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Old 12-16-2009, 5:25 PM
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I am looking for a semi-auto .223 rifle, any suggestions? So far I know of the following, but I am new to the semi-auto rifle world (only familiar with bolt action) so any input would be greatly appreciated

Ruger Mini 14
Kel Tec SU 16
Bushmaster Carbon 15
Remington 7400 or 740 (not sure which)

I am looking to get a good quality gun which isn't top of the line price....
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Old 12-16-2009, 5:29 PM
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I am looking for a semi-auto .223 rifle, any suggestions? So far I know of the following, but I am new to the semi-auto rifle world (only familiar with bolt action) so any input would be greatly appreciated

Ruger Mini 14
Kel Tec SU 16
Bushmaster Carbon 15
Remington 7400 or 740 (not sure which)

I am looking to get a good quality gun which isn't top of the line price....
Before you are flooded with the build an AR threads I will add a Saiga in .223
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Build your own AR, so it will be what you want and not what someone else thinks it should be.
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Build your own AR, so it will be what you want and not what someone else thinks it should be.
OK, if I decide to go that route, where would be a good resource to look up some information and find more about how to build, different available options, etc...
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Whats your budget first off? We may be able to suggest another rifle than the one suggested is all. Of those here are some points.
Ruger Mini 14. Great rifle, super reliable with good mags. It is a nightmare without decent mags. Accuracy is kind of lacking but I heard the newer ones are much better
Su16 for what it is, is a great rifle IMO. It is light, fairly accurate, reliable(early ones had extraction issues but could be fixed with an AR15 extractor). AR mags are cheap and easy to come by. I wouldn't beat it up too much since it really is just plastic but it has eaten every bit of ammo I have thrown at it and it FOLDS!
Carbon 15... better off buying an off list lower as stated above. Bushmaster you pay a lot for the name and the same can be accomplished with a different brand lower and have a mag locking device. You can have the ability to change just about anything on the gun... HUGE aftermarket for it.
I'm not familiar with the remington so I can't give an opinion good or bad.
One rifle that seems to fit the criteria is the Saiga. PC ak for the most part... Super reliable. Again accuracy is not as good as an AR but will shoot about as well as the mini14. Saiga can be had for under 500 bucks out the door so it will be cheaper than the others up there.
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I was torn between the mini-14 and AR but chose the AR because of the flexibility of it. Lots of aftermarket stuff, cheap magazines, can changes uppers in seconds, things like that.

the mini-14 is a great rifle but I just couldn't make myself pay close to $800 for something so simple and plain.
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What do you want to do with it? Kind of a vague post.

It seems like you want a .223 though.

I'd get either a AR-15 (I've heard bad things about the carbon-15, I'd get a regular one) or a Saiga (AK) in .223.

AK is cheaper, but the AR-15 has more options and is more modular.

You can also get a .22LR kit for your AR-15 in .223.


An SKS or AK in 7.62x39 would be a good choice as well.
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Old 12-16-2009, 6:38 PM
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The best 5.56 semi auto rifle? I'm gonna say the SHRIKE.

You got:
1. Gas piston system
2. Quick change barrel assembly (takes 10 seconds to change out)
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4. Magazine fed
5. Adjustable gas system
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If on a budget go with a SAR 2 AK in 5.56..
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Ive always wanted a XCR but there not on the cheaper side.
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The best 223 rifle?

I would say you would want one that has been fully developed for a military and adopted. Continues to be used and trouble free.

The AR platform continues to evolve, but the latest versions have yet to be fully debugged.

My short list would be the:

SIG 550 series of weapons (swiss made)
Daewoo series of weapons.

Of the two, the better weapon is the Daewoo imho. Uses an AK type gas piston, four position gas regulator and with AR style aluminum receivers for weight savings and a fixed ejector. Plus it takes AR mags. Its like a far eastern FNC in a way... plus they are dirt cheap, you can get a DR200 for around $700 iirc, and you can make them quite handy. Spares if you ever need them are now available, though I have never heard of one breaking anything, but hey anything is possible, right?

Like the Ultimax 100 LMG, probably the best LMG in the world, the Daewoo is a very underappreciated firearm. Rapid take down, easy maintainance, accurate, great battle sights, and you have to agree anything the ROK uses has to be good! They have to hold back the northern hoards, no time to clean a rifle!

There are many player rifles out there, but very few that have been fully developed. My $0.02
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The best 223 rifle?

I would say you would want one that has been fully developed for a military and adopted. Continues to be used and trouble free.

The AR platform continues to evolve, but the latest versions have yet to be fully debugged.

My short list would be the:

SIG 550 series of weapons (swiss made)
Daewoo series of weapons.

Of the two, the better weapon is the Daewoo imho. Uses an AK type gas piston, four position gas regulator and with AR style aluminum receivers for weight savings and a fixed ejector. Plus it takes AR mags. Its like a far eastern FNC in a way... plus they are dirt cheap, you can get a DR200 for around $700 iirc, and you can make them quite handy. Spares if you ever need them are now available, though I have never heard of one breaking anything, but hey anything is possible, right?

Like the Ultimax 100 LMG, probably the best LMG in the world, the Daewoo is a very underappreciated firearm. Rapid take down, easy maintainance, accurate, great battle sights, and you have to agree anything the ROK uses has to be good! They have to hold back the northern hoards, no time to clean a rifle!

There are many player rifles out there, but very few that have been fully developed. My $0.02
the daewoos and 550's are listed assault weapons though, arent they? i only know one person who actually owns a daewoo, and its a RAW...
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Everyone knows the Kel-Tec is the best .223 semi-auto EVER!

