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Interesting article. So the only cops that are in EPA are ones that have given the department a reputation of being corrupt. The city is not willing to pay for police at a rate that's at least in the middle of the pack compared to other cities, and the ones they hire can't hang with the danger of EPA so they pack up and go to other cities that are willing to hire them. Meanwhile, EPA is left with cops that can't get a job with another police department. There is so much fail in this scenario, I don't know where to begin.

If the city really wanted to clean the place up, they could do it. It's just a matter of putting priorities in order and then going from the greater threat down to the least annoying problems. It would seem, if I had a say in it, that I would work with the sheriff's department and state authorities and form a task force to deal with the gang problems first off. As I understand it, that accounts for a small number of the population, but if arrested and jailed, deals with the majority of the crime. The next step would be to reevaluate the police chief and determine what kind of job he's doing. If it's substandard, get rid of him and hire someone from the outside that can do a good job and a rate of pay that makes people want to go there. Then start cleaning house, and get rid of the corruption that pervades the department.

It would probably take some time, but time is what got EPA like that and only time will clean it up. In the mean time, there are the problem children like Tuason that should be dealt with as they present themselves. They could begin the process by eliminating him.
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Can someone please enlighten me. Is "...turds..." a racial term for any non-white person? I ask because I honestly don't know, I've never heard the term used in this context before this thread started.
I have heard turd and other defecatory references used as a slur referring primarily to black people. I cannot say that this is what Det. Tuason meant but since EPA has the largest (by percentage) population of African-Americans on the Peninsula the possibility cannot be dismissed out of hand.
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The picture is of Chief Ronald L. Davis, and this is his Bio

Here's his facebook page, and guess what, he supports Kamala Harris for state attorney general.
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Unfortunately, many here will paint all LEO with this brush. This idiot has tarnished a reputation that I have been trying to build here. I have attempted to foster a belief in you "civilians" that there are good cops out there, and that most of us are not out to grab your guns. Unfortunately, the vocal minority like this genius always gets the most attention. Thanks a ton pal.

It makes me sick that there are people like this in my profession...people who think that the badge and gun makes them better than the average citizen. Disgusting.
I want to thank you for that. I moved to Seattle from California many years ago and to let you know, this story HAS gone viral and is nationwide now. You have given me hope that there are "honorable" men out there tasked to "protect and serve" in which the police were originally implemented for. I have met many LEO's, some have been bad apples, some have been, like you, honorable that have my utmost respect. Have you heard of the "Oathkeepers" if so are you a member? I am not sure if you have followed the news in Seattle but we have lost 5 officers in the last 4 or so months due to people shooting them. The 4 we lost most recently to that guy that got out of jail on bail when he should have been locked away for life due to the three strikes law basically made them legislate new laws regarding weekend bail attempts. They are now required to sit in jail until they can actually see a judge. But anyways, I just wanted to register, log in and thank you for your honorable service to your community and to say that my family always has thoughts and prayers for honorable men/women in Law Enforcement and men like you do give us faith that there is hope for our society.
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The picture is of Chief Ronald L. Davis, and this is his Bio

Here's his facebook page, and guess what, he supports Kamala Harris for state attorney general.
I am completely clueless.... What does the Chief's support for Kamala Harris have to do with this thread?
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Training in this context is backed by Federal courts and Federal Civil Rights law.

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Is this a statement of intent on the part of CGF to become directly involved in bringing this to the attention of the Federal Courts? There is no one voice currently speaking up for the firearms community in this issue. Will CGF take this lead or will it be left to the unorganized UOC movement?
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I am completely clueless.... What does the Chief's support for Kamala Harris have to do with this thread?
Well, if her lack of prosecuting criminals in San Francisco is any indication of how he treats crime, I can understand why East Palo Alto is the way it is. Do you think he would endorse her if he didn't agree with her? They're not even in the same county, so he doesn't need to concern himself with pleasing his county district attorney. I presented it with giving a little insight into the environment that creates the dynamics that make up East Palo Alto and an atmosphere that may create the kind of attitude that Tuason displayed on his facebook page. As I said before, Tuason's attitude didn't just happen, it had to be cultivated and nurtured. Since Kamala Harris is seriously anti-gun, it stands to reason that so is Ronald Davis, and that rabid antigun attitude trickles down to Davis' subordinates.
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A letter is going out today. They will ignore it at their own legal peril.

