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Old 04-25-2015, 10:55 PM
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Default Norcal Gunstore PPT Duration Compilation

I'm just looking to compile a general list of reviews on which Northern California gun stores take a long time to do a PPT and which ones are quick/easy, since I've found myself travelling to various places to take part in them. Just add some stores you've done a PPT and add the name of the store, where it's located, PPT duration, and any relevant (helpful) comments. Please note that these comments are only directed at a store/location's PPTs; they could be better or worse for normal sales and such. Plus I could be part of an outlier(or multiple outlying) transfer(s). Anyway, I hope this can help someone; I know I'm not the only one watching the Marketplace!

Jackson Arms (SSF): ~Fast: Done on an arrival basis, can get busy quick, though small display case means fewer customers as obstacles. 20ish minutes initial. Pickup around 10 minutes.

Target Masters West(Milpitas): ~Slow: They do their PPTs in order of arrival, but between the extra forms and slow process at their store, initial PPT can take over 45mins to over an hour even with no other PPTs. Picking up your PPT can take over 30 minutes.

**Note that as per their PPT sheet, if you don't pick up your gun by the 14th day after DROS, they charge 2 dollars a day for storage, as well as a one-time 40 dollar charge if you take more than 20 days past initial DROS. Also note that their PPT sheet has a protocol agreed upon by seller and buyer where the gun goes if the buyer is denied in some way.

Reed's (Santa Clara): ~Unknown: YMMV, but from personal experience they treat PPTs as lowest priority. Be prepared to watch other people walk into the store and be given service before you if you're doing a PPT. Inspecting PPT guns in-store is not allowed and must be done in the parking lot outside.

**Reed's charges some sort of fee starting on the 11th day past initial DROS, ($10/day?)

Shooter's Warehouse (Sac/Citrus Heights): ~Fast: Done on arrival basis, 20ish minutes initial. Pickup takes around 10 minutes. (I've done a PPT at each location)

Just Guns (Sac): ~Fastish: Arrival basis, 25ish minutes initial (they were having printer issues, this may have meant they're normally faster). Pickup 10ish minutes.

Wild Bill's (Elk Grove): ~Unknown: My one PPT here was very slow, but to give them the benefit of the doubt, the store was also completely overrun with people trying to get in on the large sale the store was holding. When I came back to pick up my PPT, I did so in under 10 minutes.

City Arms East (Pleasant Hill): ~Fast: 20something minutes initial. Bear in mind that they only process one PPT at a time, mostly digitally. The process is pretty quick but you might have to wait in line to get started, which can potentially take a while.

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You might want to note that Reeds charges a storage fee ($10/day?) if you don't pick up on the 10th day.
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Sacramento gun club. I have done 3 PPTs there and I would say they were 15-20 min each time. Never a line, just sit down and start right away.
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Tracy Rifle & Pistol - Tracy - Fast as they can , they help you in order and are very efficient and friendly.

Hookline & Sinker - Oakley - Same as Tracy , fast as they can depending on how busy , friendly about it .

Antioch Armory -Antioch - About a 50 - 50 chance they will even do it . If the pistol is to cheap they claim the ATF told them not to transfer ' Saturday night specials " and if looks evil can be hit and miss also. If they do decide they want to its slow.

Brentwood Armory - Brentwood - About the same as Antioch. If the guy is in a bad mood he will refuse or make you wait till there is no one else in the store to help then he might do it. So you could end up waiting a while.

City Arms - Pleasant hill - You covered it but just wanted to add they are efficient as possible depending on how busy and are friendly about it.
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Sacramento Black Rifle, super fast and no attitude. Same goes for The Gun Range in Sac, plus they are open 13 hours every day, making it work for almost any schedule. And The Gun Range lets you shoot your gun while it is jail
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Shotgun johnnies in Manteca had us done in about 15-20 minutes. They were nice and easy to deal with. Shop was full and busy too.
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Triple A (Vallejo): ~Fast. Pretty quick and easy, they have a PPT checklist that they go through. They let me start the paperwork before the seller arrived, which saved a lot of time. Very detail oriented, they make sure that they have every piece of information on file at pickup.

Elite Armory (Castro Valley): ~Medium (depending on how many people are in to do a PPT). They use a computer system and can only do one PPT at a time. Buyer has to complete forms before seller, so some time is lost there.