Too subjective. There is no "best." Sometimes you can say one is better than another, but there's rarely a "best." Mission defines the needs, as well.
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I am looking to get a good quality gun which isn't top of the line price....
Start with an AR-15, and grow over time. It's like a Lego set that you can build to your need and modify/upgrade as you progress. It's the same platform that you can use .22lr for training, or reach out to 1k range with 6.5 Grendel.
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Ruger Mini 14. Great rifle, super reliable with good mags. It is a nightmare without decent mags.
What are be best hi-cap magazines for the mini-14?
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the daewoos and 550's are listed assault weapons though, arent they? i only know one person who actually owns a daewoo, and its a RAW...

550 and 551 are listed, but the recievers are marks 550-1SP / 550-2SP etc. A little thin for me especially on the $10K rifle! My skin tone clashes with orange....

The Daewoo's are listed specifically, but not the DR200 or DR300.

And the Galil is too heavy imho, and don't use STANAG mags, when I was in Israel 10 years ago only RIMF's were being issued Galil shorties, everyone else the M16.
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If you just want to shoot .223 then get a Saiga 223. Accurate as a Mini14.
And its total costs will still be cheaper the price of a entry level AR15 UPPER ALONE. But you lose the buildability and customization of the AR.
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I pretty much have shot and owned just about every make of .223 out there except for anything belt fed.

I made my decisions baised on how much money I wanted to spend and what I wanted the rifle for.

If your shooting bottles of the fence from a stones throw away you could go with a used kel-tec for around 400.00. Build your own rifle baised on your budget. Or spend tons of cash for a tacticool all the bells and whistles platform.
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Daewoo Dr200 is prefectly fine. the k1/k2 and max are banned. You would be hard pressed to find a decent dr200 for less than 900 bucks these days... It is an awesome system. Kind of like a frankenstein of firearms. Best of all worlds. They took the gas piston system from the ak, ar bolt and lower, looks of the galil roughly and the gas adjustability of the fal.. Great rifle IMO.
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SIG 550 series of weapons (swiss made)


Good luck getting one of those. I think it is on the banned list. Either way, it would be really expensive.

You'd have to settle for a SIG-556 Classic. And from everything I have read, they are not of the same quality as the SIG-550s they are based off of.
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Nothing wrong with building an AR. It's a pretty good .223/5.56 system as witnessed by the largest military in the world...
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Good luck getting one of those. I think it is on the banned list. Either way, it would be really expensive.

You'd have to settle for a SIG-556 Classic. And from everything I have read, they are not of the same quality as the SIG-550s they are based off of.
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I have a Mini, some ar's and Kel tec and they all rock... see what your budget is roll on it. YOu will like them all. Different tools for different jobs but they all get the job done.
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I have a mini 14 i am selling. It is brand new never fired. I have a post up now. I am in fresno cali
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We all have different definitions of whats "best." And it really depends on preference, what you're going to use the rifle for, and your budget.

I wouldn't get a KelTec SU16 but a lightweight folding rifle could be a good thing. Cant go wrong with a Mini 14. I dont know about the Remy 7400/740 but if you want an AR, build one yourself. Its like Legos.

And like others have suggested, a Saiga 223 rifle, is not bad at all. Inexpensive and its basically an AK (made in Russia).
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Whats your budget first off? We may be able to suggest another rifle than the one suggested is all. Of those here are some points.
Ruger Mini 14. Great rifle, super reliable with good mags. It is a nightmare without decent mags. Accuracy is kind of lacking but I heard the newer ones are much better
Su16 for what it is, is a great rifle IMO. It is light, fairly accurate, reliable(early ones had extraction issues but could be fixed with an AR15 extractor). AR mags are cheap and easy to come by. I wouldn't beat it up too much since it really is just plastic but it has eaten every bit of ammo I have thrown at it and it FOLDS!
Carbon 15... better off buying an off list lower as stated above. Bushmaster you pay a lot for the name and the same can be accomplished with a different brand lower and have a mag locking device. You can have the ability to change just about anything on the gun... HUGE aftermarket for it.
I'm not familiar with the remington so I can't give an opinion good or bad.
One rifle that seems to fit the criteria is the Saiga. PC ak for the most part... Super reliable. Again accuracy is not as good as an AR but will shoot about as well as the mini14. Saiga can be had for under 500 bucks out the door so it will be cheaper than the others up there.
Hope that helps.
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It's not a matter of best so much as what fits your needs.

Personally, I'd just spend $300 and get an SKS, ammo's cheaper than 5.56.

On the other hand:

I second the SU-16. I've put a couple thousand rounds through mine. More accurate than a Mini, More inexpensive than an AR. Can be folded and put in a back pack.

Remove the parkerizing off all metal-to-metal parts and bottom of bolt carrier, lube and work the ejector a few hundred times before firing. The "plastic" is composite and much tougher than you think, but I wouldn't "buttstrike" anyone with it. On the other hand, I took a file to mine to trim the rough edges and found it pretty difficult to do. It's a SURVIVAL rifle. Pretty darned accurate, and uses 5.56 as well as .223. Uses AR/M16mags, ejector and with a little improvisation, firing pin. I like mine very much. It goes BANG and hits the target everytime I pull the trigger. I also second the Saiga .223. Not QUITE as accurate as the SU, (but better than the Mini) but has a funky length stock, still a great rifle! The only issue I have with the SU is the weight. It's too light for me (4.5lbs). I put two loaded 10rnd mags in the storage area of the stock and that helps alot. My Daughter (11) loves it. It is also VEEEERY loud! recoil is negligable because of the heavy bolt carrier. The ejected brass could probably kill a squirrel at 15 yds.

I can't speak of the new Minis but my gun dealer who stocks them says he gets a LOT of complaints on accuracy even with the new ones and tells me as picky as I am, I prolly wouldn't like it.

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