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Is this a statement of intent on the part of CGF to become directly involved in bringing this to the attention of the Federal Courts? There is no one voice currently speaking up for the firearms community in this issue. Will CGF take this lead or will it be left to the unorganized UOC movement?
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Well, if her lack of prosecuting criminals in San Francisco is any indication of how he treats crime, I can understand why East Palo Alto is the way it is. Do you think he would endorse her if he didn't agree with her? They're not even in the same county, so he doesn't need to concern himself with pleasing his county district attorney. I presented it with giving a little insight into the environment that creates the dynamics that make up East Palo Alto and an atmosphere that may create the kind of attitude that Tuason displayed on his facebook page. As I said before, Tuason's attitude didn't just happen, it had to be cultivated and nurtured. Since Kamala Harris is seriously anti-gun, it stands to reason that so is Ronald Davis, and that rabid antigun attitude trickles down to Davis' subordinates.
Ah.... I was just missing the connection of anti-gun attitudes and a lackadaisical approach to actually solving crimes.
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Ah.... I was just missing the connection of anti-gun attitudes and a lackadaisical approach to actually solving crimes.
Yeah, I'm notorious for giving the answer without showing the work. sorry.
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Unfortunately, many here will paint all LEO with this brush. This idiot has tarnished a reputation that I have been trying to build here. I have attempted to foster a belief in you "civilians" that there are good cops out there, and that most of us are not out to grab your guns. Unfortunately, the vocal minority like this genius always gets the most attention. Thanks a ton pal.

It makes me sick that there are people like this in my profession...people who think that the badge and gun makes them better than the average citizen. Disgusting.
If you do not want to be painted with that broad brush, work from the inside out, not the outside in. Bad cops are known by the cops that work with them. "Civilians" only learn of bad cops when they and their views/actions are made public by investigation or by stupidity.

As a LEO you are granted a level of respect due to your position by the vast majority of "civilians". Earned or not. I think that LEO's deserve my respect when they earn my respect. I have little expectation that LE will respect law abiding citizens. The treatment that UOC'ers receive by LEO's is evidence of the lack of respect that LE has for law abiding citizens exercising their constitutional rights.

"Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner", this is an excerpt from Missouri firearms statute. A citizen, exercising UOC rights is most likely not violating this definition of Unlawful use of a weapon.

But, LE does not take this into account. Does a reasonable person think that a person with a weapon on their hip, plainly visible is a danger to the public given a legal definition of unlawful use? Will that person unlawfully use the weapon? Making it home after your sift is the trick in LE. Someone has to do the job. A mindset that all MWG reports are potential violent situations is the wrong mindset.

Use your training, observable behaviors and reasonable judgment when dealing with MWG calls. You may find that UOC'ers will give you the same level of respect you first give them. Earn that respect most folks give LE every day.
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I certainly hope someone in the right place looks deeply into this POS LEOs background. Every move this a hole has made from the beginning of his career until now needs to be scrutinized. His statement has outed him as someone who has no remorse taking an innocent life to the point where it appears he would do it just to get a couple weeks off work. Its not out of the realm of possibility, judging by the comment, that he has executed an innocent citizen in the past and got away with it, which could be the reason for his cavalier attitude towards murdering citizens.

