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Very exciting update, can't wait to hear more.
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Additional awesome news... we Finally got our 501c3 approval for all the stuff we have been working on (and some VERY exciting stuff that we haven't talked about publicly yet but will shortly after the next board meeting)
Is the certification retroactive for those of us who donated a year ago ?
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Where do I check if I'm still on the mailing list? I haven't gotten a mailing in 18 months.
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Yes , my understanding is that the 501c3 classification applies to all donations retroactively.
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its deja vu all over again. Some Europeans that never were all that into the feudal system declared all members of their group to be nobles... so as to avoid designating any of their people serfs...
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For those wondering about the mailing list... If you signed up, at any time... You are on it. The lack of any messaging through it is because there has not been anything significant enough to warrant the use of it for updating. From what I understand, movement in all of this is likely imminent, but still... For now... We wait.
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This. Will. Become. Very. Interesting.

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Put my name back on the mailing list just in case. I am going to be planning a old trip with the family for 2014!! Hope this all works out.
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Signed up and read most of what is on the website.

Please keep us up to date, any update is a good update in my book.

If you don't want to use the mailing list for the "small updates" why not post here?
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Eh what the hell, this could be pretty cool. I'm on the mailing list.
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Wow, just read the language of the draft on your website... and I must admit I don't know what Montana is like, but this seems too good to be true, I wont let myself get excited.
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Sorry, maybe I haven't paid enough attention, but how do I find out if I am on the mailing list or not, as I cannot remember if I ever signed up.
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Sorry, maybe I haven't paid enough attention, but how do I find out if I am on the mailing list or not, as I cannot remember if I ever signed up.


But if you can't remember doing it?
I just got an email yesterday morning, did you?
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From http://www.ccwforall.com/pages/docum...D_Proposal.pdf

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The wording of HR218 is such that it would not only allow ARD's to keep and bear all
title 1 firearms (and some title 2) it would allow ARD's to completely circumvent any and all
state initiated magazine restrictions, assault weapons bans, and prohibitions against the
ownership of unconventional firearms
I'm just trying to figure out what this means for California residents. Can California residents:
- purchase and transfer modern sporting rifles (aka "assault weapons") inside or outside of California as Montana ARD? I guess no.
- outside of California convert their bullet button equipped modern sporting rifles outside into detachable magazine configuration and import it back into the state? I think this should be possible. California does not care about the outside reconfiguration of the bullet button and if a Montana ARD who is a Montana resident can import a detachable magazine MSR, then why can't a CA resident.
- outside of California purchase magazine with more than 10 rounds capacity and import them back into the state? Same argument as in the last bullet.
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I'm just trying to figure out what this means for California residents. Can California residents:
Can we please please delete this entire thread? Is anyone thinking about the fact that there certainly are legislative aids in California and at the national level who are reading this thread while busily drafting bills, some parts of which have a chance of passing? What purpose does this discussion serve?

This project is very important, and talking about it along with detailed legal analysis seems like we are going to shoot ourselves in the foot.
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Can we please please delete this entire thread? Is anyone thinking about the fact that there certainly are legislative aids in California and at the national level who are reading this thread while busily drafting bills, some parts of which have a chance of passing? What purpose does this discussion serve?

This project is very important, and talking about it along with detailed legal analysis seems like we are going to shoot ourselves in the foot.
Did you read the proposal? It is very explicit about this proposal giving more freedom to residents from other states. e.g.

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live in restrictive areas (such as New York City) who are unable to even posses a firearm due
to restrictive local conditions for whom ARD employment would mean finally obtaining the
means to defend their life, liberty, and family
So the Montana legislators are aware. And the only way for CA legislators to avoid this is to change LEOSA federally.
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So the Montana legislators are aware. And the only way for CA legislators to avoid this is to change LEOSA federally.
Which can't happen because Obama needs the support of LEOs if wants to have any chance at getting gun laws passed. Creates a nice catch-22 for them and a win-win for us.
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Did you read the proposal? It is very explicit about this proposal giving more freedom to residents from other states. e.g.

So the Montana legislators are aware. And the only way for CA legislators to avoid this is to change LEOSA federally.
Yes I read the proposal in detail. There's still an opportunity for the Democrats to pressure whatever allies they have in Montana to cripple this bill somehow or other, or to find a way to derail it with legislative procedures (get it stuck in a committee and let it die). There may be tweaks to HR218 that could be done, or attempted. It's not unlikely that some kind of Federal gun legislation is going to pass. It's not likely to be an actual AWB, but more likely to be minor tweaks, and one of those could be a minor tweak to HR218. I don't know what kind of tweak that would be and if I did know I certainly would not post it, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

Why are we discussing this? We're putting this very important idea at risk and I don't see what we get from it.
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CA's only possible work around would be to remove all carve-outs for cops from their gun legislation. They're welcome to try.
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Which can't happen because Obama needs the support of LEOs if wants to have any chance at getting gun laws passed. Creates a nice catch-22 for them and a win-win for us.
No. There are ways to change LEOSA to shut this effort down while keeping LEOs on board. But I will most certainly not say what they are.
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CA's only possible work around would be to remove all carve-outs for cops from their gun legislation. They're welcome to try.
You are underestimating what is possible. They may be able to play tricks to let this bill die silently in committee, or get amended in committee in Montana. They may be able to do something at the Federal level. I don't know what exactly, and if I did know, I wouldn't post it here.

