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Old 01-30-2010, 5:06 PM
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I strolled into a Big 5 today and was quite surprised to see a "Colt M4" in 223 on the shelf. It even had a bayonet lug (as well as a collapsible stock and pistol grip). I didn't get a close look but I did notice the magazine had a see-through slit to show that it was not a 20rd mag.

Can you get more mainstream than that? It made my day.
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They are not .223. They are .22lr carbines.
Did the magazine look like this?
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I strolled into a Big 5 today and was quite surprised to see a "Colt M4" in 223 on the shelf. It even had a bayonet lug (as well as a collapsible stock and pistol grip). I didn't get a close look but I did notice the magazine had a see-through slit to show that it was not a 20rd mag.

Can you get more mainstream than that? It made my day.
69Mach1 corrected the caliber question, but you're right, I was excited to see semi-auto centerfire rifles start to line the racks mid-last year or so....Garands, Carbines, Minis......OLRs must be right around the corner....
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They are not .223. They are .22lr carbines.
Did the magazine look like this?
You're right, too bad. I could have sworn I saw that the tag said "223". But that is what the magazine looked like. It was the Colt 22LR look-alike.
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69Mach1 corrected the caliber question, but you're right, I was excited to see semi-auto centerfire rifles start to line the racks mid-last year or so....Garands, Carbines, Minis......OLRs must be right around the corner....
Now if we could just get them to support anti-ammo BS... they have repeatedly dodged inquiries as to their vehement unwillingness to support our anti-AB962 campaign.
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Now if we could just get them to support anti-ammo BS... they have repeatedly dodged inquiries as to their vehement unwillingness to support our anti-AB962 campaign.
Hmmmm, duly noted. [insert thinking cap smiley here]
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12276. As used in this chapter, "assault weapon" shall mean the following designated semiautomatic firearms:
(a) All of the following specified rifles:
(1) All AK series including, but not limited to, the models identified as follows:
(A) Made in China AK, AKM, AKS, AK47, AK47S, 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(B) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(C) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47.
(D) MAADI AK47 and ARM.
(2) UZI and Galil.
(3) Beretta AR-70.
(4) CETME Sporter.
(5) Colt AR-15 series.
(6) Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR110 C.
(7) Fabrique Nationale FAL, LAR, FNC, 308 Match, and Sporter.
(8) MAS 223.
(9) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, and HK-PSG-1
(10) The following MAC types:
(A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11.
(B) SWD Incorporated M11.
(11) SKS with detachable magazine.
(12) SIG AMT, PE-57, SG 550, and SG 551.
(13) Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48.
(14) Sterling MK-6.
(15) Steyer AUG.
(16) Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78S.
(17) Armalite AR-180.
(18) Bushmaster Assault Rifle.
(19) Calico M-900.
(20) J&R ENG M-68.
(21) Weaver Arms Nighthawk.
(b) All of the following specified pistols:
(1) UZI.
(2) Encom MP-9 and MP-45.
(3) The following MAC types:
(A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11.
(B) SWD Incorporated M-11.
(C) Advance Armament Inc. M-11.
(D) Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11.
(4) Intratec TEC-9.
(5) Sites Spectre.
(6) Sterling MK-7.
(7) Calico M-950.
(8) Bushmaster Pistol.
(c) All of the following specified shotguns:
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(2) Striker 12.
(3) The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12.
(d) Any firearm declared by the court pursuant to Section 12276.5 to be an assault weapon that is specified as an assault weapon in a list promulgated pursuant to Section 12276.5.
(e) The term "series" includes all other models that are only variations, with minor differences, of those models listed in subdivision (a), regardless of the manufacturer.
(f) This section is declaratory of existing law, as amended, and a clarification of the law and the Legislature's intent which bans the weapons enumerated in this section, the weapons included in the list promulgated by the Attorney General pursuant to Section 12276.5, and any other models which are only variations of those weapons with minor differences, regardless of the manufacturer. The Legislature has defined assault weapons as the types, series, and models listed in this section because it was the most effective way to identify and restrict a specific class of semiautomatic weapons.
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12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
(b) The Legislature finds a significant public purpose in exempting pistols that are designed expressly for use in Olympic target shooting events. Therefore, those pistols that are sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States, and that are used for Olympic target shooting purposes at the time the act adding this subdivision is enacted, and that would otherwise fall within the definition of "assault weapon" pursuant to this section are exempt, as provided in subdivision (c).
(c) "Assault weapon" does not include either of the following:
(1) Any antique firearm.
(2) Any of the following pistols, because they are consistent with the significant public purpose expressed in subdivision (b):
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BENELLI MP90 .22LR
BENELLI MP90 .32 S&W LONG
BENELLI MP95 .22LR
BENELLI MP95 .32 S&W LONG
HAMMERLI 280 .22LR
HAMMERLI 280 .32 S&W LONG
HAMMERLI SP20 .22LR
HAMMERLI SP20 .32 S&W LONG
PARDINI GPO .22 SHORT
PARDINI GP-SCHUMANN .22 SHORT
PARDINI HP .32 S&W LONG
PARDINI MP .32 S&W LONG
PARDINI SP .22LR
PARDINI SPE .22LR
WALTHER GSP .22LR
WALTHER GSP .32 S&W LONG
WALTHER OSP .22 SHORT
WALTHER OSP-2000 .22 SHORT

