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Old 03-02-2010, 11:34 AM
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Here are pics of my "featureless" Sterling 9mm carbine!!!
Padlock is to prevent the stock from folding underneath the weapon, the kydex "wrap" neuters the pistol grip inherent evilness, and the muzzle brake was just an extra add on when I was still contemplating getting a bullet button made by someone but it didnt come to fruition...
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:42 AM
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Here is the $$$ breakdown -
$60 for the 10-round sterling mag (ouch!), a $60 kydex PG wrap from Solar Tactical (I just love this thing - so easily taken off for trips to free states), and a padlock courtesy of the US Army! The Muzzle brake came from Wiselite Arms and they charged $101 to mount it on the barrel.
Now I just wish I could jump through all the hoops for a MK7 9mm sterling pistol clone... It'll be a LOT harder to get!
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NICE!!!

I'm glad you could figure it out because we couldn't

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Old 03-02-2010, 11:45 AM
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That's nice! And pretty funny that you have a literal lock through your folding stock. Can't you put some kind of bolt through there? It doesn't need to be permanent.... either way, very creative ways to get around our wacky laws!

ETA: I use these when I'm climbing - they are cheap and you can find them at any hardware store. It's called a "Master Lock" chain link - You might even be able to find a black one... just a thought!

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yep - I just put something in there until I can find a better stock "lock"...ha
It definetly makes a strong statement - like my sterling is yearning to BE SET FREE!!! lmao
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is that krinkle coat on the receiver of the sterling?

looks like it works, great job, congrats!
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Are you 100% sure that's a muzzle brake? Looks like a standard M60 flash hider to me.
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Group B - crinkle paint finish just like the originals!
bigthaiboy - This is how WLA has it advertised = check it out! Souds like it will probably ADD muzzle flash when fired.
http://www.wlawarehouse.com/store_fr...e_muzzle_brake

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Group B - crinkle paint finish just like the originals!
bigthaiboy - This is how WLA has it advertised = check it out! Souds like it will probably ADD muzzle flash when fired.
http://www.wlawarehouse.com/store_fr...e_muzzle_brake
I realize WiseLite call it a muzzle brake, but I see no difference from the M60 version. The standard M60 has a flash hider. The difference between a muzzle brake and a flash hider is in the characteristics of it's design, not what someone wishes to call it. They both serve a different function by the way they control the movement and dissipation of gases from the muzzle. These functions are inherent in the design of the muzzle attachment. The long horizontal side cuts and large exit hole on the end of the muzzle attachment is typical of a "bird-cage" flash hider design.

I personally think you are playing with fire putting that on a featureless build, as I would not want to waste my money in court trying to prove that what you have is a muzzle brake. Just my $0.02
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I officially have Sterling envy...
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so does anyone else think I am inviting trouble with my choice of muzzle accessory?
I thought a real M-60 flash hider has only 3 vents... ?
Guess I could always get a fake can mounted on the threads instead.
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To consider whether the muzzle device is a flash hider or brake/comp. it would be really helpful if you could provide a front on picture showing the tip of the muzzle.
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On the manufacturer's website it looks like the brake tapers at the muzzle end i.e. it looks like it's about the width of the bullet. That'd be a MB if the above statement is true.

Also, I've read probably 100 threads on CG about Muzzle Brake vs Flash Hider and the general legal consensus is that if it's advertised as a Brake its a Brake, since CADOJ has no actual written definition. IANAL... but that seems to be the accepted rule amongst the folks in the know on this site.
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Also, I've read probably 100 threads on CG about Muzzle Brake vs Flash Hider and the general legal consensus is that if it's advertised as a Brake its a Brake, since CADOJ has no actual written definition. IANAL... but that seems to be the accepted rule amongst the folks in the know on this site.
Pretty much spot-on. However, there is complication here because its design is nearly identical to another device which is considered a flash hider.

To the OP: If I were you, if you're going to keep that on there, I'd make abso-frackin-lutely sure that you've saved a printout of the page you ordered it from, plus the receipt, and that they all say muzzle brake.

I personally would not mess with that device on a featureless build, but if you're going to do so, then by all means make a hardcopy of everything you have that asserts it was marketed and sold and installed as a muzzle brake.
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if the hole on the end is larger then the hole on the barrel, it's a flash hider... At least that's my understanding

Most brakes or compensators don't have holes on the bottom either... this forces gasses out of the top to help "Compensate" muzzle climp wen rapid firing

I think the key feature though to determine in the exit hole
Big hole = Hider (Evil)
Little hole = Brake (Featurless)

But still its a nice looking sterling, just be careful with the muzzle attachment
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Pretty much spot-on. However, there is complication here because its design is nearly identical to another device which is considered a flash hider.
Ah that makes sense. Didn't think of it like that. I would be concerned myself if I had, say, an MB that looked almost exactly like an A2 birdcage FH.
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Pretty much spot-on. However, there is complication here because its design is nearly identical to another device which is considered a flash hider.

