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S&W MP15-22 24 41.38%
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Default S&W MP15-22 vs. Sig 522... help me pick!

alright guys I've narrowed my choices down to these two but I can't decide which one to get! they seem to be around the same price and I was able to handle both and liked them both.... and no getting both is not an option for me! so what are the pros and cons of each of them? need some advice from you guys who have already made the purchase!
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There is way more plastic on the S&W. then you find on the Sig. I have handled both and the Sig feels most like a gun out of the two. Sig is also easy to field strip and clean. Plus it has a folding stock and heavy barrel.

If I were you I would wait a few months and see if Sig actually starts shipping the 522 with the BUIs like they are telling people at SHOT show.
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ohh good to know! I didn't know they were talking about doing that
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Got the S&W, good fun and you can add lot's of custom stuff to it. I have run a couple of hundred of rounds through it without a FTF or any other issues. The only challenge so far is trying to get extra mag's for it.

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Handled both,own the SIG,still haven't shot it. The SIG feels better to me(more metal for sure),
looks better then the S&W without a FH. S&W has had problems with
blown extractors---they WILL fix them of course but if it happens to
you and you have to send it back----well. Check the S&W forum under
"Long Guns"--there is a lot of info,you decide. You do have to BUY sights for the
SIG making it more expensive--however you get what you pay for!The SIG
folding stock is much more sturdy/rigid and compact then the "tube" type collapsibles.
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CCRBUM - Just got an email from botachtactical saying they have the MP 15 22 in stock and on sale for $399...
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WOW that's cheap!!!!!!
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you should be able to buy a black sig 522 for 449$ or green for $469 & consider their overall build to be better than s&w. i don't care for the s&w cheap plastic top rail which really reduces the weapons' weight
buis can be acquired for as little as 50$ or over 200$ it's up to you

can you get somewhere that has both in stock so you can hold them
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Just FYI - Botach Tactical/Defense also has Sig 522 in stock and on sale for $439.95... decisions... decisions...
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can you get somewhere that has both in stock so you can hold them
that would probably answer your question
yeah I was able to do that on thursday. there were things I did and didn't like about both. I agree the the S&W does feel a little more fake due to not having much metal and it felt front heavy to me and not very well balanced. But for some reason the pistol grip on the Sig seemed small to me and I felt like my pinky finger wanted to slip off and I'm not sure have I feel about the stock. but I can easily over look these problems based on the performance of gun .. so that's why I'm trying to get some advice. And optics are not a real problem because I'm gonna put a 1x4 scope on top of it ... seems that the popular opinion is to go with the Sig so far!
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Go with the Sig, buy a hogue rubber grip and put it on the pistol grip, that's what I did.

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Can you get a Sig with the Rails and FH like the one here in the photo? Is so
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Handled both,own the SIG,still haven't shot it. The SIG feels better to me(more metal for sure),
looks better then the S&W without a FH. S&W has had problems with
blown extractors---they WILL fix them of course but if it happens to
you and you have to send it back----well. Check the S&W forum under
"Long Guns"--there is a lot of info,you decide. You do have to BUY sights for the
SIG making it more expensive--however you get what you pay for!The SIG
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Can you get a Sig with the Rails and FH like the one here in the photo? Is so
what is the total cost?

The FH yes---the rail no--that is extra--the rail(part) is $350.Mine has a USED rail off a SWAT 556 which I paid under $200 for.The rail is some type of METAL not PLASTIC like the S&W--again you get what you pay for! SIG will make the
SWAT 522 with the rail at some point but will cost more then the
standard version,one sold here(SWAT rifle with rail) at RIFLEGEAR for $739.

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https://www.cogunsales.com/index.php...emart&Itemid=1

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I have both. Both are great rifles.

The smith is a tad lighter, great for girls or plinking at an indoor stand up range.
Its also a tad cheaper and comes with iron sights, right out of the box you are plinking.
Yes its all plastic but its plastic where it's needed. The idea is not to make a battlefield mil spec rifle, but rather a light AR trainer rifle for police depts and civilians that is as close to the original as possible. And it does that VERY well.
The bad on the smith is that the trigger is gritty and the mag is only made by smith. Hard to find right now, who knows about later.
My smith is also more accurate than my Sig.

