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Old 03-18-2010, 8:57 PM
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Default How accurate is your FN FAL?

Just want to know how your FAL shoot and how you accurized it? Pics would be great if you wouldn't mind sharing. 100-yard 5-shot groups if all possible.

Also, what would you like to see on a FAL rifle?
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Old 03-18-2010, 10:49 PM
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Just want to know how your FAL shoot and how you accurized it? Pics would be great if you wouldn't mind sharing. 100-yard 5-shot groups if all possible.

Also, what would you like to see on a FAL rifle?
There are lots of different FALs, some lots better than others. Might want to ask people what sort of FAL they have.

My experience is that even a 'good' FAL can be a bit of a disappointment in the accuracy department, and that was with high quality milsurp Hirtenberger ammo from the golden days. Sort of like spending a lot of money on a genuine IMI Galil and finding out that it shoots pie plates at 100 yards.
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Old 03-18-2010, 11:27 PM
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Open sights or scope at 100 yards? Full size or Para?

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Old 03-18-2010, 11:30 PM
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Having have had a few FALs I can tell you it all comes down to the quality of the parts set and the build. I have seen FALs shoot 3MOA down to 1.25MOA. Granted the better shooting FALs were factory built FN guns.

Gone are the days of the $199 pristine STG-58 parts kits and the $150 Imbel receivers. I'd have to say the best FAL builds nowadays are the DS Arms stuff. But you are paying the money for it.

A typical FAL should get you 2-3 MOA if built right.

P.S. my friend has a couple of real IMI Galils and both of them get much better than Minute of Pie.
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Old 03-19-2010, 6:43 AM
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I have a 18" DSA STG-58 and it usually keeps everything within 2 MOA using Aussie surplus ammo and iron sights-- that's 10+ shot targets, not 3 or 5 shots. I've had a couple 1.5" 10 shot groups at 100 yards but I consider those to be luck. After putting about 1K rounds of Aussie down the pipe my experience has been that the gun & ammo puts the hole within 2 MOA of where I want it to be when I tested it on paper at 100Y and 200Y and I had no problem hitting the steel up on the hill (400Y I think) at San Luis Obispo range about a year and a half ago. Very good IMO considering it's surplus ammo, a used barrel, and factory iron sights.

The gun may be capable of better accuracy but 2 MOA is as good as I can shoot it consistently with the factory iron sights. I might be able to squeak out more accuracy if the sights were as good as the national match sights on my M1A. The sights are my biggest gripe with the FAL, but again, it's a matter of not using the rifle as it was originally intended (and the NM M1A sights have me spoiled.) The FAL sights are perfectly adequate for battle rifle use but not all that great for accurate target shooting. Right after I purchased the rifle I put a DSA railed top cover on with an EOtech and didn't like the combination at all. The rifle just didn't feel right with optics in terms of cheek rest and ergonomics so I went back to irons only.

My advice is don't go in with false expectations. I bought the FAL expecting battle rifle accuracy... so I'm quite happy with it. If I bought it expecting bolt gun levels of accuracy (or even "AR with a good barrel" levels of accuracy) I would have been very disappointed. Enjoy it for what it is and don't try to make it into something it isn't, it's a lot cheaper that way!

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My brother and I used to shoot his at 600 yard gongs back in college. It would hit them, open sights, more than 80% of the time. At 400 yards it was 100%. That was with whatever surplus ammo we could find at Turners. I love that gun. I believe it was a century arms sporter built off an inch-pattern FAL.
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My brother and I used to shoot his at 600 yard gongs back in college. It would hit them, open sights, more than 80% of the time. At 400 yards it was 100%. That was with whatever surplus ammo we could find at Turners. I love that gun. I believe it was a century arms sporter built off an inch-pattern FAL.
I agree 100%. I have much more fun using my FAL on steel than I do on paper-- it's much more effective at plinking steel than printing tiny groups on paper.
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I have a Preban DSA SA58 carbine with a horrendous Muzzle Break.
with iron sites and shooting portugese surplus 308 i can hit steel target up to 600yds @ Angeles ranges (LA).
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If you want accuracy get an M1A. I owned a SAR 48 that shot about 3" @ 100 yds with military ball and currently I have a DSA 58 tactical carbine (16" fluted barrel) that was about a 5" shooter until I installed a modified Wilson muzzle brake on it. The groups have shrunk to the expected 3" which tells me the horrendous recoil was probably causing a flinch. Every M1A I've owned (3) and the Polytech M14S that I have now has been at least a 10 ring shooter and in my younger days when I could actually see the sights for more than a couple minutes they were x ring shooters. This is without bedding or tweaking the rifle with any special tricks.
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In the test picture 2 /5shot groups @100 yds with Aussie ball ammo,shows
10 shots in about 3". This is with iron sights.This is what I expect from an
average FAL. These rifles were not designed to be bench rest accurate
but the good news is they will probably shoot that well all day long ie.
the first 10 shots or the last 250/dirty/clean/any ball ammo/ whatever. Pete


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Its a battle rifle with, well, combat accuracy. Can't expect much from it, especially when piecing together a FAL, but if you do your part, it should shoot well. I seen some nice groupings with a STG build. Nothing to brag about it'll do
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My Fal is so sexy looking, I don't care how accurate it is !

Seriously - about 2-3 moa, I'm sure it would get better with match ammo, but that is reserved for the German semi auto with the match barrel and fancy stock
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You can't shoot surplus and always expect great accuracy.
I have yet to see any surplus that will shoot less than a 2 MOA group in my AI rifle.

I contend that a rack grade FAL is mechanically capable of the same accuracy standard as a unbedded GI M14. The things that give it a disadvantage are the sights and trigger. The trigger problem cannot be remedied easily: the reason why you can't lighten your trigger too much is because there is no 'safety sear' present on semi-auto rifles. (it is used to prevent the hammer from accidentally dropping and is also used as the auto-sear)
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Most STG's will do 1-2MOA with good ammo. I have seen .75" groups at 100yd w/ handloads and good optics. IMBEL . . . expect 2-4" groups.
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I have a Preban DSA SA58 carbine with a horrendous Muzzle Break.
with iron sites and shooting portugese surplus 308 i can hit steel target up to 600yds @ Angeles ranges (LA).
Do you mean the stock brake with the round holes? Ala, recheck that the earmuffs have a good seal loud? Lol, if so then I know what you mean. Good battle rifle, but I think the OP may want to consider an M1a build for longer range/tighter groups. Love the Fal though!
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My STG-58 rocks steel all day long, and if I try a little harder it will print decent
groups. However I spoil mine with Factory ammo or reloads.



Oh, and I remedied that lame bipod with the correct one.
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thanks guys for all your input. After studying the FAL design and other innovative methods from other rifle makers, I think there is a way to improve the accuracy of the FAL rifles. I'll keep you posted.
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