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View Poll Results: Have you experience Garand thumb/finger
Yes, once only. 33 20.63%
Yes, more than once. 9 5.63%
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WTF is Garand thumb? 13 8.13%
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Old 11-15-2009, 9:01 PM
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I was stricken today for the first and hopefully the last time. I have had my CMP Garand for a year and managed to close the bolt full force on my index finger resting on the rear of the chamber. Fun!

Who else has experienced this Garand learning experience?
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never had a garand, but got pinched on a friends
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Sorry man - But where is the pic of said thumb -
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Sorry man - But where is the pic of said thumb -
Not so bad. A little blood and bruised. Sorry, no pic. Check out some other people's damage here:

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Great link - The gathering of the Garand thumbs -

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Not so bad. A little blood and bruised. Sorry, no pic. Check out some other people's damage here:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...q=f&oq=&aqi=g1
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Garand thumb hurt, Hakim thumb brought tears to my eyes - like a factor of ten.
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This is how you avoid M1 Thumb:



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I was the example at my DCM qualification class - dang club M1 jumped up and bit my thumb (bleed - lost the nail - the whole works) - I was nice to it (up until that point) - - - just a nasty M1

The instructor singled me out and used me (and my blood) - as a lesson for all of the other shooters - - -

Funny - the lessons that include pain stay with you - -

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I havent had garand thumb, but did get SKS Bite, one of my Yugo M-59/66s decided to bite down on my finger
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I handle the Garand like I do a mouse trap!!
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Garand thumb once when I was a newby . . . Grand pinky when I should have known better . . .
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I've never experience that fortunately.

I always hold the bolt back while inserting a fresh clip.
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i have come soooo close it happened trying to load the rifle while shooting off bags thats a very bad angle and it almost got me. knock wood, that made me much more aware of the loading process.--cam
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Got it once when I first got my Garand way back when. Had to burn a hole in my thumb nail with a needle to relieve the blood pressure and throbbing. Got a good spurt out of it! Thumb nail died and turned black for while until it grew out.

That's definitely a "fool me once" trick.
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If you shoot a M1 a lot a "Garand thumb" is not an if but a when and it only takes once.
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I don't see an option for "Garand hand".

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"M1 Thumb" usually occurs when trying to close the bolt on an empty rifle. When there is a loaded en bloc clip in place the resistance of the round being chambered slows down the bolt closing so there is plenty of time to get your thumb out of the way. Sometimes the resistance is so high that the op rod handle needs a nudge or slap to close the bolt.

One can install a Holbrook device to prevent M1 Thumb http://www.m1thumbsaver.com/ It replaces the standard op rod catch. With the Holbrook device installed, after a clip is loaded the bolt won't close until the op rod handle is pulled back slightly and released. When the clip is empty it isn't ejected until the clip latch is pressed.

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Once while cleaning the thing. It hurt like a mother and I lost the nail.
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Nope, never experienced it, thankfully. It's all about technique.
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36 years and counting - no M1 thumb and I've been using and shooting M1 rifles all that time. Do it right from the first and you will never, ever experience the M1 thumb.
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thats just one of those places that we all must be very careful when we put our fingers inside... Fingers and metal under tension are never a good combination. Ive never gotten bit, but i am always generally pretty good about not getting in the line of fire...
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Never happened to me. My father forewarned me, when I was 6-7yrs old. One of the few things I heeded. It's been 30+ years..... knock on wood.
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got close once, but didn't quite get caught. be careful out there.
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It's impossible for a Lefty to get M1 Thumb, simply by virtue of the way we have to load it single shot.. and as for the rest of you.. it is impossible for ANYONE to get M1 Thumb LOADING a en-bloc in a Garand....
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My m1 tried to feed my index finger once when I was cleaning it. Even better, once when I had to clear for a cease fire, I managed to ding myself in the forehead with a full enblock as it un expectedly jumped out of the action.
The worst thumb bite I ever got was from a g43, again when cleaning it. It left a nice purple blister on the side of my thumb.
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I got it once while cleaning, I had the rifle mostly apart and needed to release the bolt in order to get the oprod spring out, well, I got bit in the process. Didn't loose the nail or anything that bad but it was still an experience that I do not want to repeat.
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For whatever its worth, some of us lack the hand strength to retain the op rod handle with the heel of the hand, and depress the follower, using the standard military procedure.

For quite a few years now, I've been showing new M1 users a couple of 'civilian methods', which, whilst unacceptable within the military standards of procedure, work well, and do not involve any risk of injury.

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For whatever its worth, some of us lack the hand strength to retain the op rod handle with the heel of the hand, and depress the follower, using the standard military procedure.
You might want to look at the Holbrook device I mentioned earler http://www.m1thumbsaver.com/
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I've never had it, but I shouldn't get it considering how gingerly I load it
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This is what I was taught by my favorite veteran,AKA dad when I got my first Garand 20 yrs. ago.
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Never had that problem. My dad told me about "M1 thumb" long before I was old enough to buy a gun. He came of age in an era when most men did some kind of military service.

I had a teacher in the 8th grade who told me about "M1 pencil". This was used to help you qualify.
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I would thumb my nose at Garand thumb, but my thumb doesn't work so well anymore after experiencing Hakim thumb.
I did add some new cuss words to my vocabulary though.
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I did once... My M1 was out of its stock and it was upside down while I was cleaning it. I went to close the bolt like that. I had done it tons of times before but that time I wasn't as careful as usual and it resulted in a pretty sore thumb and an embarrassing story.
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Never had Garand thumb while loading. I did almost lose the nail when I was headspacing a receiver I barreled. I didn't remember putting the op-rod spring in at the time.
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I was in ROTC at UCSB in 1961 and saw a (dumbass) cadet who had a thumb that looked like a Japanese eggplant!

I was issued a rifle that was as old as me (made in 1943) and had been used as a grave marker in New Guinea (at least it looked like that). The bore leaked crap between cleanings so that you had to clean it five minutes before formation to avoid getting reamed. So I got to know the armorer and talked him into letting me turn it in and pick a new rifle--AFTER I had de-cosmoed 10 rifles for him.....what fun. I got a new 1950s H&R and only had to clean it twice in the next two years. And I wish I had it back.
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I was in ROTC at UCSB in 1961 and saw a (dumbass) cadet who had a thumb that looked like a Japanese eggplant!

I was issued a rifle that was as old as me (made in 1943) and had been used as a grave marker in New Guinea (at least it looked like that). The bore leaked crap between cleanings so that you had to clean it five minutes before formation to avoid getting reamed. So I got to know the armorer and talked him into letting me turn it in and pick a new rifle--AFTER I had de-cosmoed 10 rifles for him.....what fun. I got a new 1950s H&R and only had to clean it twice in the next two years. And I wish I had it back.
Great story. Here's my 1950's HRA before having the cosmo removed. Look familiar?



..and after cleaning. Never been fired!

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