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Old 12-04-2009, 12:23 PM
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Thinking about picking up a mosin and a vz24 mauser to sporterize.

anyone have an ex military rifle that has been sporterized into a nice hunting rifle?
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I have a spoterized t99 arisaka. purchased it here for 100 bucks, it's a cool rifle, though expensive to shoot...it just sits in the safe.
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oh man i used to have some funny *** ones on some harddrive laying around.

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pistol grip/original mosin with massive flash hider and tactacal slings





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If I were you I'd buy something that has already been sporterized or at least just buy a separate stock, so you could always put the original back on. Personally I think it's disgusting and disrespectful to destroy a complete original surplus rifle with years of history and stories to tell....that's just me.
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It's been said that sporterizing is the process by which you spend 100 dollars to turn a 75 dollar rifle into a 50 dollar rifle.

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Thinking about picking up a mosin and a vz24 mauser to sporterize.

anyone have an ex military rifle that has been sporterized into a nice hunting rifle?
Countless military rifles have already been ruined sporterized, why not just buy one that has already been butchered sporterized, rather than going to the trouble and expense of desecrating sporterizing another one?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=148977963
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=149082728
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=148839196
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=148909001
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=148622704
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I've been thinking about doing it, but only if I find an orphanized receiver or bore, for instance, and it would have to be good ones. Someone recently had a M44 receiver for sale on here, but I was too slow.

I don't find it absolute blasphemy to do it from a rifle that's still functional, but it has to make some sort of sense. If the rifle shoots fine by itself, why mutilate it when you could spend the same amount of money to buy a used, perfectly good and acurate contemporary rifle?

To me it's only justified if 1. you are using abandoned, isolated parts to give them a new purpose or 2. key parts of the existing rifle need to be entirely replaced (i.e. stock with multiple cracks, etc.)

But again, that's a very divisive topic. As far as I'm concerned, you do whatever you want with what you own.
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Countless military rifles have already been ruined sporterized, why not just buy one that has already been butchered sporterized, rather than going to the trouble and expense of desecrating sporterizing another one?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=148977963
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=149082728
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=148839196
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=148909001
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=148622704


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oh man i used to have some funny *** ones on some harddrive laying around.

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rattle canned




wont ship to cali


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Hey, did anyone save the gunbroker auction for the finnish mosin rattlecanned to look like a Ikea-made PTRD-41?
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I wouldn't Bubba one of my all matching Mosins, but I am guilty of "sporterizing" a few $49 Big 5 rifles that were so butt ugly, anything was an improvement.
And yes, I am guilty of putting a $100 scope on a $50 dollar rifle.
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M24/47 Yugo 8MM Mauser I bought Sporterized.

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^ nice. I've always wanted to build a nice hunting rifle based upon a mauser k98 action..
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It was a really good shooter for what it was.
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I have a 1903a3 with a 25 06 barrel Never shot it yet when does it become non v and r?
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I think he's asking how much modification before a it loses it's C&R status.
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i have several sporters, all but one i bought that way. the only one i "butchered" was a mismatch 91/30 barreled action i picked up. i have 2 argentine '91 mauser sporters, a persian mauser sporter in 8mm-06, a '96 swede mauser, and the aforementioned mosin, which i haven't finished yet. put away your torches and get over it. somebody pays money for a gun, they can do what they want with it. if some dildo rapper wants to put 28" wheels on his ferrari, it sickens me, but it still ain't my problem. get over yourselves and allow this guy to enjoy his old guns. by the by, my original c&r's make a much more impressive list, but i love them all the same. what i appreciate are the old, nice-looking sporters like they did starting early century up to the 50s and 60s. that, for the most part, is what i like mine to represent. take a look around, there's some beautiful sported c&r rifles out there....
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I think he's asking how much modification before a it loses it's C&R status.
how much modification would it take before the gun was not manufactured 50 years ago?

as to how much modification before it loses value, for the most part anything. Like cleaning the tang of a nihonto
refinish ---> devalue
restock ---> devalue
rebarrel ---> devalue
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These are some pics of my favorite bubba'd G43s.

