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Old 11-17-2009, 10:54 AM
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Default Mag Extensions On Preban Mags

I think I know the answer to this question already but is it legal to purchase the factory glock +2 mag extensions and use them on a high capacity preban mag?

I dont see why not but I also don't see how alot of these laws make sense.

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Old 11-17-2009, 10:58 AM
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There are no degrees, tiers or levels of "high-capacity-ness".

If it's already a legal hicap, adding +2 or +4 or whatever doesn't change its status.
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I'm sure others will chime in. But once a 10+ preban mag, always a preban mag. AFAIK, you can add to your heart's content [to the original mag] as long as you're not manufacturing a new magazine.
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:08 AM
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Thanks for the quick replies... your answers actually sparked another question. If this is the case, could one then modify a 17 round preban glock mag and turn it into a 32 rounder or 100 rounder or whatever?

If the body on the 17 round mag broke, could you repair your mag by using a 32 round mag body and spring?

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like niteqwill said,once a preban always a preban no matter how many rounds it holds as long as when u repair the mag you only have the same number of mags that you started with.
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Ahem.

Except 'preban' has nothing to do with anything in California.

If you don't care to use 'large-capacity magazines legally possessed in California before Jan 1, 2000', I understand, but those are not pre-ban.

Large-capacity magazines etc are not banned. It's legal to own, possess and use them. There is no 'ban' to be 'pre' of.
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I have 10 round Glock 26 magazines that I legally owned before Jan 1, 2000.

I wonder what their legal status is? I installed a +1 on them before Jan 1, 2000 but have since removed them.

Are they high caps?
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I have 10 round Glock 26 magazines that I legally owned before Jan 1, 2000.

I wonder what their legal status is? I installed a +1 on them before Jan 1, 2000 but have since removed them.

Are they high caps?
If all is as you say, then yes, they're large-capacity mags and could have their +1 extensions re-added. Or +whatever.

Though I've heard many of those things are not all that stable - seems like they're known to fall off at inopportune moments. Probably brand-dependent or something; I don't have any, primarily because such tales have scared me away.
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Ahem.

Except 'preban' has nothing to do with anything in California.

If you don't care to use 'large-capacity magazines legally possessed in California before Jan 1, 2000', I understand, but those are not pre-ban.

Large-capacity magazines etc are not banned. It's legal to own, possess and use them. There is no 'ban' to be 'pre' of.
Please educate me a little more on how this works? If I'm not mistaken the 94 Clinton ban restricted high capacity magazines and then there was another ban that was basically laid over it on Jan 1, 2000 which would mean that since the 94 ban was still in effect, you have to have had mags that were pre 1994. So although Californias ban went into effect Jan 1, 2000 there was already a pre existing Fed ban that would have made it illegal to purchase high capacity mags at the time. What am I missing?

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Though I've heard many of those things are not all that stable - seems like they're known to fall off at inopportune moments. Probably brand-dependent or something; I don't have any, primarily because such tales have scared me away.

I have heard this too but I see that there is now a factory +2 extension made by Glock themselves. Do these have the same problems?

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So my old 20's could be turned into rebuit 40's? Yes please.
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Please educate me a little more on how this works? If I'm not mistaken the 94 Clinton ban restricted high capacity magazines and then there was another ban that was basically laid over it on Jan 1, 2000 which would mean that since the 94 ban was still in effect, you have to have had mags that were pre 1994. So although Californias ban went into effect Jan 1, 2000 there was already a pre existing Fed ban that would have made it illegal to purchase high capacity mags at the time. What am I missing?
The definition of "ban".

Heroin is "banned". Murder is "banned".

Something that is legal to own, possess and use is not "banned". Even 'assault weapons', Federally and in California, were/are not "banned".

For California, in-state transfer of large-capacity magazines is "banned" except for some special cases. (Similarly for 'assault weapons'). Functionally, that means no one who does not have them already can get them any more, so if laws don't change, probably sometime around 2050 all the current owners of such things will have passed on. That works as a ban, finally, because at that time it will be presumptively true that possession came from an illegal transfer.
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I have heard this too but I see that there is now a factory +2 extension made by Glock themselves. Do these have the same problems?
Don't have any idea.
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Please educate me a little more on how this works? If I'm not mistaken the 94 Clinton ban restricted high capacity magazines and then there was another ban that was basically laid over it on Jan 1, 2000 which would mean that since the 94 ban was still in effect, you have to have had mags that were pre 1994. So although Californias ban went into effect Jan 1, 2000 there was already a pre existing Fed ban that would have made it illegal to purchase high capacity mags at the time. What am I missing?
Back in 94 the federal ban was on manufacturing new high caps only. You could still sell and buy, pre-ban mags at the time. Then the 2000 California ban was put in place. So thatís why everyone always states pre-ban up to 2000.

When the 94 fed ban was put in place there was still tons of high cap mags for sale. I know because I got a bunch for my now RAW in 98. There were still thousands if not millions of pre-ban mags around after the federal 94 ban that could be legally transferred.

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So my old 20's could be turned into rebuit 40's? Yes please.
Basically, YES.

You can rebuild your 20 rounds with the body, spring, and follower of a 40 rounder if you want. I didn't know there were 40 rounders available. 30 rounders work perfectly fine for me and I think 40 rounders would be much to long for anything but offhand shooting.
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So my initial assumptions about modifying pre ban mags is correct then right? Any high capacity mag that was legally aquired before 2000 would have had to been a pre ban mag even though it was not aquired before 94. You could not have aquired a postban (1994) high capacity mag in 1999 before the Caifornia restrictions of selling, lending, importing or manufacturing high caps was put in place.

So although you had up until 2000 to aquire high capacity mags, those mags would have had to been pre ban mags. Am I missing someting?

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Federal made some pre ban 40 rounders, for AR and Mini 14, steel bodies, before PMI mags bought out Federal.
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Back in 94 the federal ban was on manufacturing new high caps only. You could still sell and buy, pre-ban mags at the time. Then the 2000 California ban was put in place. So thatís why everyone always states pre-ban up to 2000.

When the 94 fed ban was put in place there was still tons of high cap mags for sale. I know because I got a bunch for my now RAW in 98. There were still thousands if not millions of pre-ban mags around after the federal 94 ban that could be legally transferred.

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So my old 20's could be turned into rebuit 40's? Yes please.

your 11 rounders can be turned into 99999 rounders if you so desire
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your 11 rounders can be turned into 99999 rounders if you so desire
Yup, after some careful reading and looking around I found out that I could turn a few of my 17 round G17 mags into 33 round mags. Trick is doing it the "Legal" way and not manufacturing while you are at it.

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