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Old 11-23-2009, 8:04 PM
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It is a true AK-74 built in Bulgaria by ISD and imported by TGI. Chambered in 5.45x39mm, this AK-74 fetures an original Bulgarian Chrome-lined 16" barrel with 24mm threads and a 74 brake with a small tack weld. We finish the gun here with Ironwood Designs' beech furniture and a hand-rubbed coat of Tung oil and light shellac for durability. They also feature Tapco US fire control so they are fully 922r compliant with any magazine. The rifle will ship with one 30rd Bulgarian magazine and our Deluxe soft assault case.

Can this AK-74 be owned in california after the usual Bullet button ect?
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Not sure if it can be owned here or not, just check the list.

I know that JG doesn't modify rifles in order to make them CA compliant so you'll need a middleman FFL.
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1. By 30-round magazine do you mean 10/30 or 30/30? If the latter, it would need to be rendered a "repair kit" to be legal.

2. Why do you call the pouch an "assault case?" It doesn't sound cool and the name lends itself to Shumer and the other morons who try to **** all over these things.

It's a bag with a neutered gun. Patrick Purdy wouldn't be caught dead with it, so don't do the anti's work for them by using "sexy-yet-misleading" terminology.
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1. By 30-round magazine do you mean 10/30 or 30/30? If the latter, it would need to be rendered a "repair kit" to be legal.

2. Why do you call the pouch an "assault case?" It doesn't sound cool and the name lends itself to Shumer and the other morons who try to **** all over these things.

It's a bag with a neutered gun. Patrick Purdy wouldn't be caught dead with it, so don't do the anti's work for them by using "sexy-yet-misleading" terminology.
LOL it says nothing of an "assault case." Tactical case? That doesn't seem so bad. Calm down dude.
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"LOL it says nothing of an "assault case."



"The rifle will ship with one 30rd Bulgarian magazine and our Deluxe soft assault case."
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"The rifle will ship with one 30rd Bulgarian magazine and our Deluxe soft assault case."
I stand corrected. I was reading the item description from JG Sales where it doesn't say assault case.

Dunno where the item description in the OP's op comes from.
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OK I highly doubt that gun was made in Bulgaria and imported like that.
My money says it's a kit gun built on an NDS reciever(cause TGI sells them)

Well anyhoo, take the mag apart, and pull off the pistol grip and your GTG.
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These rifles are actually Bulgarian imports with original Bulgarian barrels, Bulg. Rec., double stack magazine well, and tac welded muzzle brakes. It's from the same company in Bulgaria that makes and exports the SSR series. The first ones were in 7.62x39 and built with milled receiver parts on a stamped receiver.
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These rifles are actually Bulgarian imports with original Bulgarian barrels, Bulg. Rec., double stack magazine well, and tac welded muzzle brakes. It's from the same company in Bulgaria that makes and exports the SSR series. The first ones were in 7.62x39 and built with milled receiver parts on a stamped receiver.
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The rifle is made by ISD, not Arsenal of Bulgaria, and is "off list".
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The rifle is made by ISD, not Arsenal of Bulgaria, and is "off list".
What's the difference?

As much as I've learned about AK's in the last few years I've never heard of ISD.
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Ok I can tell it's not Arsenal, no flat top rivets. Who did they pay off to get those in the country like that? If they're imported like that then 922r doesn't apply to that rifle.
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Detailed pics of the markings and the story behind the gun...

Aside from the author of "AK-47: The Grim Reaper" and Mikhail himself, is there anyone who knows more about this stuff than my man Mach?



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Ok I can tell it's not Arsenal, no flat top rivets. Who did they pay off to get those in the country like that? If they're imported like that then 922r doesn't apply to that rifle.
Same concept as always. Imported with a single stack magazine well (or perhaps without a bullet guide), and no pistol grip (?). Once TGI get's it, it's modified to double stack config. (or bullet guide added), and 922r parts installed.

Their (ISD) first try, the SSR-85 series, attempted to use all of those unused Bulgarian demilled milled AK parts kits to make something that could be exported. Unfortunately they modified and built the parts on a stamped receiver! What a waste. As a bit of an AK purist, I hesitated on buying one. The combo was just not right with me. However, these 74's I'd jump on. As a matter of fact, I'm hoping TGI will come out with stripped Bulgarian receivers for sale because I bought one of their Bulg. AK 74 parts kit already.
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As much as I've learned about AK's in the last few years I've never heard of ISD.
I do believe Arsenal of Bulgaria makes and supplies Kalashnikov's to their military in addition to exporting them. ISD is just a commercial arms manufacturer. I don't think they supply the Bulg. military.
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OK then the mag has to be USA origin. The stock, pg, and handguard are USA but what else?
The brake?
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Where the hell is that guy?
Running PRK Arms.