My Sig is metal framed and a tad heavier. The Sig trigger is smooth like a target stage trigger. The Sig uses blackdog mags which are affordable and easy to find in bulk. (buy the blackdog mag loader!)
The Sig also uses plastic but only on its lower, stock and handguard.
The Sig also has a threaded flash hider for future options.

But the lack of Sig iron sights means this rifle cannot be shot right out of the box. A front sight thread I did is here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...=1#post3582864) So add on another $100-200 for some sort of sights or red dot scope.


Both rifles used cheap red box Federal just fine and only had 1 or 2 misfeeds in 500rds. Both are fun to shoot and easily usable by a beginner for training.

In my opinion, I liked shooting the Sig more and intend to shoot it more than the Smith. I will keep the Smith for friends and pure AR training. But in the end, the Sig cost about $200 more to set up. My next .22 will be the Tavor when it comes. It's fun to collect rifles you can actually afford to shoot.

If money is not an issue, I'd get the Sig.

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good info guys! I know JK Supply has a S&W in stock but I gotta find out about them getting me a Sig. and again I'm planning on running my 1x4 scope on either one I get so I'm not as concerned about the irons but still good to know! I do like that the S&W can be set up to pretty much replicate my AR but I don't like how hard it is to get mags for it right now. That's once nice VERY appealing thing about the Sig is the ease of acquiring more mags at a decent price!
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In looks alone I like the Sig. But remember the smith has been out a while n proven itself n has good reviews while the 522 does not n has not and yet to prove itself.
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The metal upper of the Sig is worth it IMO. Its a great rfile and adds diversity to your collection.
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good info guys! I know JK Supply has a S&W in stock but I gotta find out about them getting me a Sig. and again I'm planning on running my 1x4 scope on either one I get so I'm not as concerned about the irons but still good to know! I do like that the S&W can be set up to pretty much replicate my AR but I don't like how hard it is to get mags for it right now. That's once nice VERY appealing thing about the Sig is the ease of acquiring more mags at a decent price!
i got the brownells smoked 25 rnd extra mag from blackdogmachine & it's on sale for only 20$ & also holds 27 rounds
also get a christies thumb loader too as you're gonna wanna save your finger loading the magazine
really simple by pressing the rounds for you



just @ my local dealer & picked up the s&w; again
can't wrap my head around it's lightness ie. i'd pass on the smith & stick w/sig
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i got the brownells smoked 25 rnd extra mag from blackdogmachine & it's on sale for only 20$ & also holds 27 rounds
also get a christies thumb loader too as you're gonna wanna save your finger loading the magazine
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just @ my local dealer & picked up the s&w; again
can't wrap my head around it's lightness ie. i'd pass on the smith & stick w/sig
thats for out of state use only right? and disassembled in CA?
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In looks alone I like the Sig. But remember the smith has been out a while n proven itself n has good reviews while the 522 does not n has not and yet to prove itself.
I'm sorry, who gave the Sig 522 a bad review? or am I mis-reading your post?
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thats for out of state use only right? and disassembled in CA?
sure
am currently in the northwest & thanks for watchin' out for me
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Go with the Sig, buy a hogue rubber grip and put it on the pistol grip, that's what I did.

You seem to be missing a front sight for that back-up rear sight.
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Sig. Hands down.

Has more real metal than any other of the tacticool .22's out there, and it takes BDM's. I can't run my 25rd hicaps in the S&W or the Umarex, but I can in the Sig, and my AR-22.
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Go with the Colt instead of the S&W. If not then go with the Sig.
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I'm sorry, who gave the Sig 522 a bad review? or am I mis-reading your post?

Wondering the same thing, I went to the SIG forum,rimfire forums,any
other forums to find out about SIG problems--couldn't seem to find any.
Went to the S&W "Long gun" forum and there are MANY reports about
the blown extractors. There may well be MANY more S&Ws sold then
SIGs so I don't know how significant that is. S&W is making it right,
however, if you have a breakdown that is not a lot of consolation.The
blown extractors have also been linked to OOB explosions which are certainly not
good and S&W has significant LIABILITY if someone gets hurt. I am
rather surprised they have not had a product recall based on serial#s
or production dates. Maybe they have been doing this as soon as the rifles
get sent back,trying to figure out where/if the problem is. These
problems seem to be around the time of initial introduction. Pete
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Sig > Colt > S&W

Another good alternative would be the Ruger 10/22 SR-22 version. I would put it in the same quality league as the Sig.
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I dont know what more one can want on proving itself. I have shot hundreds of the crappiest federal ammo known to man and it only had 1 failure to load.

