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Old 02-12-2010, 3:44 PM
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Default M1A Build in 30-06 !?

We enjoy our garand and the carbines but I am looking for a Springfield semi-auto that shoots 30-06 like the garand.

Is it possible/practical to build an M1A in 30-06?
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Old 02-12-2010, 3:45 PM
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Old 02-12-2010, 3:50 PM
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I am not an expert, but IIRC, the action of an M1A is just a little short to fit the .30-06 cartridge length. The other way is easier...
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The receiver is too short. They took the Garand action and shortened it to fit the 7.62 NATO = 7.62x51. The .30-06 is 7.62x63.
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I would think you would have better luck converting a garand to a detachable mag. seems like that wouldn't even be that hard to do. I'm surprised no one has made one yet.
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This ^^ A BM59 type.
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Old 02-12-2010, 5:03 PM
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I would think you would have better luck converting a garand to a detachable mag. seems like that wouldn't even be that hard to do. I'm surprised no one has made one yet.
Oh its been done - by the US Springfield Armory as one of their experimental guns.....although the limiting factor is the mags. In 30-06 they were stuck w/ BAR mags and Springfield determined they don't work well with the Garand's action. The program died as they didn't want to design a new magazine in the middle of a war. That said, there are various hobbyist gunsmiths out there that have done these conversions using BAR mags.
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Just buy a BM59.
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Old 02-12-2010, 5:53 PM
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The BM59 is not in .30-06 like he wants.
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Old 02-12-2010, 5:56 PM
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And what exactly is wrong with an as issued M1 Garand Rifle??
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Old 02-12-2010, 5:58 PM
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He wants it with a detachable magazine.
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Old 02-12-2010, 6:11 PM
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Sounds like he wants to make a T20, the test design that was between the Garand and the M14, which resulted in the discovery that apparently the .30-06 was too long and had problems that resulted in moving to a 51mm cartridge length.

Try to find some reading material on the never adopted test model T20, a .30-06 Garand with detachable box magazine.
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Old 02-12-2010, 6:23 PM
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The x51 design came about from the development of new powders that gave .30-06 ballistics in a shorter more efficient case not because it was too long for a mag fed rifle.
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I am looking for a Springfield semi-auto that shoots 30-06 like the garand.
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He wants it with a detachable magazine.
Mag fed, semi-auto that shoots 30-06 = Model 1918 BAR


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Old 02-12-2010, 8:08 PM
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Thanks for the reply guys. We have a ton of 30-06 plus dies, reloading etc. I have no investment in 308 but want a long range shooter that won't break my BACK. Don't get me wrong I love the Garand but I'm not gonna climb my 30 foot tree stand with the Garand strapped to my back and swing around to fire a round when the buck comes by!

Something lighter then the garand that is semi automatic, has great range, loads with magazine, and is high quality like the Springfield M1A series rifles.

Maybe I should get a Garand Tanker?!

Oh and lets hunt with it and use for self defense at long range.
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Old 02-12-2010, 8:18 PM
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Thanks for the reply guys. We have a ton of 30-06 plus dies, reloading etc. I have no investment in 308 but want a long range shooter that won't break my BACK. Don't get me wrong I love the Garand but I'm not gonna climb my 30 foot tree stand with the Garand strapped to my back and swing around to fire a round when the buck comes by!

Something lighter then the garand that is semi automatic, has great range, loads with magazine, and is high quality like the Springfield M1A series rifles.

Maybe I should get a Garand Tanker?!

