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Old 11-14-2005, 9:10 PM
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Default HK USP Elite .45ACP vs Mk23

I've shot the Elite and like it. A lot. Have not shot the Mk23.

I want to buy one of the above, can anyone compare 'em for me?

I realize the Mk23 would be a PPT only item (not on the approved handgun list.) with a non-threaded bbl in the gun only. Fun fact: Threaded bbl is legal to posess just not in the gun.
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Old 11-15-2005, 7:03 AM
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How about HK.45



Coming soon to an approved handgun list near your state. P2000 on steroid.
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Old 11-15-2005, 7:20 AM
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Does anybody know if Hk will apply to have the Hk 45 on the Cali approved list?
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Old 11-15-2005, 7:59 AM
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I don't see how the 45 is really all that different from the USP line. Just minor changes like the grip
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How about standard rail vs. proprietory on USP.
How about complete ambi operation without needing to change parts.
How about 10% lighter.
In any case, all of the above guns are quality products.
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Old 11-15-2005, 2:36 PM
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I don;t care for the grip ont he P2000 series compared to the USP, and don't liek the double-slide release all that much.

Taking standard rail accessories is very cool though- should'a done that in the first place.

I think the ELite os more target/match oriented than the Mk23. I thas a onger sight radius, and is probably capable of shooting better groups than the Mk23. The Mk23 was designed to be a suppressed military weapon, and is overbuilt for extreme duty- all depends what you're going for. Both will porbably shoot just great for fun!

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Old 11-16-2005, 11:17 PM
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Thanks guys, I just found out we shot the USP Expert .45, and not the Elite. (sigh.) Roumour has it the availability is still 'limited'. Hopefully I'll be picking one up soon.

Still interested in more on the Mk23.

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  • Look at the discussion forums on http://www.hkpro.com, they are full of information about HK pistols, and many comparisons between the Mark23 and the regular USPs (including the Expert and Elite)
  • The Elite is still available, but only in small numbers. It is not clear whether it will be available much longer in the future. Officially, H&K calles it "limited availability".
  • Supposedly, finding Mark23s in California is very hard; according to the gossip on hkpro, only a few a year come up for sale. Also, rumor has it that they are quite a bit more expensive in California than in the rest of the US.
  • There is lot of back-and-forth whether the Mark23 is inherently more accurate than a well-equipped USP (like the Elite). The ergonomics between the two is quite different - beginning with size and weight.
  • Note that the Expert and Elite are ambidextrous as far as mag release and safety/decocker are concerned. Regular USPs are not.
  • Nobody seems to know for sure when the HK45 (a.k.a. the .45 version of the P2000) will come out. Or even if it will come out in a civilian version (some of the scuttlebut is that it might be offered to the US military as a replacement for the Beretta, but sold to civilians). Only time will tell.
I own the Elite in .45, and am very very happy with it. I would like to add a Mark23 in the future, but it is not urgent enough to worry about right now.
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Artherd,

Where are you at? I have an Elite you could try out if you're near Socal..
The elite is longer, yet actually lighter than the Expert- both are nice, I just thought the Elite looked more different- the Expert looks too much like a 'normal' USP. Supposedly the Elite has a hand fitted slide/barrel too, though I haven;'t compared both side by side. It is easy to shoot it well.

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Hi Dave, unfortunately I'm about 700miles north of you, but thanks for the offer! I may take you up on it yet

Interesting that the Elite is lighter. Do they use the same frame?

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Where are you at? I have an Elite you could try out if you're near Socal..
The elite is longer, yet actually lighter than the Expert- both are nice, I just thought the Elite looked more different- the Expert looks too much like a 'normal' USP. Supposedly the Elite has a hand fitted slide/barrel too, though I haven;'t compared both side by side. It is easy to shoot it well.

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They use the same frame as far as I can tell (looks like the Elite, Expert and Tactical all share the same frame). The slide is milled out quite a bit in the front and tapers down- that's probably where the weight savings comes from. It also has more milling/rounding on the sides and rear- I thought it was for looks, l but maybe they did it for weight?

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treelogger, thanks for the AWESOME synopsis! Let's put together an H&K shoot.
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