This little slip could be insight to a greater problem with this LEO. If he has no regard for the constitutional rights of citizen, no regard for the rule of law, and no regard for human life, who knows how far he has gone during his career. Assault? Murder? Drugs? Bribery? Spousal abuse? Child porn? Who knows?! This guy is obviously sick, the question is, how sick is he?
Good luck with that, Leo's is this state are protected. I filled a complaint against a game warden years ago, you can't see there personnel files, prior complaints against them and they won't even tell you the disciplinary decision made against them from your complaint, only whether the complaint was sustained or unsustained.
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If you do not want to be painted with that broad brush, work from the inside out, not the outside in. Bad cops are known by the cops that work with them. "Civilians" only learn of bad cops when they and their views/actions are made public by investigation or by stupidity.

As a LEO you are granted a level of respect due to your position by the vast majority of "civilians". Earned or not. I think that LEO's deserve my respect when they earn my respect. I have little expectation that LE will respect law abiding citizens. The treatment that UOC'ers receive by LEO's is evidence of the lack of respect that LE has for law abiding citizens exercising their constitutional rights.

"Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner", this is an excerpt from Missouri firearms statute. A citizen, exercising UOC rights is most likely not violating this definition of Unlawful use of a weapon.

But, LE does not take this into account. Does a reasonable person think that a person with a weapon on their hip, plainly visible is a danger to the public given a legal definition of unlawful use? Will that person unlawfully use the weapon? Making it home after your sift is the trick in LE. Someone has to do the job. A mindset that all MWG reports are potential violent situations is the wrong mindset.

Use your training, observable behaviors and reasonable judgment when dealing with MWG calls. You may find that UOC'ers will give you the same level of respect you first give them. Earn that respect most folks give LE every day.

No respect for these fools. non what so ever. These so called "cops" have rejected their oath to defend the rights of the people. the police chief on down to the meter reader are probably all corrupt. I say this becuase of the way this has been handled.

this bad cop should have had his badge and weapon pulled. Since the chief did not do this, the chief nneeds to go, since the mayor is supporting the chief, the mayor needs to go. this comes down to elections, we need to support local cannidates that support gun rights, that is how we will get a sheriff that will issue conceled permits, that is how we will weed out the scum that occupy high places and allow, no ingourage this assult on human rights.

this cop commnets is no different than if he stated he would murder Rosa Parks will proned out on the ground, for taking the whites only seat in the front of the bus.

we need to get this guy fired, the chief fired, the mayor fired, and the whole department giving training on what it is to be American. Maybe some grade school level education on the Constitution and Bill of Rights are needed for this crimminal so called "police force"

no respect ever for this type of behavior. I have no respect for local law enforcement when they daily violate our Civil rights, be it the high and mighty sheriff that refuses to issue Conceled carry permits, to the gun buy back program loving politicans, or the cop that thinks it would be a nice two weeks off with pay if he murders a freeperson. disgusting totally disgusting.
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Good luck with that, Leo's is this state are protected. I filled a complaint against a game warden years ago, you can't see there personnel files, prior complaints against them and they won't even tell you the disciplinary decision made against them from your complaint, only whether the complaint was sustained or unsustained.
they wont let you see the record, but by golly if you get pulled over for a tail light out, the cops have a computerized instant check, they know all your priors as soon as they run your license number.

this is sick, puplic employees that can hide their actions from the public.
all disipline records for all public employees should be published, as should their salaries. Maybe we the civilans would then be able to regain control of our out of control jack booted thug run government
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Can someone please enlighten me. Is "...turds..." a racial term for any non-white person? I ask because I honestly don't know, I've never heard the term used in this context before this thread started.
I believe he means bad guys.
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Good luck with that, Leo's is this state are protected. I filled a complaint against a game warden years ago, you can't see there personnel files, prior complaints against them and they won't even tell you the disciplinary decision made against them from your complaint, only whether the complaint was sustained or unsustained.
All of that information can be gathered with a subpeona but for that you need a lawyer. As for not being told the disposition of your complaint they lied to you. You, as the person initiating the complaint, have the right to know the finding of the investigation. The fact that they would not tell you leads me to believe they filed your complaint in the square file right after you walked out of the door. I'm seen it happen many times.
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No respect for these fools. non what so ever. These so called "cops" have rejected their oath to defend the rights of the people. the police chief on down to the meter reader are probably all corrupt. I say this becuase of the way this has been handled.

