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Old 12-13-2009, 2:38 PM
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Default City of Sacramento to consider supporting Chicago gun ban

I didn't see this anywhere else, so I hope this isn't a dupe. Copied and pasted from the Sacramento Bee's website:

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Sacramento considers filing brief in support of Chicago's handgun ban

What: Sacramento City Council will consider whether to authorize the City Attorney's Office to join as amicus curae with other cities arguing that the U.S. Constitution's 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to states and local governments. Last year, the Supreme Court court struck down the District of Columbia's strict gun ban, ruling it was an infringement on Americans' fundamental rights. Now, in McDonald v.Chicago, the Supreme Court will consider whether it applies states and local governments.

When: 6 p.m.

Where:1st floor council chambers, City Hall, 915 I St., Sacramento


I may actually try to attend this, if only to see our completely useless local rulers discuss the merits of curtailing of our rights. I'm sure the rationalizations will be hilarious.
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I can't wait to read which side of history our friends in Sacramento wish to align themselves.
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I didn't see this anywhere else, so I hope this isn't a dupe. Copied and pasted from the Sacramento Bee's website:

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Sacramento considers filing brief in support of Chicago's handgun ban

What: Sacramento City Council will consider whether to authorize the City Attorney's Office to join as amicus curae with other cities arguing that the U.S. Constitution's 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to states and local governments. Last year, the Supreme Court court struck down the District of Columbia's strict gun ban, ruling it was an infringement on Americans' fundamental rights. Now, in McDonald v.Chicago, the Supreme Court will consider whether it applies states and local governments.

When: 6 p.m.

Where:1st floor council chambers, City Hall, 915 I St., Sacramento


I may actually try to attend this, if only to see our completely useless local rulers discuss the merits of curtailing of our rights. I'm sure the rationalizations will be hilarious.
I would like to see all C.G's here, and gun owners in general, in Sacramento show up for this in direct opposition.
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If you get to ask questions, ask them if they agree with the origional reason why our state constitution does not include RKBA, because they didn't want Mexican Americans to have guns.

Then ask them what other races they want to discriminate against.

Ask them if they want to legalize slavery too.
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Sorry if I didn't read it carefully, but what is the date of the meeting??? Cause I definitely want to attend this!

edit: It says Tuesday, so just so I'm totally clear, this Tuesday? Also, can you please post the link?

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It's this Tuesday, which is the 15th.
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What should a person attending read up on in order to prepare for the meeting? Any lawsuits? Any laws? Any other materials that would be beneficial in preparation??
Thanks! And thank you for the heads up!
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If you get to ask questions, ask them if they agree with the origional reason why our state constitution does not include RKBA, because they didn't want Mexican Americans to have guns.

Then ask them what other races they want to discriminate against.

Ask them if they want to legalize slavery too.
Yeah, ask them about the Colfax Massacre and the subsequent United States v. Cruikshank, which the Chicago case is trying to overturn. Ask them if they think it's cool to massacre blacks and then escape prosecution, because that's the side they are defending.

Print out some copies of the San Francisco Chronicle 1924 article explaining the purpose of our CCW law, which is to keep Latinos, Chinese and legal aliens from being armed.

It's amazing to see people still attempting to defend the Cruikshank ruling. It's the last Jim Crow court ruling still in force in the US that I am aware of.
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Here's the link where I learned of this: http://www.sacbee.com/ourregion/story/2392762.html I went looking for further information on the City Council's website, and I couldn't find anything, so either the agenda isn't published there, or it's well hidden in there.

Honestly, I may not be the best person to ask re: recommended readings to prep for facing the city council. I'm wondering if there will even be much time allotted for public comment. I wonder of the City council is even aware of all of the pending cases awaiting a decision in the Chicago case? Competence and awareness don't seem to be their strong suit.
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Here you go:

http://sacramento.granicus.com/Agend...=8&event_id=98

Item #28

28. Estimated Time: 15 minutes
City of Sacramento Amicus Support in McDonald v. Chicago
Location: (Citywide)
Recommendation: Discuss and consider whether to authorize the City Attorney’s
Office to take the necessary steps to have the City of Sacramento join as amicus
curiae with various cities in McDonald v. Chicago, United States Supreme Court Case
no. 08-1521, in support of the position that the Second Amendment to the United
States Constitution does not apply to the States and local governments.
Contact: Eileen Teichert, City Attorney, (916) 808-5346, Office of the City Attorney.
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Ever the diligent public servants - they're spending time and money on this item instead of addressing city issues.
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their argument doesn't make sense. if the supreme court rules the second amendment doesn't apply to the states, that would open the door for states to say the 1st amendment doesn't apply to the states. either the bill of right protects all citizens or none. i see a slippery slope. am i wrong?
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their argument doesn't make sense. if the supreme court rules the second amendment doesn't apply to the states, that would open the door for states to say the 1st amendment doesn't apply to the states. either the bill of right protects all citizens or none. i see a slippery slope. am i wrong?
Same thing I was thinking. If it doesn't apply to the states, where is it supposed to apply?
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their argument doesn't make sense. if the supreme court rules the second amendment doesn't apply to the states, that would open the door for states to say the 1st amendment doesn't apply to the states. either the bill of right protects all citizens or none. i see a slippery slope. am i wrong?
Yes, you're wrong. You would think it was that simple, but it's not. Look for an explanation of the legal concept of "incorporation." It dictates some parts of the BoR applies while others don't.

And, actually, it does apply to "all citizens." But only if the entity doing the limiting is the federal government.
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"In support of the position that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
does not apply to the states and local governments."