I think the troops who need to be rallied are already rallied and I don't see why we still have this thread with this level of detail. You can be sure that gun banning legislative aids in Montana and Washington DC will look at this thread too.
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No. There are ways to change LEOSA to shut this effort down while keeping LEOs on board. But I will most certainly not say what they are.
I don't believe though that there is a way for the anti-2A California legislature to shut it down. I'm sure congress can with some cleverly written adjustment on their end, but getting congress to do anything right now is next to impossible (which actually benefits us 2A supporters for the moment).
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I don't believe though that there is a way for the anti-2A California legislature to shut it down. I'm sure congress can with some cleverly written adjustment on their end, but getting congress to do anything right now is next to impossible (which actually benefits us 2A supporters for the moment).
You don't believe that this board is read only by California legislative aids, or that they don't have close contacts at the Federal level, and in Montana? There may be only one or two anti-gun legislators in Montana, but the way legislative bodies work, they can pull tricks to get things scuttled, especially low-profile bills that cover hard-to-explain issues like this one. Congress can't pass big obvious stuff like an AWB, but it most certainly can pass sneaky changes to obscure laws like HR218.

Again, I call for this thread to be deleted.
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You don't believe that this board is read only by California legislative aids, or that they don't have close contacts at the Federal level, and in Montana? There may be only one or two anti-gun legislators in Montana, but the way legislative bodies work, they can pull tricks to get things scuttled, especially low-profile bills that cover hard-to-explain issues like this one. Congress can't pass big obvious stuff like an AWB, but it most certainly can pass sneaky changes to obscure laws like HR218.

Again, I call for this thread to be deleted.
But just reading this thread in it's entirety would be a full time job alone
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But just reading this thread in it's entirety would be a full time job alone
Don't underestimate the driving power of evil! Michael Moore would be able to do a pull-up if it would somehow take away AR-15s from NRA members.
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You don't believe that this board is read only by California legislative aids, or that they don't have close contacts at the Federal level, and in Montana? There may be only one or two anti-gun legislators in Montana, but the way legislative bodies work, they can pull tricks to get things scuttled, especially low-profile bills that cover hard-to-explain issues like this one. Congress can't pass big obvious stuff like an AWB, but it most certainly can pass sneaky changes to obscure laws like HR218.

Again, I call for this thread to be deleted.
What's really the point deleting this thread if the SAME information is shared by the organizers of this initiative? The document says that as an INTENDED side effect it gives people access to firearms that otherwise would not have it. AND it spells out that this is another income stream in addition to people just wanting CCW.

Are you trying to limit access to this information to just insiders?
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Hey Coward,

I agree with CCWFacts to shut it down. All YOU need to know is WHEN this bill passes (which should be posted for eveyone to see at that time) that the board will post the outcome. There are too many "cowards" (anti-gun) people on this board, to let them screw up all the work that has been done. If you don't like it, you can PM me insults. Hehe
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Even if it is deleted, this page and hundreds of thousands of others have been cached and are accessable at the Wayback Machine.

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What's really the point deleting this thread if the SAME information is shared by the organizers of this initiative? The document says that as an INTENDED side effect it gives people access to firearms that otherwise would not have it. AND it spells out that this is another income stream in addition to people just wanting CCW.
I'm also wondering if they may want to shut down that site until the bill passes.

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That's what I'm suggesting.
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Yes , my understanding is that the 501c3 classification applies to all donations retroactively.
Trying to do my taxes (and trying to figure out if I have to amend 2011, or can take it in 2012), and I'm having trouble finding an address (got a city) and an EIN/TIN.
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well, we now know what the first call for reserves will be: http://xrl.us/bogd5z
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Someone apparently hacked into the Emergency Alert System and announced on KRTV and the CW that "dead bodies are rising from their graves" in several Montana counties.

This message did not originate from KRTV, and there is no emergency.
OF COURSE they are denying that it's real.
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well, we now know what the first call for reserves will be: http://xrl.us/bogd5z


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OF COURSE they are denying that it's real.
Meh, I've been preparing for this for years
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