It doesnt get any better than that. Even Ruger 10/22s cant always feed the federal red box.

If a rifle feeds the federal well, it will do anything well.

dont go crazy and break down the bolt to clean the Sig, you will lose parts, just use a toothbrush and lube the rails. Clean the barrel and feed ramp and you are good to go. Trust all of us, the Sig is the ****!
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I've broken down the Sig's Bolt... had it explode on me the first time because I didn't realize I had the bolt pulled back when I was popping it open... I put it all back together once I found the parts.... but yea... SUPER easy tear down for cleaning.
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so pretty much as long as JK Supply can track one down I think I might be banished at this point if I were to pick anything but the sig
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I'm sorry, who gave the Sig 522 a bad review? or am I mis-reading your post?
You tell me...I didn't. The S&W has been out for a while and has tons of good reviews from magazines to average owners. Youtube, gun forums, word of mouth, and magazines have lots of reviews on the MP15-22, while there are only a few people/owners so far who has them and has actually fired more than a few hundred rounds through them to review it. I wish there is an official review on it. I still want the 522 but waiting for the new ones that will come with the sights and SWAT rail. On the other hand, the 556 has not so good reviews in quality according to many esp if you read up on them at sigforum.
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I've gone through about 500 rounds on mine.

came with a factory installed rail....

did not come with sights.

absolutely not one problem....


Oh, and it uses a BD Mag which is easy to get, cheap, and works in other .22 platforms.

can we count that as a review?
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I have close to 2K rounds thru my M&P15-22 and just bought another one with the factory flash hider. If you're looking for an AR clone the S&W is the way to go. It is a much better rifle then the Colt/Umarex M4, had one and got rid of it. The Sig 522 I bought I haven't shot yet but it is a quality piece and I have no reason to believe it won't be as troublefree as my M&P has been. Having to choose between the two is tough which is why I own both. Whatever you decide you won't go wrong. Both are well built and easy to take down for cleaning.

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go with the sig 522 .you can use blackdog ,ciener,and sig522 magazines in sig 522, kel-tec 22, ar-22, ar-15 pistol 22 .you see....
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bet the buis & swat rails will push the price beyond 650$; but we'll see
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I've broken down the Sig's Bolt... had it explode on me the first time because I didn't realize I had the bolt pulled back when I was popping it open... I put it all back together once I found the parts.... but yea... SUPER easy tear down for cleaning.
Almost happened to me too. Stopped myself before I opened it all the way.

I did see a couple of posts on other forums where people described taking the bolt out to clean after shooting and finding that the E-clip at the end of the spring guide was MIA. The clip is kind of weak; I measured the thickness at .015". Sig sent one guy two extra clips and he doubled them up on the guide. I found a clip in my parts bin that's .025" thick. I think it should stay put.

One thing that kind of turned me off about the S&W was the flimsy plastic charging handle. When retracted, I could easily twist it about 30 degrees and bend it left to right a little. IMO, this part should have been made of aluminum (or even better, steel).

I had a hard time deciding between the 522 & 15-22. I'll prolly get a 15-22 later, but the Sig appears to be a more sturdy gun overall.
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oh, there's an E-Clip?

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Yup. Goes in the groove on the end of the spring guide. Doesn't need to be there for the gun to function; it just holds the recoil spring and that steel D-shaped block thingy at the rear onto the assembly.
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hmmmm.... I'll have to get me one of them.


remember the dimensions? as in inside and outside diameter?
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....On the other hand, the 556 has not so good reviews in quality according to many esp if you read up on them at sigforum.
What have ya read/heard? The only thing I've read is the e-clip thing, canted gas/sight block, and bad batch (tight) of mags (all easily fixed). Have I missed something?

I'm also waiting to see how much for the sights and SWAT rail (that was mentioned during SHOT) is gonna cost.
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btw, I just looked, I still have the E-Clip. its there. never came off...


but there is a small washer that isn't connected to anything that I have floating around...... any insights? I think it goes on the end of the op-rod.
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