Anyone who supports that position is a traitor to this country.
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Oh good, they have put aside 15 minutes to talk about it... How nice of them. What can get done in government here in 15 minutes?
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i understand incorporation of the bill of rights. the supreme court ruled on incorporating most of the bill of rights to the states, in cases interpreting the 14 amendment. i'm guessing the 2nd amendment wasn't part of the rulings.
i think its a slippery slope when the supreme court sets precedence by picking and choosing god given rights.
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Oh good, they have put aside 15 minutes to talk about it... How nice of them. What can get done in government here in 15 minutes?
They may have only 15 min on the agenda, but if people put in speaker cards on that item, they are obligated to hear the public input. They will usually limit it to 3 minutes per speaker, but if 20 people put in cards, that is an hour. Get there early, get your cards in, practice your speech and get all your points in the time limit. Make them very aware and uncomfortable about the position that they are considering.
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Default Speaking at hearing.

If you want to make a difference, please get together before the hearing so that you can make a coordinated attack.

Please don't focus on the 2 amendment because the real issue of the MacDonald case is not just the 2 amendment, it is the whole bill of rights and that needs to be driven home to them.

The majority of Americans actually believe that the Federal Bill of Rights already applies to the 50 states.

Someone needs to stand up and say something like this.

"I joined the Military, put my life on the line because I believed in supporting and defending the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights and now I find out that I didn't even have those rights, that I put my life to protect freedoms that don't exist".

Our country fought a bloody Civil War that tore the country apart and after that war, some politicians actually tried to do the morally right thing and grant equality under the law to all through the 14 th amendment.

The 14th amendment was overturned by a Racist Supreme court when they overturned the murder convicitons of those responsible for the Collafax Massacre, a Massacre where it is estimated that Sheriff Crunnshiak and his white hooded friends murdered 150 blacks.

The MacDonald case is about finally killing the remaining vestiges of the Jim Crow era.

Like it or not, this country was founded by the gun. When peaceful means to redress of grievances with the King of England failed, he left no choice but armed resisitance.

Our government is supposed to operate under the consent of the governed and the second amendment was put into the bill of rights because the people who founded this country did not trust governments and wanted the people to maintain the means to replace the government by force.

If you are trully for equal rights, then the only thing you can do is file a brief against Chicago.

The Bill of Rights is a all or nothing package deal.

BTW, Sacramento has a large Afro American population, I am sure a brief supporting Chicago will go over real well.

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Oh good, they have put aside 15 minutes to talk about it... How nice of them. What can get done in government here in 15 minutes?
That's because "they" likely have already made up their mind, but the poster after you is right about public speakers
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Here you go:

http://www.cityofsacramento.org/council/index.html

I wonder which council member's idea was it to bring this forth.
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Opposition is welcome.

From a practical standpoint, I don't think it's that relevant. They're also opposing a bunch of CA state DAs as well as the AG. I believe the Chicago case is in fine shape/good hands regardless of what Sacramento throws at it.

Given that the antis are trying to pass some bad laws in San Mateo County, I'd hope that all those in that area are still focusing on that since it's on the same day (Tues 15 Dec).
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Here you go:

http://www.cityofsacramento.org/council/index.html

I wonder which council member's idea was it to bring this forth.
I just saw an agenda and video link on that site. Does this mean it will be video taped and available to see afterwords for the rest of us Calgunners?
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A great point, Bill- let's direct our attention to those issues which require our direct and immediate support.

The ground war is in San Mateo.

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From a practical standpoint, I don't think it's that relevant. They're also opposing a bunch of CA state DAs as well as the AG. I believe the Chicago case is in fine shape/good hands regardless of what Sacramento throws at it.

Given that the antis are trying to pass some bad laws in San Mateo County, I'd hope that all those in that area are still focusing on that since it's on the same day (Tues 15 Dec).
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If you absolutely positively can not make it to San Mateo, then feel free to head over to Sac City to oppose this.

I think asking them why they support the Colfax Massacre and oppose the Bill of Rights is interesting. Remind them that a vote for an Amicus in support of Chicago is a vote against the Bill of Rights and that even unreconstructed racist Confederates weren't that politically dumb.

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Maybe someone in attendance can ask the council members if they have CCW permits. Could be an interesting piece of information to argue a point.
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It would only be "interesting" if those on the City Council actually have one... The Mayor (IIRC) has his own Protection Detail though...
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I believe the Chicago case is in fine shape/good hands regardless of what Sacramento throws at it.
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You need a lot of back reading in this forum to answer your question.
You don't get the (dated) vernacular - he's agreeing with the post he quoted....

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You don't get the (dated) vernacular - he's agreeing with the post he quoted....

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There were three commentators against. The last one was a Calgunner and I think the middle one was too. The last one did an outstanding job while the middle one was also very good.

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I was there. The first one rambled on (older guy). The other two were very good. Councilmember Robbie Waters (Ex -Sac County Sheriff gets it and voted no). I believe Mayor Johnson voted against.

It passed however.
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I was there. The first one rambled on (older guy). The other two were very good. Councilmember Robbie Waters (Ex -Sac County Sheriff gets it and voted no). I believe Mayor Johnson voted against.

It passed however.
My husband and I were there also (I sat in front of you actually) and we couldn't figure out who the second "no" belonged to. So it was Johnson???
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From talking to one of the other speakers, he said it was Johnson.
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Sacramento just voted to join in the brief...
Idiots. Do any of them have a clue what they are doing? Do they even know why they are trying to support this?
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