The famous toliet handle model and the AK47/MP40 folding stock version.

I guess these bubba's were done for someone's version of sporterization, certainly wasn't for restoration.
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Lol, I remember the latter, the guy complained a crapton about how he can't sell it on gunbroker because of "others intervening with the sale"
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i have several sporters, all but one i bought that way. the only one i "butchered" was a mismatch 91/30 barreled action i picked up. i have 2 argentine '91 mauser sporters, a persian mauser sporter in 8mm-06, a '96 swede mauser, and the aforementioned mosin, which i haven't finished yet. put away your torches and get over it. somebody pays money for a gun, they can do what they want with it. if some dildo rapper wants to put 28" wheels on his ferrari, it sickens me, but it still ain't my problem. get over yourselves and allow this guy to enjoy his old guns. by the by, my original c&r's make a much more impressive list, but i love them all the same. what i appreciate are the old, nice-looking sporters like they did starting early century up to the 50s and 60s. that, for the most part, is what i like mine to represent. take a look around, there's some beautiful sported c&r rifles out there....
Well original Persian mausers go for 300-400, Argentine mausers 300ish, Swedish mausers 300ish, Mosin $100ish, so what your telling me is you have 5 guns with a total resale value of $200-300 dollars. How many persian or argentine mausers were made, and how many are still in original issue NOT SPORTERIZED condition?

Perfect example there were millions of Mosins made, yet there were hundreds of thousands destroyed or turned into parts guns after the various wars. So how many are left?

Yea they are your guns, but these are the same guns that we see listed Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over AND Over on Gunbroker because NO One is willing to pay $500 dollars for a gun that is sporterized, not matter how nice you think it is.
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how much modification would it take before the gun was not manufactured 50 years ago?

as to how much modification before it loses value, for the most part anything. Like cleaning the tang of a nihonto
refinish ---> devalue
restock ---> devalue
rebarrel ---> devalue
Guess you don't know much about the history of Griffin and Howe, or their values.
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Guess you don't know much about the history of Griffin and Howe, or their values.
Ive seen some beautiful G&H guns... amazing work...
I have an original NRA 1903a3 that is about 100% and gets shot occasionally... even have the front sight cover...

and two that have been sported... I favor the 2 grove barrel...
the kid killed a deer with it a few months ago...

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Guess you don't know much about the history of Griffin and Howe, or their values.
There are some really great works of art based off very historical guns, however they are made by master-craftsman, not by someone waking up one day and deciding an ATI mosin stock makes a M44 the same.

Be it G&H, H&H, R. Gamba, whatever... When it gets to this point, the value is no longer the gun itself, but the artistic value poured on and into it. They are by no means a rattlecan bubba.

Guess you don't know much about the history of "I want a sporterized rifle, I guess I'll go on Ebay!"

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put away your torches and get over it. somebody pays money for a gun, they can do what they want with it. if some dildo rapper wants to put 28" wheels on his ferrari, it sickens me, but it still ain't my problem. get over yourselves and allow this guy to enjoy his old guns.
No one said he couldn't do what he wanted, and no one can or is trying to prevent him from enjoying his old guns. He can paint his guns pink and put Obama and rainbow flag stickers on them for all I care, that's his right. But others also have a right to have opinions on the subject, just as you have a right to have an opinion on the guy putting 28" wheels on his Ferrari.

Sporterizing military surplus rifles back in the 1960s when hunting rifles were expensive and milsurp rifles were common and cheap made sense. But in the 21st century the reverse is true: commercial hunting rifles and sporterized military rifles are common and inexpensive, and unmessed with military surplus rifles are often more valuable than commercial or sporterized rifles. I was simply pointing out that it doesn't make much sense economically to sporterize a military rifle today.