Note: EA will not take a safe affadavit for handguns, so be prepared with a receipt for a lock or buy an 8 dollar one there.
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Well, you gotta consider the time of day you go to any FFL to do business. Lunchtime, after 4 pm and weekends are ALWAYS going to be busy. I usually go at 2 pm on a Thursday, and it may be worth your while to take an afternoon off, rather than get your blood pressure up.
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Well, you gotta consider the time of day you go to any FFL to do business. Lunchtime, after 4 pm and weekends are ALWAYS going to be busy. I usually go at 2 pm on a Thursday, and it may be worth your while to take an afternoon off, rather than get your blood pressure up.
Of course!

That said, this is more of a "What is your personal experience doing a PPT at X FFL" kinda thread. Some places just really take a very long time, regardless of whether you're there at a dead time or if they're fully packed. Good catch, though, explaining what time you went to an FFL to do a PPT is probably a good thing to include in a reply.
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Annie's Guns in Fremont is pretty fast. 10-15 minutes actual time each for starting DROS and pick-up. Of course, you might have to wait if there are other customers before you, but they do not seem to prioritize PPT vs browsing customers.

Bay Area Gun Vault (Mountain View) is about the same, but it tends to be more busy than Annie's.

Target Masters is slow, 45 minutes at least for each stage given their checklists and information requirements. Plus, they process all "pickups" first before those starting DROS no matter who arrived first. This makes a very long wait to start PPTs if they are busy.

Triple A in Vallejo is fact like Annie's and BAGV.
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Cordova Shooting Center (Rancho Cordova): ~23ish minutes initial, ~10 pick-up. Can be very busy on weekends due to the range. May occasionally take money from range-goers mid-PPT if it's especially busy but they're professional and only take a minute or two for them to do so. They can multi-task. Quick and easy.
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Santa Cruz Armory (Scott's Valley) ~Very Fast. First time doing a PPT there, we went in before they'd taken down the "Closed" sign, and they didn't mind; the fellow (Bob, I believe?) made small talk with us as he did our PPT in about 15 minutes. Quick, easy, makes me wish I lived closer. He also knows how to deal with C&R handgun transfers, so if you have a C&R + CoE, this is a good place to go.
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Elite Armory (Castro Valley): ~Medium (depending on how many people are in to do a PPT). They use a computer system and can only do one PPT at a time. Buyer has to complete forms before seller, so some time is lost there.

Note: EA will not take a safe affadavit for handguns, so be prepared with a receipt for a lock or buy an 8 dollar one there.
If I recall correctly, the CA safe affidavit only meets CA law, but not Federal law. Thus, why the safe affidavit in CA works just for long guns. For handguns, to meet the Federal requirements, a lock is still needed.

I don't think this is limited to just Elite armory.
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California Tactical in Roseville: Super nice, knowledgeable, fast, and anti-FUD.
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UG Imports (Fremont): Highly recommend. Very fast, friendly and efficient. My go to FFL. By appointment only so no waiting and very flexible hours.

Reeds (Santa Clara): Recommend. Good experience. Pick up was super fast, only about 5 mins. Doing the paperwork initially took maybe 15-20 minutes. Friendly. Lots of other stuff there to look at.
Only down side is you have to make sure you'll be able to return on the 10 or 11th day or else they charge you a $100 storage fee.

City Arms East (Pleasant Hill): Recommend. Very friendly and helpful staff. Quick processing of the paper work and quick pickup.

Annie's Guns (Fremont): Recommend. Excellent experience. Only 15 mins or so for the paperwork and pickup was only about 5 mins. No problems and friendly staff.

Sportsmen's Supply (Campbell): AVOID! Called to check on doing a PPT there due to seller's request. Got a lecture on the phone about how they are forced to do the PPT and are not making any money from it. Stated they take all other customers first and the wait could be 3-4 hours or more depending on how busy they are. I won't do any business there.
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Reeds (Santa Clara): Recommend. Good experience. Pick up was super fast, only about 5 mins. Doing the paperwork initially took maybe 15-20 minutes. Friendly. Lots of other stuff there to look at.
Only down side is you have to make sure you'll be able to return on the 10 or 11th day or else they charge you a $100 storage fee.
You give a "Recommend" to a store that charges $100 if you don't pick up your gun on exactly the 10th day? That policy puts them on my "No way in hell!" list. Too easy to have something come up that would keep you from getting on that exact day, especially if the seller is driving the PPT date.
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If I recall correctly, the CA safe affidavit only meets CA law, but not Federal law. Thus, why the safe affidavit in CA works just for long guns. For handguns, to meet the Federal requirements, a lock is still needed.

