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sheriff buddies are how all the big "celebrity gunners and trainers have LEO credentials"aka steven seagal, ted nugent, and many others. Here in CA it would be pretty easy to be a reserve officer 3 and get an ID for LEOSA compliance.
Depends. In some CA counties, even Class I reserves cannot CCW.
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Thanks, Rossi, good one!

Yes, I have to redo my math here.

Here's what I did and went wrong:

n = Nays = 41 (House)
a = Aies = 58 (House)

n ÷ a ≈ 0.707 = (100 - 70.7) (I think I was using the distributive property here, but I still have trouble in that area, but wasn't thinking to add both the Aies and the Nays first).

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Class 1 reserve can carry without a ccw per leosa. Just need ID from dept.
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Class 1 reserve can carry without a ccw per leosa. Just need ID from dept.
You might just as well say:

"All you have to do is to win the lotto and donate $10,000,000 to your sheriff. No problem whatsoever!"

The commitment in time and in health to becoming a Class 1 reserve is enormous. For many of us, it is physically impossible even if we had the time and were prepared to be screamed at because the heading on a report written in Academy was 1/16" off center (yes, that happened to someone I know). You are just suggesting yet another favored class of animals (reference is to Orwell's pigs and is not meant to be a slight on police officers or reserves).
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That's all folks.......

Billings Gazette article here.
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And the next regular session of the Montana State Legislature will be in 2015.
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Yeah, kinda dead now. I wonder if it can be resurrected?
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Damn. Can get a state like ND to take this up? What about alaska or one of the southern states.
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Any update from the “guy(s) on the ground” in MT?

I’d love to hear more about what happened (or didn’t happen).
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Yeah, it would be fascinating to hear just what happened. Sometimes the various players find it unwise to tell exactly what occurred due to the impact of the telling on any future efforts.
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Damn. Can get a state like ND to take this up? What about alaska or one of the southern states.
I was thinking maybe Idaho, Wyoming or Oklahoma.....there must be some viable options for us out there in free America.
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Heck, Michigan ain't _entirely_ out... if only b/c they need money badly. Albeit the blue state aspect due to Detroit would be ... troublesome.
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I'm not sure it's dead, but it obviously isn't going to happen in Montana for the next two years.

I find it interesting that Ajax22 and such are not making further comments. This could be because they have just abandoned the effort and the thread - or possibly because the idea is anything but dead and is being pursued in places or ways which are best not divulged at this time.

It certainly doesn't look good at this time, but who knows? And if the effort is going to change to another state/legislature, then the work done preparing for Montana would potentially make the effort elsewhere a bit more productive.
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I'm not sure it's dead, but it looks like it isn't going to happen in Montana for the next two years.

I find it interesting that Ajax22 and such are not making further comments. This could be because they have just abandoned the effort and the thread - or possibly because the idea is anything but dead and is being pursued in places or ways which are best not divulged at this time.

It certainly doesn't look good at this time, but who knows? And if the effort is going to change to another state/legislature, then the work done preparing for Montana would potentially make the effort elsewhere a bit more productive.
With all due respect, I have a hard time believing it is so secretive that the OP cannot post any details in this thread. It's not like something this significant will pass a legislature under the radar. Just my opinion
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Oh, I've no big problem with your assessment. But it is interesting that the CCWforall website doesn't appear to have been updated in over two years but we know that there was at least a little activity in that time period.

Also, there was some discussion at some point in working with other legislatures. I never fully understood why Montana was chosen rather than one of the others, but it may have had to do with an association with Mr. Marbut.

Net effect is that at the moment you could have a not-all-that-RKBA-friendly governor and they may not have even introduced the bill/language in order to avoid a political defeat.

For all I know, they may have been working with a whole other legislature on pretty much the same thing for several months already. Ajax22's most recent posting has actually been pretty vague as to what was going on - just that it is/was on the QT.

It may suit purposes very well to have the issue apparently dead when it is actually working its way through a whole other legislature without notice.

That said, it could very well be that the idea is already 6 foot under and the folk working the issue just aren't talking about the failed effort.

I don't think anyone who is not an insider can really know at this point - and I'm not an insider.
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Occam's Razor says it's dead.

I actually had some hope for this. That'll teach me...


I thought I was a "pessimist", because that's what everyone keeps saying I am...
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I'm not sure it's dead, but it obviously isn't going to happen in Montana for the next two years.

I find it interesting that Ajax22 and such are not making further comments. This could be because they have just abandoned the effort and the thread - or possibly because the idea is anything but dead and is being pursued in places or ways which are best not divulged at this time.

It certainly doesn't look good at this time, but who knows? And if the effort is going to change to another state/legislature, then the work done preparing for Montana would potentially make the effort elsewhere a bit more productive.
Guys, this project is not dead, nor is it abandoned.

We've been in this for the long haul since day one.