Oh and lets hunt with it and use for self defense at long range.
my garand and my m1a's weigh about the same. i mean, they may be a bit different, but i cant tell the difference. and garand clips are 1/30th the price of m1a magazines.... just sayin... maybe get faster with that bolt, my rem 600 mohawk is REALLY light.....
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There is a company advertising conversions for Garands to uses magazines instead of clips. I don't recall the name right now, but when I'm not so tired, I'll try to find the link and post it. I saw this recently on one of the Garand forums.
Now that I think about it, what you should look at is the old Remington semi-auto .30-06 hunting rifles. They used , IIRC, a 4 or 5 shot magazine. Fairly light-weight, much lighter than Garnands. Easy to mount a good scope for long range too.
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Old 02-12-2010, 8:32 PM
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Sounds like he wants to make a T20, the test design that was between the Garand and the M14, which resulted in the discovery that apparently the .30-06 was too long and had problems that resulted in moving to a 51mm cartridge length.

Try to find some reading material on the never adopted test model T20, a .30-06 Garand with detachable box magazine.
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Old 02-12-2010, 8:41 PM
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The x51 design came about from the development of new powders that gave .30-06 ballistics in a shorter more efficient case not because it was too long for a mag fed rifle.
That made it possible, but I don't think the military decided to obsolete the .30-06 in favor of the 7.62x51 just because technology allowed them to make the case a little shorter. Apparently it was because of NATO standardization.

You can certainly fit .30-06 in a magazine, but getting it to work with the semiauto rifle design of the time was problematic from what I have read. The BAR magazine didn't work in full auto, the M1 receiver needed to be lengthened .3125" to accommodate the design change for a box mag and FA. Then WW2 ending killed the T20 development. There were a bunch of changes made from the M1 Garand design to get it to work.

edited after reading some more on what killed the T20, interesting stuff:
http://www.museum.nps.gov/spar/vfpcg...2266,WORDS=m14

http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&gl=us

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Old 02-12-2010, 9:30 PM
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Man the garand and M1A weigh just about the same haha. and the standard M1a is about a inch longer than a M1 garand with a brake on it. Magazines are heavier than enblocs and what the hell would you need a more than 8 rounds of 30-06. Do some research... I would recommend going with Shuffs parkerizing and converting a M1 garand to a Mini G. I use my standard M1 garand for hunting and it does just fine and is not to heavy. Then again the scoped rifle I usually hunt with is a remington 700 SPS V with a HS stock badger hardware and a MK4 scope. I would suggest hitting the weights.
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Old 02-12-2010, 9:54 PM
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+1 on the M1A. A Garand with all the extras. I love my Garands, but if I can only have 1 rifle, than the M1A is hard to beat. Especially true if you grew up shooting Garands.

Keep the Garand 30-06, and shoot the M1A in 308. Both are simular in what they do, and both are built for the same purpose - a main Battle Rifle.

Have both but no combo would be my vote.
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:04 PM
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Shuff's ... Now that's an interesting option. Keep the 30-06, shorten and lighten.

Thanks Chris.
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Old 02-12-2010, 11:35 PM
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No problem. The shuffs Mini G makes a PERFECT brush gun. I plan on doing one of my garands when I have some spare cash. M1a's are nice but for hunting I don't see ANY advantages to it. You can top of a garand clip you can change eject a garand clip and 8 rounds is more than enough. Shuffs turn around time is very fast and he is a Tim is a real stand up fella.
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Old 02-13-2010, 7:06 AM
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I reviewed his Mini G and poured over the information last night on his web site and online. I'm convinced this is the best way to go. Its a Garand just shorter!

I sent Tim an email last night and as luck would have it he has one more unit left out of the 50 he is alowed to sell each year. The last unit is now spoken for!

Tim's Site: http://www.shuffsparkerizing.com/Con...ker_Sniper.php

Review:
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/...clusives_title

Thanks again Chris.
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Old 02-13-2010, 8:36 AM
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No problem bud I'm glad I could help! Also not only does he manufacture them he also builds them from your garand if you have one. So you could always buy a garand and send it to him and like I said his turn around time is extremely quick! Well don't leave us hanging and make sure to start a thread and post pics when you get it!
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I really can't tell how many I have let because it's not really a sale until the check comes My best guess is I'm now sold out but if checks don't show up I keep selling. I now let folks know right up front that I may have to return their payments. I hope that makes sense, I just don't know another way to do it.
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