I don't think this is limited to just Elite armory.
I hear you, I've just had lots of different experiences at different shops. Most have taken an affidavit in lieu of lock, some require a lock, some require a lock and lock receipt within the last 30 days, some require you to buy a lock there at the store, some have their own quasi-affidavit form, and some haven't even asked.

I just try to bring as many of the possible combinations to avoid having to spend more money and hope for the best. Everywhere seems to be a bit different.

Edit: My intention isn't to put Elite Armory on blast, because they're nice folks, just to let people know what to expect if they do a PPT there.

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J&R Sports Supply in Livermore.

Showed up at 10am and was out the door in 20 minutes.

Fast and friendly.

On the day of pickup i was out in less than 10 minutes.
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STS Guns (Folsom) ~Fast Opened right at 10am on Saturday, very easy and pleasant. Didn't do a handgun transfer this time, so I don't know their policy on gun locks/affidavits/etc but everything was smooth. Pickup as well.
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Jackson Arms (SSF) - recommend. Fast. No problems.

Metal dogs tacitcak (San Jose) - recommend. Do out of state transfers. No problems.

Annie's (fremont) - do not recommend. Slow.

J&R Sports Supply - do not recommend. Problems. Slow. Do not like PPTs. Rude staff and ignorant.

Peninsula Tactical (Milbrae) - recommend. Fast. No problems.
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You give a "Recommend" to a store that charges $100 if you don't pick up your gun on exactly the 10th day? That policy puts them on my "No way in hell!" list. Too easy to have something come up that would keep you from getting on that exact day, especially if the seller is driving the PPT date.
EXACTLY! I just put two shotguns in jail yesterday and only found out about their new $100 policy when we did the paperwork. It's not the employee's decision so I was still very polite to them but I will not spend another nickel at Reed's as long as they have this predatory policy. You get ONE day to pick up, otherwise they bend you over for $100 for 'storage'? What a joke!
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Just found out about reeds after doing a PPT holding policy as the seller. It seems that either have no space or need the $$$.

Wonder if their others like that? What about big 5 or other stores like that?
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KEEP IN MIND THESE TIMES ARE FOR CCW HOLDER - it makes things go a little faster than without it.

Placer Tactical in Lincoln, 10 - 15 minutes
RMB Enterprises in Milpitas - 10 minutes
Sac Black Rifle in Rocklin - 20 minutes
The Gun Range in North Highlands - 20 mins to 45 mins depending on how busy they are
California Tactical in Roseville -20 minutes
Triple As in Vallejo - 30 - 40 minutes
Sportsmans Warehouse in Rocklin - 30 - 60 minutes depending on how busy they are
Wild Bills in Elk Grove - 30 - 45 minutes depending on how busy they are, and they do not like PPT and especially do not like you picking up PPT on their busiest pickup window which is Tuesdays at store open.

All of these places are good and none have any weird storage fees or requirements to buy locks for handguns etc.

The Gun Range is open 13 hours a day every day which makes finding a time to do PPT or pickup much easier. Sportsmans Warehouse is open 11 hours Mon - Sat and 8 hours on Sunday, which can also make the initial PPT or pickup easier for some folks. Because of that, they are recommended even though it takes a little longer.
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Coyote Point Armory in Burlingame is VERY PPT friendly.

No BS about the safe being full.

$35 no extra fees
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B2 Enterprises (Cotati, just below Santa Rosa) - Medium: 30ish minutes initial. They use a digital process to fill out the 4473 and there's a few other signatures required. They will not accept a safe affidavit for a long gun and will force you to buy a lock for $9.99.
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Thread resurrection given recent talk of other member's PPT experiences.

Brian Nussbaum Company in Burlingame.

-less than 20 minutes for the transfer
-NO storage fees or other nonsense
-quick and friendly service
-less than 10 minutes to pick up

I highly recommend this shop for those in the Peninsula.
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2nd for Brian Nussbaum, he's a great guy and really friendly. He's gone out of his way to find things that I've been looking for. Pick up is breezy and the whole PTP process is as it should be, quick, pleasant, and $35 total.

Just be careful about times, peak hours there can get cramped.
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I did a PPT at Lokey firearms in Morgan Hill ca today. I Was in and out 15 minutes . They had great customer service and charged $35.
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