I drop by there almost every day to see what's new and exciting and even helped them out at their tables for the local gunshows when they were short a man. He's just too damn busy to hit the forums.
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K var FCG, and usa furniture.
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OK then the mag has to be USA origin. The stock, pg, and handguard are USA but what else?
The brake?
With the break welded on it eliminates one part needed to comply with 922r (it becomes a barrel extension and no longer counts as a muzzle device = one less imported part)

I could only guess but either the FCG is US, or the magazine is.
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We finish the gun here with Ironwood Designs' beech furniture and a hand-rubbed coat of Tung oil and light shellac for durability. They also feature Tapco US fire control so they are fully 922r compliant with any magazine.
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Do you know if it's imported single stack and opened by TGI or if they install a bullet guide to "high-cap" the rifle after importation?
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Do you know if it's imported single stack and opened by TGI or if they install a bullet guide to "high-cap" the rifle after importation?
I do not know, but it doesn't matter to me. By the way, the price is right too!

Here is the first SSR-85 that used to be imported by Armory USA. It just doesn't look quite right. Tell me I'm wrong.


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Interesting...
So with the FCG and furniture swapped out and the brake welded, it's got 6 imported parts replaced out of the 5 that would be needed... allows freedom for someone to swap out for an Israeli PG or a UTG quad-rail foregrip.
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Here is the first SSR-85 that used to be imported by Armory USA. It just doesn't look quite right. Tell me I'm wrong.
Yea it looks funky, The FSB and GB are from a milled gun, but with an AKM barrel. Also the wood/pg is not correct nor it the polished bolt carrier. And it has the vent holes in the gas tube seems out of place, but I could be wrong on that one.
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I do not know, but it doesn't matter to me. By the way, the price is right too!

Here is the first SSR-85 that used to be imported by Armory USA. It just doesn't look quite right. Tell me I'm wrong.
I never liked the black US PG with wood stock and handguards. Darker wood like a laminate might make it better, but I prefer all wood, or all plastic.

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So with the FCG and furniture swapped out and the brake welded, it's got 6 imported parts replaced out of the 5 that would be needed... allows freedom for someone to swap out for an Israeli PG or a UTG quad-rail foregrip.
I'd be willing to bet that most people would want to cut the weld on the muzzle break/FSB to have the threads available. But a US made break could just as easily be used if one wanted a foreign PG or HG.
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I'd be willing to bet that most people would want to cut the weld on the muzzle break/FSB to have the threads available. But a US made break could just as easily be used if one wanted a foreign PG or HG.
Yup... and for that matter, a piston swap isn't that difficult or expensive and would allow for both to be swapped.

That's what just so sweet about building one from a Nodak or a flat... the receiver and FCG are a 4-piece "gimmie". Piston and brake and at that point you can run a set of original 1947 furniture.
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If they are built anything like their 7.62x39 SSR-85, then it should be outstanding. The SSR-85 is considered very good.
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So these are built off of a virgin front trunnion? Or do they de-mil a real bulgarian arsenal gun and then re-build them on a receiver?

Please let them be rebuilds because if they are built on virgin parts Im going to have to buy one and I just cant afford it haha.
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TGI says their assembled with new parts, not demilled kits.
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OK then, SGL-31 Or This ISD Import? I did hear a rumor that the ISD may not be Mil-Spec?
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Guys we are a TGI distributor can can hook you up with these if there is enough intrest for us to buy them in bulk, keep in mind they have no bayonet lug and the brake has a small tack weld.
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OK then, SGL-31 Or This ISD Import? I did hear a rumor that the ISD may not be Mil-Spec?
Except for the mentioned tac weld (small), the ground down bayo lug, and ground down accessory lug, these rifles are true semi auto AK 74's that will take "milspec" military mags, stocks, and accessories. Like I said, I need a stripped Bulg. ISD receiver for my build. It will still count as one of my imported AK's, but just built by me, although I'm not Bulgarian. : )
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Except for the mentioned tac weld (small), the ground down bayo lug, and ground down accessory lug, these rifles are true semi auto AK 74's that will take "milspec" military mags, stocks, and accessories. Like I said, I need a stripped version for my build. It will still count as one of my imported AK's, but just built by me, although I'm not Bulgarian. : )
Your not Bulgarian
But....but......but.....your name sounds so Bulgarian
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if 69 wants to be Bulgarian just put Nikolov at the end. 69nikolov. Its common.

I am hoping this series of SSR will be nice. One can pray.
The previous SSRs looked as if it was a US receiver, sent to BG, built there by a non Arsenal (kazanluk) company and reshipped here with 922isms.

Note, you must unweld that brake/flash hider if you use corrosive ammo, rust will form like a mofo in there.

The previous SSR I got was lacking in finish (a light parkerizing like a WASR, you can see rubbing off just from light tough on the front sight drum) and fit, bad parts mis-welded, rear sight not even refinished and it was bent, the flash hider threads were milled off and the 45degree brake tack welded on lightly, it flew off into a field within the first 5 rounds. The furniture was cheap looking US stuff and the gun had a few hangups.

I associate (Arsenal ltd. of BG) Bulgarian guns with high quality so I ordered fast and pushed coworkers to jump on it. Sad I did, I sent one back, my buddy kept his and its something to cry over.




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Expect the finish to be light & sub par that is the way that they have always came from that factory we have been getting them for about 8 years.
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