[PanzerAce]

Any one know anything about the quality/accuracy of these guys? after all, assuming that the RKBA gets passed next year, I would like to already have the stuff I want lined up. I ask about these cause they a) look kick ***, b) are used by the swiss, so they must be decent at the least, and c) cause I have heard that the HK G36 is illegal for import.

Thanks for the help guys

[bwiese]

Don't get your hopes up...

RKBA has to get on Calif ballot first. Assuming that, and passage of it by voters (both big 'ifs'), after that it's likely several years elapse for court fights and counterchallenges.

Like HK Gxx stuff, the 550s will not be legal for import for for civilian uses - even as a semiautomatic - unless Sig starts manufacturing it in USA. (The federal 'sporting purposes' law needs to be overturned as well; this is the set of laws in 922(r) that mandates, for example, that you have 7 US parts on your FAL clone.)


Bill Wiese
San Jose

[BigAL]

The SIG 55X line of guns is commonly refered to as the ultimate AK refinement, since that is what they are based on. Kinda like AK ruggedness meets Swiss craftmanship. Having never held one I cannot comment on quality but they are generally held in very high regard.

However, they are made in Europe by Swiss Arms (not SIG Sauer) and are subject to the 1989 federal sporting importation ban, so you rarely see them for sale and when you do, they are easily several thousands of dollars. Internet rumors indicate SIG Sauer wants badly to market a variant produced in the Exeter, NH plant (thus bypassing import laws) but Swiss Arms is very reluctant to allow them to do so. Even if they do make one in the US, there is no telling if it will have the same quality as the real deal.

[lazyman]

Originally Posted by bwiese

Don't get your hopes up...

RKBA has to get on Calif ballot first. Assuming that, and passage of it by voters (both big 'ifs'), after that it's likely several years elapse for court fights and counterchallenges.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

yeah we gotta get it on the ballot first and even then I don't think voters will buy it in this liberal state. Sig 550 looks cool though, if our wishes come true, the first thing I'd pick up is an AK74

[Pulsar]

I've gotten to hold on of the 55X series (can't remember the exact one), very very nice rifle. You can shake the gun and not hear a single rattle or loose part anywhere, feels very comfortable to shoulder and everything is just to a very high standard. There is a reason it's considered one of the most accurate battle rifles in the world. Only down side, is that even if they were legal, they are insanely expensive, I think the swiss military is shelling out about $3000 for one

[PanzerAce]

PICS!! ME WANT PICS!!!

ok, grammer time. Thanks for the inputs guys. So it seems that while very good, they would be really expensive, and also esentially impossible to get.

Actually, did the courts ever rule on the 2nd amend in Cali, saying that the state laws could over rule Feds? (for all the bans in Cali), if that was the case, couldnt we still alow them for import?

As for the RKBA passing and the first rifle we get: I think Im going to start a new thread for this, just so we can All share our ideal world wish lists (ill search to make sure it doesnt already exist though)

[Ravenslair]

You want pics? Check this place for pictures and a write-up.

[PanzerAce]

already checked that out, I actually want to see some range pics though.

[gose]

Originally Posted by Pulsar

I've gotten to hold on of the 55X series (can't remember the exact one), very very nice rifle. You can shake the gun and not hear a single rattle or loose part anywhere, feels very comfortable to shoulder and everything is just to a very high standard. There is a reason it's considered one of the most accurate battle rifles in the world. Only down side, is that even if they were legal, they are insanely expensive, I think the swiss military is shelling out about $3000 for one

Since you can get them cheaper than that as a civilian I somehow doubt that its true

[saki302]

I think the day I can legally buy one here is the morning after a monkey flies out of my *** and hands me a wad of money and thanks me for the chocolate

Then again, weirder things have happened, but after the last election fiasco, I'm not holding my breath.

-Dave

[BigAL]

I wanted to add that the SIG 55X series is already imported and sold in Canada. A lot of them come in all sorts of funky colors (like blue) to make them look less threatening.

