If you can get one at a reasonable price, buy it.

If you are looking for a new pistol to plink with and maybe tinker a little. Go with the Ruger III.
Parts-a-plenty to work on those just like the 10/22 rifle. You will have no trouble sourcing parts from both Ruger (if you need them) and upgrades from third party sources.

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I like the Beretta Model 87 Target, but it costs a lot.
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"Best" was way too broad a term. I'm not looking for a match grade contender for competitions...I'm looking for a reliable, compact, accurate shooter. And YES price is a factor. I'm open to something used as well...
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Have you checked with Jack First for your extractor? M41's are wonderful but so are Colt Match Targets, Browning Medalists and the High Standards are world class. The idea of "Best" is too broad, Most accurate......Hammerli, Most Reliable? longest lived? I suppose that a Thompson Contender would be pretty fool proof.......Too many Variables.
No I haven't. What's the deal with that outfit? Can I still order from them without the catalog? I'll give them a call.
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Yea, to narrow it down, you should give a price point. Around 500? 1k? 2k?

Then what you plan on using it for.

I really liked my sig trailside (hammerli).
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Yea, to narrow it down, you should give a price point. Around 500? 1k? 2k?

Then what you plan on using it for.

I really liked my sig trailside (hammerli).
I'm gonna give it a little while see if I can't find an extractor for my auto nine. But when I'm ready I think I'm looking for the most bang for the buck...been looking around and used $200-$400 beretta's look interesting. I didn't realize when I posted this that there was such a broad market of .22 pistols and that they could actually cost up to 2k...lol. I figure If I wait I can find a deal on Calguns. I'm really just looking for a fun, cool looking, accurate little plinker.
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Where does the Beretta U22 with 6" barrel fit in this list? They always have seemed like great little guns to me.
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Where does the Beretta U22 with 6" barrel fit in this list? They always have seemed like great little guns to me.
A little big for what I'm looking for and in my opinion very FUGLY...lol.
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If you want to stay out of the sw 41 range but still want accurate and reliable, your best bet is to troll the calguns classifieds for Ruger Mark 2's or 3's, or Browning Buckmarks.

I've picked up one of each in the past year, both at fantastic prices. I snagged a stainless mkii target pistol for $325 in as-new condition and a perfect condition Browning Buckmark 5.5" Field model for around $450. Both of these guns shoot ragged holes with decent ammo when I do my part. So far I haven't found an ammo that the Buckmark won't eat, though this Mkii prefers fast ammo (Fed and Win bulk packs work fine.)

I also have a SW 22a, which is reliable, but is in an entirely different (significantly lower) class. Not nearly as accurate, and generally much more "clunky" to use the technical term. I picked up that one on this forum for under $200.
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A little big for what I'm looking for and in my opinion very FUGLY...lol.
Hey now! they don't look that bad! I love mine, I've gotten a dozen people in to firearms because of the harmless looking NEOS

I have the 4.5" barrel and it shoots very well.

I'm guessing you want one that looks more like a "gun" j/k (Sorry I hear that a lot)

I would caution against trying to find one that simulates a modern semi-automatic; some have a tendency to require higher-end ammo to shoot consistently. Mine will shoot even the cheapest bulk packs.

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"Best" was way too broad a term. I'm not looking for a match grade contender for competitions...I'm looking for a reliable, compact, accurate shooter. And YES price is a factor. I'm open to something used as well...
You need to set a budget before you ask for "the best" of anything.

Perhaps ask for "the best 22 semi auto pistol under $400".
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I'm gonna give it a little while see if I can't find an extractor for my auto nine. But when I'm ready I think I'm looking for the most bang for the buck...been looking around and used $200-$400 beretta's look interesting.
Ruger 22 pistols are for you.
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Jack First is a gun parts company owned by Jack and his family. They were on the Sierra highway in Lancaster for decades but moved to South Dakota maby 10 years ago. Jack is still around and it is still run by his wife and daughters. It is a world class source for gun parts. Do Not take those women for some sales person with little experience......They have more knowledge in there little finger than all the mall ninjas here combined. Best to simply call them. Some parts they will only ship to a gunsmith. Great people. Do a google, They will come up.
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Ruger 22 pistols are for you.
I agree.