this bad cop should have had his badge and weapon pulled. Since the chief did not do this, the chief nneeds to go, since the mayor is supporting the chief, the mayor needs to go. this comes down to elections, we need to support local cannidates that support gun rights, that is how we will get a sheriff that will issue conceled permits, that is how we will weed out the scum that occupy high places and allow, no ingourage this assult on human rights.

this cop commnets is no different than if he stated he would murder Rosa Parks will proned out on the ground, for taking the whites only seat in the front of the bus.

we need to get this guy fired, the chief fired, the mayor fired, and the whole department giving training on what it is to be American. Maybe some grade school level education on the Constitution and Bill of Rights are needed for this crimminal so called "police force"

no respect ever for this type of behavior. I have no respect for local law enforcement when they daily violate our Civil rights, be it the high and mighty sheriff that refuses to issue Conceled carry permits, to the gun buy back program loving politicans, or the cop that thinks it would be a nice two weeks off with pay if he murders a freeperson. disgusting totally disgusting.
Dude, your painting them all with the same brush. Take a second to recall how that feels when it is done to us. It's not fair, it's divisive, and it hurts our cause.
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Is this guy really in here? I can't find this post

edit: found it. wowwy wow.

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Dude, your painting them all with the same brush. Take a second to recall how that feels when it is done to us. It's not fair, it's divisive, and it hurts our cause.
Dude: the only ones I am painting with the same brush are the so called police man that made the death threats, his chief for failing to fire him, and the mayor for defending him, and not calling for his firing.

any cop that enforces the Un-Constituional gun las is bad, any sherif the refuses to grant qualified persons a conceled carry permit get zero respect, since the head sheriff makes this choice, to deny conceled permits, it likely influneces his whole department one way or another.
Now if you have a policeperson that refuses to arrest for Un-Constitutional gun laws, who openly advocates conceled carry permits for all qualified citizens, and whoopenly calls for firing bad cops that make death threats to open carry folks, then there is the possibility of respect.

sad that som many cops can be p[ainted with the same brush, years of anti-gun indoctrination by political officails and anti-gun police chiefs has resulted in entire police forces that do not respect our Rights.

sad but true. that is why the gun battle needs to be wagerd at the local level, in city council races, sheriff races and such, these are the folks that control police policy. In many areas of california we have anti-gunners running the police.
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I find it terribly ironic that a few E.P.A. cops would take offense at someone making an excessive display with their firearms and then proceed to brag about making an excessive display with their firearms.

Men who still see firearms as their personal toys for aggressive machismo displays are exactly the people who should not have firearms. Unfortunately for us responsible firearms owners, they both reflect badly on us.
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. . . Nuff said. A similar generalized comment about 2A advocates would be understandably met with condemnation here.
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That part I understand, but what does it have to do with training the PD?
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All of that information can be gathered with a subpeona but for that you need a lawyer. As for not being told the disposition of your complaint they lied to you. You, as the person initiating the complaint, have the right to know the finding of the investigation. The fact that they would not tell you leads me to believe they filed your complaint in the square file right after you walked out of the door. I'm seen it happen many times.
Without searching it out, I think that the Police Officers "Bill of Rights" (<---kinda ironic if you think about the name here), in CA law, says that whatever happens as a result of a "formal" complaint doesnt get disclosed. They will tell you all sorts of things that happened to the Officer if your complaint is "informal" however. The problem with that is that you just dont know if they are just stroking you so that you just go away and not file a formal complaint.

But like anything. you can get this information with an attorney, by subpeana , in a lawsuit if the court agrees with your need.

