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Old 11-16-2009, 2:23 PM
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Default Aluminum Bedding Pillars for the Mosin Nagant



The aluminum pillars are inserted into the stock with the tang screw and trigger guard screw inside them. Seems to be used as a brace between the trigger guard and barrel/receiver to lessen the amount of movement between the two pieces?

This is just what I see from whats pictured.

Its a 10$ upgrade and the manufacturer(http://www.rocksolidind.com/) says "These are a must for getting the maximum amount of accuracy from the Mosin Nagant rifles."

I know its only 10$ not a lot of money at all.
And installation would require maybe five minutes?
So the whole effort would be minimal.

But, I have to ask..

By design, would these actually increase accuracy of the rifle? If not they would be as useful as putting a cool dinosaur sticker on the stock to increase accuracy right?

Has anyone tried these? If so. Any noticeable improvement?


Once again, thanks in advance to everyone for their posts.

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Where did you find these?
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Where did you find these?
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looks like a good idea, need to set them in epoxy to get real stability.
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looks like a good idea, need to set them in epoxy to get real stability.
Set what into epoxy?
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$10 says they will result in a crack at the tang.
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$10 says they will result in a crack at the tang.
'They' as in the aluminum piece that sits in the tang will crack?

And 10$ says your paying for small machined aluminum pieces.
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'They' as in the aluminum piece that sits in the tang will crack?
No.
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If not they would be as useful as putting a cool dinosaur sticker on the stock to increase accuracy right?
Depends on how much you get Dino stickers for.
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he is charging $10 dollars for tubing
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I admit I am pretty skeptical. I doubt they would hurt anything, but I also doubt that they will actually do anything.
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No.
Okay, then what did you mean by they?

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he is charging $10 dollars for tubing
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10$ says your paying for small machined aluminum pieces.
We know what it is. But is it effective?

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I admit I am pretty skeptical. I doubt they would hurt anything, but I also doubt that they will actually do anything.
The holes in the stock the screws go into have empty space that give the screws moving space. These tubes fill them. Creating less moving space.

I say they do help but very little. By eliminating unnecessary movement of the parts inside the gun stock.

Its not like this is some expensive time consuming mod.

I'll probably end up getting this.
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Okay, then what did you mean by they?
A split in the tang.
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well, what better rifle to experiment on? say it does turn the rifle into a broken pile of slag, so what? it's a $100 rifle, and all parts that have worked prior, can be transferred to another one.
i say, try everything you can to squeeze the groups down tighter! if all else fails, im sure there are some good samaritans here that could get you one of their less collectible pieces for a song, in case you break yours.
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mosins are fine as is.. but i think all c&r's are
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You should see my "experimental" mosin!!!!! I do have a M38 that will remain unchanged tho.
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I would love to. Pics please
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dunno what all this fuss is about, less than $1 got me a soda and free shim material for my stock AND my trigger
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dunno what all this fuss is about, less than $1 got me a soda and free shim material for my stock AND my trigger
I don't think cost was ever an issue.


The fuss was over if it was functional or not.
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You may find this to be an interesting thread:

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/vie...hp?f=118&t=529
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Link isn't working for me.
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Strange. I just tried it again and it worked.

Go to http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/

Go to "Russian and Finnish Military Rifles" then "Russian/Finish Reference Stickies"

Look for the thread titled "Bubba Free Accurizing of the Mosin Nagant"
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Huh, weird I just tried it again and it worked.

Must've been my connection.
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I don't think cost was ever an issue.


The fuss was over if it was functional or not.
Take my advice, but instead, use a beer! you can thank me later!

You'll thank me more if you have bottled beer and drink until you find a can.
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don't waste your money

keep the mosin unmodified and unmolested....
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Useless. It's the recoil lug on the barrel that needs to be snug in the stock. If that's not the case, no amount of "screwing around" (haha) will give you accuracy in a Mosin. Shims are what the Finns used to make these rifles tackdrivers.
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The pillars will also help in having consistent
tension with the action screws.

One tip for getting accuracy from a milsurp
is to use a torque wench on the action screws,
and note which setting give the best accuracy
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Useless. It's the recoil lug on the barrel that needs to be snug in the stock. If that's not the case, no amount of "screwing around" (haha) will give you accuracy in a Mosin. Shims are what the Finns used to make these rifles tackdrivers.



As for those pillars, eh....I wouldn't do it because of the fact that to make them shoot as ACCURATELY as a milsurp Mosin can be, shims are all that's required. If your rifle is in OK condition but with all the little tricks and gadgets, it will never shoot as well as an excellent unmolested M39. Any performance gains you'd see are minimal. Cost of time/cash to benefit ratio is really slim. Simo didn't need pillars....

I'd like Mosins to stay around $100. Even if there were millions made, if everyone bubba'd enough, original ones would be worth more money....wait....everyone with a Mosin please bubba or outright change theirs into an altered form......eventually kids will need college cash for books......
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bedding the recoil lug will do about as much good as anything. The whole cost is about 4 bucks for a good 2 part epoxy and you will have alot leftover.
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bedding the recoil lug will do about as much good as anything. The whole cost is about 4 bucks for a good 2 part epoxy and you will have alot leftover.
dont forget a release agent!
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truly an excellent thread, doing these mods to my 59 tomorrow.
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