To the OP: If I were you, if you're going to keep that on there, I'd make abso-frackin-lutely sure that you've saved a printout of the page you ordered it from, plus the receipt, and that they all say muzzle brake.

I personally would not mess with that device on a featureless build, but if you're going to do so, then by all means make a hardcopy of everything you have that asserts it was marketed and sold and installed as a muzzle brake.
That is my thoughts exactly. Wiselite describes and markets it as a M60 muzzle brake. Unless they have changed the design from a regular M60 flash hider to make it physically function as a muzzle brake, then that's where potential problems lie.

As for the argument if its sold as a muzzle brake, it's a muzzle brake argument, I wouldn't want to bet my freedom on this particular muzzle attachment without further confirmation that the design is not identical to that of the M60 flash hider, and that Wiselite has changed the design of it for it to function as a muzzle brake, and not a flash hider.

Wiselite are entitled to market this item as whatever it likes, it has no bearing on the law in other states. This is slightly different for CA, as a flash hider is a SB23 part, and clearly needs proper identification, as to not fall foul of CA AW laws.

As for whether it has 3, 4 or 5 vents, does not change the fact, that it is still a bird-cage design, which is without doubt, one of the most common designs for a military flash hider. Check out NDS's Tabuk FH: http://www.nodakspud.com/
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I applaud your ingenuity.

I'd find another solution to fixing the stock though.
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here are the pics of the muzzle brake. The 9mm round will just barely go inside of the muzzle... It doesnt look like it has a "chamber" to me.
And I found a cheap key chain caribiner that fits on the stock and endcap loop... but its PINK in color!!!
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This caribiner wont scratch the crinkle paint finish as the heavy padlock would likely do. lmao
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Nice Sterling carbine. I like your temporary solution to locking the stock. Very.. industrial looking
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I applaud your ingenuity.

I'd find another solution to fixing the stock though.
Yeah i agree padlock on the stock isn't gonna cut it.
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Yeah i agree padlock on the stock isn't gonna cut it.
what do you suggest - welding the stock in the open position? Anything permanent will make weapon disassembly impossible or maybe even ruin the receiver...
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You could also just get some black paracord, tie one end to the sling mount, then wind it around either arm and through the sling mount a couple times and tie if off at the sling mount again. That would be pretty discreet and might even look kinda cool - especially if you went ahead and para-wrapped the whole stock (feels good on the cheek!)
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can you believe they make us do this? nice work though, im sure it PO's the doj.
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They make one of these for 7.62x25 too.....I'd love one of those!
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I see your point about the end cap not coming off.

Refresh my memory, is the end cap held onto the receiver with twist lugs and tension from the main spring?

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Bit of a departure from the original look of a sterling, but if you were really bored you could stick a Lee-Enfield stock on it and call it a Lanchester clone.
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I see your point about the end cap not coming off.

Refresh my memory, is the end cap held onto the receiver with twist lugs and tension from the main spring?
Thats exactly how you do it.
It shoots low and to the left as I have heard many of these Sterling from WLA shoot that way from the factory. Not a single jam or malfunction out of 350 rds...
I am going to get another job just to keep 9mm stocked up!
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Looks great! Man, I wish there was a way to put together Sten mk1 or mk2.
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umm to make a more permanent fixed stock how about soldering a carbiner closed. That way if you really have to take it off. Well it wouldn't be that hard, but hard enough to perhaps appease a gov't officiale.
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Just found the missing ACC you need. Well other than a bayonet.

http://www.ima-usa.com/product_info....d382de52a51548
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If only trasers where legal. As soon as I saw your gun I was thinking this in the back of my head. Turns out someone has allready done it.

http://sterlingblasterconversion.blogspot.com/

seems this gentleman fixed the stock problem as well.
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umm to make a more permanent fixed stock how about soldering a carbiner closed. That way if you really have to take it off. Well it wouldn't be that hard, but hard enough to perhaps appease a gov't officiale.
Guys - if the weapon is 26" with the stock folded, permanence is utterly unnecessary.

Say it with me: California assault weapon code has no standard of permanence. Federal law does. If the weapon is Federally legal without fixing the stock, permanence is not necessary.

If all you're worried about is California assault weapon laws, there is no requirement that the stock be permanently fixed.
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Yeah i agree padlock on the stock isn't gonna cut it.
Why not?
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grammaton76 - I thought the weapon OAL had to be 30" to be legit???
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what do you suggest - welding the stock in the open position? Anything permanent will make weapon disassembly impossible or maybe even ruin the receiver...
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grammaton76 - I thought the weapon OAL had to be 30" to be legit???
Agreed, especially since the Sterling can be fired when in the folded position.

I was under the impression that OAL would not need to be permanent so long as the weapon in its shortest fireable configuration was greater than 30".

Now I'm all confused....
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