As a matter of fact, the dynamics of a formal complaint will change the whole picture. I dont think you need standing like a court case, so has anyone gone down to EPA PD and made a formal complant? Just curious....
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Dude: ....Now if you have a police person that....openly calls for firing bad cops that make death threats to open carry folks....
That is a LEO that has a very short career in LE. If EPA cops get that 4K-6K a month, way more than I get, why would they jeopardize that gig?
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. . . Nuff said. A similar generalized comment about 2A advocates would be understandably met with condemnation here.
I am not comdemmignthem all, just making an observation based on this cops actions and the actions or lack or actions by other cops his boss, and mayor. They dont seem to think he did anything wrong. (wonder what would happen to me if I made a death threat to cops that hassle gun owners????)

actually in my town, just up the road from EPA, the chief and the parking cop were running an illegal ticket scheme, I stopped it cold, even the city attorney agreed it was illegal, they stopped and i got the ticket dismissed, few months later they were back at it again. same ticket scheme, I called the chief, he wondered why I was bothering as it was total strangers i saw being ticketed, I told him to dismiss them tickets now or it would go to the press. been a few years, as far as i can tell they have finally stopped the ticket scheme. it raked in about $10,000 per year for them. They were not happy, but they sure had no probelm with breaking the law so long as money was coming in, even after the city attorney advised they would stop.

I have no reason to believe east palo alto is any different when the chief and mayor stand up for this crooked death threatening cop.

find me a cop that will refuse to arrest for un-Constituional gun laws, show me the cops that are publically wanting this bad EPA cops ouster? after all if there are so many good cops out there, you would think there would be lots of them demanding he be fired. Or maybe they pretty much agree with that cop????

that coupled with the three cops that hassled the open carry man in Livermore a while ago (while ready to shot him dead with one of their evil black assualt rifles no less!) make me think cops have a lot of work on their hands before they get any respect.

maybe were you live is different, I live in the hot bed of liberal anti-gun police departments. Your civil rights mean nothing to these folks.

now where are all the "good" cops standing up to get this guy fired, I dont see any cops taking time to protest this cop, I dont see the police union sanctioning him in anyway. Seems to me they should drop this cop and run from him, instead they close ranks and support him. that says something about the local cops don't it?

this is why local election are so important. cal guns should do all they can to rid the city of the mayor and police chief in the next election. we need a house cleaning in our police departments.

my best guess is the whole of the police department support this rights hating cop. he certainly is getting cover by his boss, and mayor, he is back on active duty. wonder if his partner likes riding with a rights hating cop? any good cop would refuse to be his partner, he needs to be removed.

Now if any EPA cop has called for his ouster, or some other substantial punishment, i will stand corrected. so far, their silence is deafening

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I ask those of you looking for movement to be patient. When we ask for the system to work we must give it an opportunity to work. Allow EPAPD a reasonable amount of time to review the situation and CGF's letter. If an unreasonable amount of time does elapse, or if they elect to ignore the letter, make no mistake that this issue will be followed up on.

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I ask those of you looking for movement to be patient. When we ask for the system to work we must give it an opportunity to work. Allow EPAPD a reasonable amount of time to review the situation and CGF's letter. If an unreasonable amount of time does elapse, or if they elect to ignore the letter, make no mistake that this issue will be followed up on.

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Fair words of wisdom wildhawker. I understand that these things take time; so is March 1st a fair target date?
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All of that information can be gathered with a subpeona but for that you need a lawyer. As for not being told the disposition of your complaint they lied to you. You, as the person initiating the complaint, have the right to know the finding of the investigation. The fact that they would not tell you leads me to believe they filed your complaint in the square file right after you walked out of the door. I'm seen it happen many times.
Your simply sent a letter with each accusation and it states sustained or unsustained....but never the outcome as wether they were suspended or terminated you are not told. In my case the officer was found found to have committed 3 out of 4 accusations, and I don't belive anything was done to him....all misdemeanors.
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I ask those of you looking for movement to be patient. When we ask for the system to work we must give it an opportunity to work. Allow EPAPD a reasonable amount of time to review the situation and CGF's letter. If an unreasonable amount of time does elapse, or if they elect to ignore the letter, make no mistake that this issue will be followed up on.