I have a stainless Mk II model and that bugger can shoot anything. The only two bad things about it are:
1) I need more ammo to shoot it.
2) It can be a little of a PITA (but not too bad once you're used to it) to clean and maintain it. MK III models are even more of a PITA from what I've heard due to the Mag Safety.
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Jack First is a gun parts company owned by Jack and his family. They were on the Sierra highway in Lancaster for decades but moved to South Dakota maby 10 years ago. Jack is still around and it is still run by his wife and daughters. It is a world class source for gun parts. Do Not take those women for some sales person with little experience......They have more knowledge in there little finger than all the mall ninjas here combined. Best to simply call them. Some parts they will only ship to a gunsmith. Great people. Do a google, They will come up.
Contacted JACK. No Auto-Nine extractor....BUT they carry (2) different versions of the Wilkinson "Sherry" .22 pistol. Here are some pics of what it looks like. Below the 2 pics of the Wilkinson "Sherry" .22 is a Picture of an FTL Auto Nine which was Manufactured by Wilkinson Arms for FTL marketing CORP.

Does anyone know anything about these two pistols? they look alike and the specs are very very similar....Is it possible that I might have gotten lucky and the extractor for the "Sherry" could work on my auto nine? One of you guys has to know something about my AUTO-NINE.

(Wilkinson "Sherry" .22)


(FTL "AUTO NINE" .22...Manufactured by Wilkinson.)
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uhhh Nevermind...lol. Got a little too excited. Looks like the upper portion of the pistol is different.
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buy a S&W 422.Mine is accurate and dependable.think of it as a poor man's 41.Gunbroker should have a couple.
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IMO the best plinker 22lr pistols are:

Old High Standards: Trophy, Citation, Supermatic, Victor, 10X (Basically any of the old target HS's)
Old S&W M41's
Wheelguns: S&W M17/K22/617, Colt Diamondback

Best Budget 22lr plinkers: Ruger MKII's, Browning Buckmark, Ruger Single-Six
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My favorite is the S&W Model 41. It's very accurate, feels great in my hand, and field stripping is the easiest I've seen on a rimfire pistol (literally only 3 steps to disassemble). The only thing I don't like about mine is that it's extremely picky about ammo. I'm limited to either CCI Standard Velocity or Wolf Match.

You can also find aftermarket barrels and grips for it. Replacement parts shouldn't be a problem because if something breaks, it has a lifetime warranty and S&W pays shipping both ways.

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My Browning Buckmark is as accurate and reliable a pistol as I've ever shot. Paired with a good reflex site, you have a great setup.
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Angry Possum,
Based on your specifications a Ruger MKII used or a Buckmark will fill the bill and for the budget minded a Smith 22A. The Hi Standards and S&W41 work well with standard velocity ammunition but get hinky when 10 rounds are loaded in the mag. Pardini's, Hammerlis etc are elegant to look at, ooh and ahw at but definately not a plinker. My background is an old bullseye shoooter and international standard pistol shooter and I have seen many 22's on the line. As a side note Artie Vitarbo set a world record in standard pistol using a Ruger MKI.

Now at the Steel Challenge in Piru, CA we do see a few S&W 41's but a lot of Marvel & Tactical Solutions 22 conversions and even more Ruger MKII's and III's.

There are many elegant 22's out there but for your plinking pleasure, MKII, Buckmark, 22A or for a few bucks more a MKIII.
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If you want a .22 that looks like a "Real Gun"
http://www.berettausa.com/products/8...lued/wood-8rd/
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i dunno bout best..but my buckmark w/ tac sol 7 inch barrel and rail and fiberoptic sights... dime sized groups @ 25 yards when I do my part... I can't complain... the urx grips are nice too. pricey but not too bad...i think around 700$ total.
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What is the best .22 semi auto? Well this question will log a hundred answers and all of them valid but really the question you need to ask yourself is what semi-auto do you see yourself using all the time. I have Ruger 22/45 and a Kimber Rimfire. Overall the Ruger is a great gun, maybe even a better gun but since getting my Kimber my Ruger has spent most of its time in my gun case and my Kimber has been going to the range. Sure it had breakin problems but being a 1911 fan I like my Kimber more than my Ruger so by default I use it more. All guns mentioned here have there pros and cons and all will serve you well but get one you like and you will not be unhappy.
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Thanks for all the great info guys. Does know anything about the FTL auto nine and the Wilkinson "Sherry" and what parts might be interchangeable?
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"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
-- John Dean "Jeff" Cooper, The Art of the Rifle
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