Maybe someone has always wanted a nice Craftsman combination wrench. Which makes more sense, going down to Sears and buying one of the plentiful $9 combination wrenches they have there, or buying a $24 Snap-on combination wrench, and working it over to make it just like a $9 Craftsman wrench? No one is saying he couldn't do it, or has the power to keep him from enjoying doing it, but does it make much sense?

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Here is one of my bubba'd Mausers. A 300 Win Mag for my son.

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I can't stop myself from bubba'ing. In order of appearance:
2 376 Steyrs
35 Whelen
22/250 Rem
243Win
300 Win Mag for me

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^nice looking rifles. all on 98 actions?
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Yes, all are built on '98 actions. 2 were built from bare receivers, and the rest from rifles with bad barrels.
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2 376 Steyrs
35 Whelen
22/250 Rem
243Win
300 Win Mag for me
That 300 looks like it might be a little hard on the eyeball

Seriously though... nice collection.
Hey... even Russia is going "bubba" on the new AKs with Tapco-like handguards.
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There are some really great works of art based off very historical guns, however they are made by master-craftsman, not by someone waking up one day and deciding an ATI mosin stock makes a M44 the same.

Be it G&H, H&H, R. Gamba, whatever... When it gets to this point, the value is no longer the gun itself, but the artistic value poured on and into it. They are by no means a rattlecan bubba.

Guess you don't know much about the history of "I want a sporterized rifle, I guess I'll go on Ebay!"

There is a difference between
This


And this
very nice engraving, I have had the honor of seeing a 100 dollar rifle turned into a piece of art. hand made double set trigger and guard, claw scope mount, jeweled bolt, reforged manlicher style bolt handle, safety.
and of course a full length manlicher stock checkered 20lpi. Absolutely a piece of art.

he gave it away for a grand
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There are some really great works of art based off very historical guns, however they are made by master-craftsman, not by someone waking up one day and deciding an ATI mosin stock makes a M44 the same.

Be it G&H, H&H, R. Gamba, whatever... When it gets to this point, the value is no longer the gun itself, but the artistic value poured on and into it. They are by no means a rattlecan bubba.

Guess you don't know much about the history of "I want a sporterized rifle, I guess I'll go on Ebay!"

What a wonderful addition to the discussion, thanks.
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Nice work buddy, very tastefully done. Your family will enjoy them for generations. Much more pleasurable to own than a 'Big 5' Remington or Mossberg.
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243Win
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If I were you I'd buy something that has already been sporterized or at least just buy a separate stock, so you could always put the original back on. Personally I think it's disgusting and disrespectful to destroy a complete original surplus rifle with years of history and stories to tell....that's just me.

I agree and you can buy modern Mosin-Nagants.

Here is an example. IDK where to buy them though.

http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/modern-mosin-nagant

I found a link where to buy them and I can't find it now. Darn.
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As you can see, the consensus here is don't sporterize anything that is in decent condition. Go cruise your local gun shops for something that Bubba has alread attacked with his rusty hacksaw of doom. It will normally be cheaper than a gun in good shape, and get you far fewer flames on here. Most of us have no problem if you save something from the scrap heap. Actually we find that pretty cool most of the time. But chopping up a piece of history just to make a second-rate sporting rifle really annoys most of us.

And truthfully, sproterizing isn't really worth it like it was 50 years ago, when they didn't have as many actions available to make sporting rifles out of. You can pick up a brand new Stevens Model 200 for around $300. It starts off as a far better sporting rifle than any ex-surplus gun will ever be. And you can use all of the drop-in Savage 110 parts on it to customize it to your heart's content. All without getting all of us collectors pissed off and calling you a Bubba.
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Old 12-08-2009, 9:18 AM
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It's been said that sporterizing is the process by which you spend 100 dollars to turn a 75 dollar rifle into a 50 dollar rifle.

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Old 12-08-2009, 9:58 AM
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Old 12-08-2009, 3:14 PM
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"Mind if I use this as a signature? "

Fine by me... I forget where I first saw it, but in any event I did not think it up myself. I guess it's now just a part of internet lore.

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