There's also a lot of internet buzz that we may get a Steyr AUG variant, but I see this as much less likely than the SIG since Steyr does not have a plant in the US (AFAIK).

[PanzerAce]

Al, could you explain the deal with importation of rifles? cause I have heard about needing a certain amount of parts made in america, but also something about non sporting features (or something like that).

Also, what are Candian Gun laws like? and what would be the legalities of buying a rifle (such as the SIG 55X) in canda (after qualifying to buy one in canada) and then having it in Cali?

As for some of them coming in funky colors, I seriously could put up with that in Cali if it meant we could buy stuff like 55Xs, non nerfed ARs, and the like.

Come to think of it, I saw that idea some where else...

ok, had to do some searching, but here it is: http://www.a-human-right.com/looks.html

taken without permission from the above page (to give an idea of the article):
"Make All Guns Pink.

That's right: Pink.

We know that psycho schoolkid killers think they are tough. They'd never use a pink gun. Have you ever heard of a psycho crazy using a pink weapon before? Absurd. Therefore, if all the guns are pink, we'll be safe. Safety orange and lime green will be OK, too, I suspect. No self-respecting psycho crazy'd be seen dead with a lime green .44 magnum.

Oh, and make it illegal to repaint them.

Do you feel safe, now?"


and actually, for anybody who hasnt read through www.a-human-right.com should do so. The author apparently came from russian, and so is VERY concerned about the govt taking weaponry out of the hand of citizens.

[Pulsar]

Originally Posted by gose

Since you can get them cheaper than that as a civilian I somehow doubt that its true

Well I know the models that the Swiss use all come with selector switches. I also got that price from a member of the swiss military. He didn't actually say that's what it cost the government, but that's what it would cost him if he were to buy one.

[BigAL]

I don't know all the details beghind the fed laws. I'll let one of our resident legal experts figure that stuff out.

[lazyman]

Originally Posted by BigAL

I wanted to add that the SIG 55X series is already imported and sold in Canada. A lot of them come in all sorts of funky colors (like blue) to make them look less threatening.

There's also a lot of internet buzz that we may get a Steyr AUG variant, but I see this as much less likely than the SIG since Steyr does not have a plant in the US (AFAIK).

interesting, my buddy has a USR(AUG) so does that mean it was manufactured in the US?

[6172crew]

Originally Posted by Technical Ted

USR was a name given to the post ban AUG rifles to make them sound friendly. IIRC it stands for Utility Sport Rifle.

I recall hearing that someone (DSA or Enterprise?) was going to start turning out US made receivers to accept parts kits from demil'd rifles.

Teds right but it also had a plastic peice that made it a kinda thumbhole grip.

The laws that we are talking about are the ones concerning the importation of rifles not made in the US. If they are made else wher then they couldnt have a pistold grip and other features unless it was built with so many U.S. parts.

Hince the Mak91 with the clinton butthole stock. If you owned the rifle and wanted a pistol grip then it needs so many parts made here, now Im sure this was to curb the sales of cheap AK/Delwoo style goods on the market but Im not sure the feds check firearms for the correct amount of parts or not. To build a forgein rifle like a G3, FAL, AR70, etc you or the manufacture need to replace 7 parts with U.S made ones in order to get by the Clinton law.

At least thats how I understand it.

[BrüderKlaus]

http://www.tir-veyrier.ch/matcheurs_...uenfeld_05.htm
Société de tir de Veyrier (Geneva, Switzerland)
The full internet version is only in french.http://www.tir-veyrier.ch/index_e.htm

[BigAL]

Originally Posted by Technical Ted

USR was a name given to the post ban AUG rifles to make them sound friendly. IIRC it stands for Utility Sport Rifle.

I recall hearing that someone (DSA or Enterprise?) was going to start turning out US made receivers to accept parts kits from demil'd rifles.

The latest internet rumors indicate that deal has fallen through. And wasn't Barrett supposed to build a version of the IMI Tavor here. They even had it as a demo back at the Reno NRA convention. Dunno what happened there.