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Old 11-16-2009, 4:08 PM
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Talking Tula/Wolf Ammunition Review (with pictures)

I decided to start a thread on Tula ammunition as it had sparked some interest in other Calgunners in this thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...highlight=tula

Noticing that Tula ammunition online was cheaper than buying brass at the local gunstores,I recently bought some Tula .45 ACP to try out in my first handgun, a Sig Sauer 1911 GSR Revolution. I had shot Wolf/Tula ammunition in .223 Remington and in 7.62x39 before so I wasn't worried that it would cause any catastrophic damage to my 1911, but I was curious on how it shot and how dirty their line of handgun calibers were.

Here is a picture of my Sig 1911 before 220 rounds of Tula ammunition was shot through it:





And after 220 rounds of Tula had gone through it:



The picture color is a bit off as I had used sunlight as the light source in the first picture and a desk lamp for the second one. As you can see, the slide is very dirty near the end of the barrel and at a couple spots on the slide.

Another picture with the slide locked back:







Closer look at the chamber area:


As you can see, the primer sealant Tula/Wolf uses has left some sort of a gooey film near the firing pin. The gooey film was easily cleaned off though, but I did not wait very long to clean my 1911 after taking these pictures so I don't know if it would have hardened up if I left it in this condition for several days.
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Closer look at the end of the barrel:


I am not sure what is the copper colored stuff on the end of my barrel, but if I were to hazard a guess it would be copper fouling. If anyone knows what it is exactly, let me know.

A shot at the feeding ramp area:


As you can see, the feeding ramp is very dirty with carbon buildup but it looks like the area where the bullet contacts the feeding ramp has been cleaned up a bit by the friction between the bullet and the ramp.

And lastly, a shot at of the frame:





Overall the carbon buildup was really easy to clean off with remoil and bore cleaner and the 1911 now looks as clean as it was before. Personally, I will keep using Tula ammunition as it is currently the cheapest source of .45 ACP and the clean up takes very little effort. Accuracy wise, I didn't notice any difference between WWB brass and Blaser Aluminum compared to the Tula brand. Of course, I was shooting 25 yards and under, so take that for what it's worth.
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I would like to see what 220 rounds of other ammunition would look like...
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Filthy Filthy ammo, but like you described in this very helpful thread, as long as the firearms is cleaned after your range trip, its good fun reliable ammo. (I still wouldn't choose it as my SHTF ammo, but for plinking, Im still buying a lot of dirty dirty Russian ammo and enjoying every shot. BTW, none of my firearms have had any functional issues with crappy Russian ammo, just gets very dirty.
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me too. i know that on my stainless guns they dirty up alot faster than my blued ones. but that was alot more powder than i typically see with my shoots. and i usually put a couple hundred rounds through each gun when i shoot. but its always good jhp's and federal or remington target ammo.
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If you supply me the ammo, I'll do a picture report on any brand you want
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I would like to see what 220 rounds of other ammunition would look like...
Word! 1911s tend to get dirty quickly regardless of the ammo used. Polymer guns almost enjoy dirty ammo.
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show them the group i shot with the tula
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my Kimber looks gets as hell no matter what ammo I used. my Glock never seems to get that dirty even with Wolf.

on a side note, Burro said we can start using Wolf etc in about 1-2 months
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Why don't you blow 1k rounds through it and see how it looks? Or just don't clean it for a few months It'll still work fine, promise! The gun in your pics just needed to be wiped off.
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Why don't you blow 1k rounds through it and see how it looks? Or just don't clean it for a few months It'll still work fine, promise! The gun in your pics just needed to be wiped off.
True, but I don't think I can afford shooting 1000 rounds of .45ACP, even with cheaper Tula ammo
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Interesting. I had an issue a few weeks back in my P220, loading steel-cased Wolf into the mags - couldn't get more than 5 in. It fed and fired just fine otherwise. I emailed Sig and got this back from them:

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I have never heard of having trouble loading the Wolf rounds into the mag however we do recommend that you do not use Wold ammo at all through our firearms. The steel casing will do damage to your firearm and drastically reduce the life span of the weapon.