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can someone post a link to his "apology" on the board? thx
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Story up on http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly...story_id=12430 now.
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Wow, don’t take much to get everyone’s panties in a wad. Some off duty cop mouths off, when off duty, on his face book page and all the UOC folks go nuts. Amazing… when they were told not to UOC they did it anyway. They were told the CGF would not assist them if there was an issue. I guess if this is what you need to fan the flames, go for it.

My guess is the next this you will see is emergency legislation to ban UOC. So you wanted the attention, my guess is it’s on its way. Time will tell.
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can someone post a link to his "apology" on the board? thx
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answered after each point...........

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Right.

In order of importance:

1) Make sure that this guy is evaluated so that the public is safe. ( bet it does not happen)

2) Make sure that appropriate disciplinary measures are taken. Both as punishment for him and deterrence for others. (none will be taken)

3) Make sure that the EPAPD understands the importance of good public relations, and the importance of firearm owner's rights. (your kidding, Right?)

We really need to get the message out that owning a gun does not make you a criminal. Also, mere possession of a gun, either in plain sight, or concealed, by a law abiding citizen, should not be a reason to get shot.

Folks, what is happening now is that Calguns (both the forum and the foundation) is getting powerful, and getting noticed. It is important to focus our power in such a way as to expand the rights of gun owners in California.

(If thats the case, then the power should be used for worth wild endevors. Not some off duty cop mouthing off on his face book page. If we jump on every band wagon, you will become part of the background noise.)
That should always be our primary focus in everything we do.

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LOL, you are assuming that there was a question pending. . .



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this is the internet.......who need a question!!!

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LOL, you are assuming that there was a question pending. . .

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Ha!

Good point!



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I have posted CGF's letter to East Palo Alto in the following thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=269541

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A letter is going out today. They will ignore it at their own legal peril.
That is really good to hear. I knew you folks at CGF wouldn't let this slide that easily.

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No respect for these fools. non what so ever. These so called "cops" have rejected their oath to defend the rights of the people. the police chief on down to the meter reader are probably all corrupt. I say this becuase of the way this has been handled.

this bad cop should have had his badge and weapon pulled. Since the chief did not do this, the chief nneeds to go, since the mayor is supporting the chief, the mayor needs to go. this comes down to elections, we need to support local cannidates that support gun rights, that is how we will get a sheriff that will issue conceled permits, that is how we will weed out the scum that occupy high places and allow, no ingourage this assult on human rights.

this cop commnets is no different than if he stated he would murder Rosa Parks will proned out on the ground, for taking the whites only seat in the front of the bus.

we need to get this guy fired, the chief fired, the mayor fired, and the whole department giving training on what it is to be American. Maybe some grade school level education on the Constitution and Bill of Rights are needed for this crimminal so called "police force"

no respect ever for this type of behavior. I have no respect for local law enforcement when they daily violate our Civil rights, be it the high and mighty sheriff that refuses to issue Conceled carry permits, to the gun buy back program loving politicans, or the cop that thinks it would be a nice two weeks off with pay if he murders a freeperson. disgusting totally disgusting.
It took me awhile to decipher what you were saying. Without rehashing the drama about spelling and grammar that took place in this very thread and was deleted, please try and take the time to present your argument in a way that doesn't make our community look like we were raised on Hooked on Phonics.

Most glaringly, it is not, "canceled" carry permits, it's "concealed" carry permits. What you said means something else entirely.

That doesn't even begin to address the fact that you seem to want results instantly, and have zero faith in the system to even get results in this matter. You have condemned the entire system and the people in it, including the chief of police and the mayor, who have done nothing wrong, and for no reason. This leads me to believe you are either a troll or a plant sent here to make us look like a community of lunatics.
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