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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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If he wasn't a leader in the civil gun rights movement, they never would have gone after him like the criminals they are.
This was an attempt to suppress civil rights by cutting off one of the heads, plain and simple. |
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I do not know what the motivations of the alleged victim were. If she suckered the cops then that is going to be a very hard lesson for them to learn. However and again, I believe based on my limited knowledge of the case and my own experience that the detectives thought they had a good pinch with a solid victim, didn't do their homework and have now had what was a bad case to start with blow up in their asses. If you can prove an active criminal conspiracy, then please do so. If the evidence supports your assertions I'll back your play 110%. If you can't then I'd appreciate not trying to paint some, most, many or all LEOs as the bad guy.
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That seems to be exactly what he is implying. Obviously, we don't have all of the details, but Ben said that research is being done into the parties involved to verify possible connections to his competitor (which could be Paypal, or could be a competitor from one of his other businesses). http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=294052
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Everytime I check back on this post and read that I LOL.
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But noetic how they hyped things that they knew were mundane? Remember that the next time some schmuck is being vilified in a press release.
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There is a difference between intelligence and education. I have had people with bachelors’ degrees working for me who could not put together a coherent sentence. I will bet you dinner at the restaurant of your choice that of ten randomly selected collage graduates today, less than half could pass the CHP entrance exam I took 40 years ago.
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Some documentation on this please? This has not been done in decades!
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Ah, yes, PayPal. Yet another boost for the RKBA from Meg Whitman!
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Poke a stick under this rock and see what things crawl out into the light. Congratulations Ben!
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"We are investigating the backgrounds of the reporting persons for connections with my competitors. "
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Many Calgunners are assuming that it is Paypal, but it could be any number of organizations.
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i didn't know about this until a few minutes ago. what i see is an attempted decapitation of the biggest organized threat the antis have. similar to the decapitation of the black panther party. if the fbi can say the black panther party was "the greatest threat to the internal security of the country" why can't the powers that be say that cgf/cgn/gunpal are the greatest threat to gun control, ie a threat to total state control? i say it was a set up. to give human error even the slightest chance to breath in a case like this is very dangerous. human error, like mistaken identity, is the excuse to be used if they can't destroy a man in one blow. even then they stick to their story and never apologize. it would be like a boa trying to eat your kid, but you catch it and it tells you, "my bad, i thought it was a giant rat" only to try again later.
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The Detectives didn't do a very thorough investigation, nobody should try to whitewash their poor performance. Under no circumstances should they avoid scrutiny by us "civilians". I have personally seen actions of Local LEOs that would blow your mind with their lack of legality and lack of morality; however, I know that these are actions of the few, not the majority. What is disappointing, that these actions would have been known to another LEO or supervisor and nothing has been done to stop it or reprimand the LEOs in question. This is why LEOs are getting worse reputations than in generations past. |
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Sorry, just had to laugh at this one. |
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Scan through the various online forums and see how many inquiries there are about getting into LE when the economy is in the toilet. Same for military enlistments. Certainly, as I said before, nothing can be said to apply to everyone in either the military or LE, but along with those who select the career for honorable reasons, there are the bad apples that are able to work their way through "the system" and reach their swearing in ceremony. It can't be denied that there is corruption "out there". Often times, it stems from the DA's office (a position that I feel should not be an elected position... politics has no place in police work)... witness the Duke LaCrosse team fiasco... and that is just one of the many similar situations that happen around the country, but happened to be of a high enough profile to get the media exposure to raise enough questions and expose the BS.
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www.christopherjhoffman.com The Second Amendment is the one right that is so fundamental that the inability to exercise it, should the need arise, would render all other rights null and void. Dead people have no rights. Magna est veritas et praevalebit |
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Been a busy weekend so, no, not yet.
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I stood by Mr. Cannon on this forum and others when the case first broke. I still do. However, if you are going to assume a criminal conspiracy on the part of the detectives and ADA based on what little has been publicly released so far, then I think you are making quite a stretch without fact in evidence. Quote:
In the meantime, I am going to give the detectives and the ADA the same benefit of the doubt I gave Mr. Cannon as to your assertions of a criminal conspiracy on their part. Absent any evidence to prove such a conspiracy. The alleged victim.... now there is where it could get really interesting. Quote:
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Second off... save for the grand jury and a civil action, there really isn't any scrutiny open to "us civilians"... of which I am one too. Have been for a few years now. The system is not set up, in Sonoma County anyway, for citizen review of law enforcement action. We have to rely on agencies such as the Sheriff's Internal Affairs Bureau, the District Attorney, the courts, the Attorney General if need be, and the grand jury. But we can certainly shine the light on things... once we know that there is something factual to shine a light on. Quote:
But they try not to talk about it.
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If there's been wrongdoing on an official level, those responsible should be prosecuted. If not, then this falls completely on the accuser.
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My 851.8 pleading contains a Declaration by an Officer of the Court signed under Penalty of Perjury that the detectives knowingly and willfully withheld evidence exonerating me.
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Go get 'em
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Most definitely!
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I have been following this from the beginning. I have kept most of my opinions to myself. I'm watching some of these comments (Legal assessments) such as the one from bigdogplay and wonder if this discussion will help or hinder Mr. Cannon's case. I imagine the DA and attorneys for the arresting agency are souring everything they can get their hands on to sour any litigation having to do with this case. This post is not a condemnation of anyone or their opinion's, rather a genuine concern for Mr. Cannon and his case. I wish Mr. Cannon the best possible outcome. Thus far, his first win not only vindicated Mr. Cannon, but puts law enforcement on notice of the power the people have when they don't lay down and die.
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At all. I am assuming that the citizen complaint process has already been launched and the FBI contacted for the civil rights violations.
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Ben has not made any statements that would taint the case. The comments, speculation, and analysis by others is no different than the comment, speculation, and analysis by radio talk show hosts and Op-Ed people posing as newscasters. Beyond that, nothing on this forum not posted by Ben is admissible. Even if I were to post up "Hey, I was talking with Ben last night and he said that when the cops arrested him, monkeys were flying out of his butt!" That, from the forum, is hearsay... and I don't believe it would be admissible even if I were called into court. The DA could possibly use statements in this thread to impact public opinion... but I'm sure Ben is smart enough to know when to request a change of venue if there's any chance of a jury being poisoned.
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I do know (within the last three of four years) of one young man who was constantly in trouble, who agreed to join the Marines as an alternative to incarceration. I don't know whether the Marines took him or not. I could name names, but obviously I won't.
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"Look at the tyranny of party -- at what is called party allegiance, party loyalty -- a snare invented by designing men for selfish purposes -- and which turns voters into chattles, slaves, rabbits, and all the while their masters, and they themselves are shouting rubbish about liberty, independence, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, honestly unconscious of the fantastic contradiction....." "The Character of Man," Mark Twain's Autobiography |
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I'm sure Ben will post when his lawyers say it's good.
I don't think he wants to tilt his hand.
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I hope to see it on the front page of the PD...as horrible as their reporting is, this story still deserves front and center attention.
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