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It sounds like you also have to keep their guns in air-tight container 'cause a draft will make them sneeze... I mean common people - if steel casing will damage my gun, I'd get rid of the gun ASAP...
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To second the opinion about reliability of Wolf ammo: on my last tac. class I've shot about 6 boxes of Wolf through my Makarov. Cleaning with only CLP took the whole 10 minutes.
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I've used wolf in 9mm on my 6904. Indeed it is dirty compared to US brands, When I spray the area where the firing pin chamber is with brake cleaner, a red colored liquid comes out of the other end. Nonetheless, only one FTF out of 500 rounds (did not shoot all 500 at once). On the accuracy department, I have better shot placements using Walmarts Winchester 115 gr than wolf.
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I realize I'm opening myself to ridicule here, but am I the only one who thinks my guns need to be able to fire dirty? I have friends who clean their guns after every range trip, which is probably a better practice than what I do but if my gun can't fire after being shot 100-200 times then put away for a while I don't want to trust my life to it!

The effects of the steel versus brass, now that is a different argument I suppose. I guess it could be harder on the chamber, I don't know enough about expansion rates, finish types,etc to really comment on that.
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hot damn thats some dirty ammo!
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My 1911's in the past would always run a bit dirty no matter what the ammo, for whatever reason. But that ammo looks dirtier.
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I realize I'm opening myself to ridicule here, but am I the only one who thinks my guns need to be able to fire dirty? I have friends who clean their guns after every range trip, which is probably a better practice than what I do but if my gun can't fire after being shot 100-200 times then put away for a while I don't want to trust my life to it!
no i agree that guns should be able to fire dirty , but sometimes lack of mainenance leads to problems down the line later.
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I feel like that looks the same as any other ammo...
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It's not any dirtier than the Fiocchi .45 that I ran through this year.

I ran 4K rounds of the stuff through several different 1911's, an HK USP Expert, and a Glock 30 - no ammo related malfunctions of any type. The pieces I fired it through were just as dirty from the Fiocchi as the Tula shown here.

Looks like good practice ammo to me.
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I know many don't like Wolf/Tula ammo, personally I like it just fine. Russians IMO, if anything, for lack of better words are practical.

Like many of their weapons, they are designed to be tough and dependable. The Tula approach to ammo manufacture is the same in my opinion. There are good reasons why they manufacture it the way they do, and I have plenty around for SHTF ammo.
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HI,

I just bought at the Del Mar Gun show a two boxes og 500 rounds of wolf .223. I than found out they were russian and the gun range I go to in Oceanside won't let me use it.

Would anybody be interested in buying it off my hands? I paid for it $232 and have the receipts. One box is sealed and the other I Opened but have not fired a single bullet.

If some one is interested or know how to sell these please let me know
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HI,

I just bought at the Del Mar Gun show a two boxes og 500 rounds of wolf .223. I than found out they were russian and the gun range I go to in Oceanside won't let me use it.

Would anybody be interested in buying it off my hands? I paid for it $232 and have the receipts. One box is sealed and the other I Opened but have not fired a single bullet.

If some one is interested or know how to sell these please let me know
Most indoor ranges I have ever been to will not let you use steel cased ammo. I have not been there, but I have heard that P2K in El Cajon and On Target in Laguna Nigel both let you use stell cased ammo.
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Most indoor ranges I have ever been to will not let you use steel cased ammo. I have not been there, but I have heard that P2K in El Cajon and On Target in Laguna Nigel both let you use stell cased ammo.
Yes they allow steel cased ammo, but they cost like 14 bucks an hour to shoot there.
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HI,

I just bought at the Del Mar Gun show a two boxes og 500 rounds of wolf .223. I than found out they were russian and the gun range I go to in Oceanside won't let me use it.

Would anybody be interested in buying it off my hands? I paid for it $232 and have the receipts. One box is sealed and the other I Opened but have not fired a single bullet.

If some one is interested or know how to sell these please let me know
you paid 232 for 500 rounds of wolf 223?

you got robbed. Blind.
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I read it as he paid $232 for all 1000 rounds (2 boxes of 500 each).

In any case, Kaz, post up a for sale thread in the Ammo & Reloading Sales Section. And you'll probably find a buyer...
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I like my ammo dirty and cheap, just like my women.

Thanks for the range report.
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I like your gun better in the after pics =D
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Hey GundamCL - when you shot the wolf/tula .223 and 7.62, did you find similar gooey results or was it only with the 1911?
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Guns are like girls, even the prettiest ones like to get dirty now and then.
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