(3) The Department of Justice shall create a program that is consistent with the purposes stated in subdivision (b) to exempt new models of competitive pistols that would otherwise fall within the definition of "assault weapon" pursuant to this section from being classified as an assault weapon. The exempt competitive pistols may be based on recommendations by USA Shooting consistent with the regulations contained in the USA Shooting Official Rules or may be based on the recommendation or rules of any other organization that the department deems relevant.
(d) The following definitions shall apply under this section:
(1) "Magazine" shall mean any ammunition feeding device.
(2) "Capacity to accept more than 10 rounds" shall mean capable of accommodating more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include a feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(3) "Antique firearm" means any firearm manufactured prior to January 1, 1899.
(e) This section shall become operative January 1, 2000.
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sorry off-topic here but would the umarex .22lr magazine work with cmmg .22lr conversion bolt?
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sorry off-topic here but would the umarex .22lr magazine work with cmmg .22lr conversion bolt?
AFAIK, the answer to that is NO. The umarex mag is different from the S&W mag, which is different from the cmmg/black dog/ciener/atchison/colt (conversion) mag.
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I recognize your sarcasm, but here is some hope...
Glad someone got it...

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Isn't that where the thingie goes up?
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Isn't that where the thingie goes up?
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AFAIK, the answer to that is NO. The umarex mag is different from the S&W mag, which is different from the cmmg/black dog/ciener/atchison/colt (conversion) mag.
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No. No it's not.

Sorry I just couldn't resist...............
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Sorry I just couldn't resist...............
LOL. it would have been great if you posted the pic of McCarthy.....
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LOL. it would have been great if you posted the pic of McCarthy.....
Wish I would have thought of posting one of her. But everytime I see her face I spit up in my mouth.
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Wish I would have thought of posting one of her. But everytime I see her face I spit up in my mouth.
I just tried to post it and my firefox pic blocker wouldn't let me....
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Now if we could just get them to support anti-ammo BS... they have repeatedly dodged inquiries as to their vehement unwillingness to support our anti-AB962 campaign.
I talked to a couple managers late last year that were really angry about AB962 before it'd gone through and one that had no clue about it. I bet if a bunch of community chapters started hounding their local stores it would work its way up stream and they'd have to get it on it!
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I strolled into a Big 5 today and was quite surprised to see a "Colt M4" in 223 on the shelf. It even had a bayonet lug (as well as a collapsible stock and pistol grip). I didn't get a close look but I did notice the magazine had a see-through slit to show that it was not a 20rd mag.

Can you get more mainstream than that? It made my day.
i thought the same thing. my mouth nearly hit the floor when i saw a M4style Ar on their shelf p;us some other styles tucked in behind it..than i noticed..oh its a 22, and the others were rugers tactical 10/22
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69Mach1 corrected the caliber question, but you're right, I was excited to see semi-auto centerfire rifles start to line the racks mid-last year or so....Garands, Carbines, Minis......OLRs must be right around the corner....
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The rifles I listed are semi-auto centerfire rifles. Garands, Carbines, Minis.....
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The rifles I listed are semi-auto centerfire rifles. Garands, Carbines, Minis.....
This is true. I like that Big 5 has upgraded their firearms offerings. I remember when I first got into firearms, milsurp was my addiction and so I was there all the time checking out the latest Mosins and Mausers. I was dismayed that they never seemed to carry SmLE's or Garands and Carbines. They carried that weird Frenchie rifle for a while, the MAS 36, but I never bought one because it was in an odd caliber.
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nope.

The umarex .22lr M4 just looks like a standard AR15, the internals are not interchangable at all. IIRC, just the furniture is compatible.

the umarex M4 is not an AR15 lower with a dedicated .22lr upper.
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i heard they have a bunch of problems too and for the price it would be better to just get a dedicated 22lr upper for an existing AR, or buy a a ruger sr22 or Sig522
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