Montana has had some interesting expenditures of political capital of late as it pertains to gun rights this session, and a few stars didn't align for us on this go around.

I'm going to get together an after action report for the NPI board, not sure how much we can make public but I'll try to give it in broad strokes (don't want to derail the next go around)

We may have to make a few structural changes to our approach, but it is still very viable.

In the meantime, we need to look at states which have annual convening or full time legislature to push this forward in other venues.
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Then I will maintain my hope for this! Thanks, AJAX22.
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Guys, this project is not dead, nor is it abandoned.

We've been in this for the long haul since day one.
I'm not giving up on it at all. I know these are long-haul projects, not quick victories. There are many other states that could do this thing, and Montana could pick it up again in two years. Who knows.

The idea is a solid idea and worth pursuing. It may well be the only way California residents get access to a reasonable CCW system ever.
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Guys, this project is not dead, nor is it abandoned.

We've been in this for the long haul since day one.


Montana has had some interesting expenditures of political capital of late as it pertains to gun rights this session, and a few stars didn't align for us on this go around.

I'm going to get together an after action report for the NPI board, not sure how much we can make public but I'll try to give it in broad strokes (don't want to derail the next go around)

We may have to make a few structural changes to our approach, but it is still very viable.

In the meantime, we need to look at states which have annual convening or full time legislature to push this forward in other venues.
Thanks for all your efforts AJAX and I have never doubted your commitment. With the current regime firmly in control in Sacramento....this project just may well be the "Hail Mary" pass that saves the game for gun owners here in Kaliforniastan!
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I was thinking maybe Idaho, Wyoming or Oklahoma.....there must be some viable options for us out there in free America.
The Idaho Legislature meets annually and is in total Republican control.
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Guys, this project is not dead, nor is it abandoned.

We've been in this for the long haul since day one.

Montana has had some interesting expenditures of political capital of late as it pertains to gun rights this session, and a few stars didn't align for us on this go around.

I'm going to get together an after action report for the NPI board, not sure how much we can make public but I'll try to give it in broad strokes (don't want to derail the next go around)

We may have to make a few structural changes to our approach, but it is still very viable.

In the meantime, we need to look at states which have annual convening or full time legislature to push this forward in other venues.

Just off the top of my head, extremely pro-gun states that I think this can pass in. Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, Alaska, North Dakota.
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Guys, this project is not dead, nor is it abandoned.

We've been in this for the long haul since day one.

Montana has had some interesting expenditures of political capital of late as it pertains to gun rights this session, and a few stars didn't align for us on this go around.

I'm going to get together an after action report for the NPI board, not sure how much we can make public but I'll try to give it in broad strokes (don't want to derail the next go around)

We may have to make a few structural changes to our approach, but it is still very viable.

In the meantime, we need to look at states which have annual convening or full time legislature to push this forward in other venues.
Without compromising OPSEC, is this proceeding with another state, or is this on hold for our next chance at Montana?
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6 month bump for a status update.

I'd still like to figuratively stick this in my local chief's/Sheriff's eye.

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6 month bump for a status update.

I'd still like to figuratively stick this in my local chief's/Sheriff's eye.

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Nothing more???

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Apologies for not updating, I've been working on other projects.

Hopefully I'll be back on this at the end of May.
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Apologies for not updating, I've been working on other projects.

Hopefully I'll be back on this at the end of May.
Cool, looking forward to it! I think this is the best hope we have in California ( and NYC etc).
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Hopefully I'll be back on this at the end of May.
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Bump for July!
The last "update" on their web-site is almost 4 years old.
For a project that started 5 years ago this does not look good.
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This entire "project" was just wishful thinking that people got sucked into.

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This entire "project" was just wishful thinking that people got sucked into.
LEOSA is very real. Conforming to a federal law to achieve a goal is very real.

If it doesn't work it's not because it was "just wishful thinking." You sound like people who never try, mock people when they fail, then envy them when they finally succeed.
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LEOSA is very real. Conforming to a federal law to achieve a goal is very real.

If it doesn't work it's not because it was "just wishful thinking." You sound like people who never try, mock people when they fail, then envy them when they finally succeed.
Exactly. While I don't put the chances of success as being very high (politically it seems like it would be a tough sell), this approach is novel and interesting and very much worth trying.

The hard part is, of course, finding a state that's truly willing to implement it (rather than merely talk about it).
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LEOSA is very real. Conforming to a federal law to achieve a goal is very real.

If it doesn't work it's not because it was "just wishful thinking." You sound like people who never try, mock people when they fail, then envy them when they finally succeed.
Agreed. And there was and is a very real potential for this to happen in Montana. The political capital required was just used on something else.
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I hit the poll at $1,000. Because if and when I'm ever allowed as a law abiding citizen here in Commyfornia to CCW. It would cost me that much every 2 yrs.

I hope this takes wings and flies far and wide. I would even drive or fly to Montana and do necessary paperwork.

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