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I vehemently disagree with the expressed opinion, but it is possible that the person was well-meaning.

I understand the rather heated responses (kinda guilty myself) but I think we need to remember that some people just haven't thought it through and can be valuable defenders of liberty in the future even if they are mistaken right now.
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+1 ! Earn it. Why do you persist with this post?

Earn it?

I spent twenty years active duty. You can't pick a day of the year that I haven't been gone or worked. Almost cost me my marriage.

Guess what?

I don't feel any other citizen has not earned their RKBA or that I am somehow more entitled to it or have done more to earn it.

Nothing against LEO's (my old man was one) because they went through some academy and got a few hours of instruction does not make them any more deserving of a RIGHT than any other citizen.

Why should they be treated as if their life is somehow more worth protecting than mine?
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Seriously? Some 4 post nube posts here "claiming" to be a LEO and makes some stupid remarks and he gets this much attention? How about we just let it go?

Kind of like my kid asking if he can drive the Vette when he gets his Lic. No response is necessary.

Just some troll throwing a grenade into the room and running off.
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I don't want to see that guys name in this thread, it has nothing to do with this.
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Not exactly sure where I claimed to be a Leo in this just stating my opinion. This seems like a unreasonable loophole. Get a ccw. I know they are harder to get now but hey as mentioned you guys elect the sheriff so elect someone else.

As for the prior military guys I greatly appreciate your service but your not in the military now. You may have better weapons training than a cop and all that but your still not a cop. Theres other training that goes along with. They don't just train a cop to use his gun, hand it to him and tell him go do his job.

I'm not against a ccw or a legit person having the right to carry but I think a loophole like this is ridiculous.
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Not exactly sure where I claimed to be a Leo in this just stating my opinion. This seems like a unreasonable loophole. Get a ccw. I know they are harder to get now but hey as mentioned you guys elect the sheriff so elect someone else.

As for the prior military guys I greatly appreciate your service but your not in the military now. You may have better weapons training than a cop and all that but your still not a cop. Theres other training that goes along with. They don't just train a cop to use his gun, hand it to him and tell him go do his job.

I'm not against a ccw or a legit person having the right to carry but I think a loophole like this is ridiculous.
The loophole is ridiculous. You should not have to utilize a loophole in order to exercise your fundamental rights.

On the LEO thing? You do realize that the LEOSA covers retired cops? Kinda kills your argument about former military?. . .

The other thing is that we're not trying to do the job of LEO. We don't want to do the job of the LEO. So why do we need to have LEO training to carry in another state when we go there for a vacation like off-duty LEO's can do?

LEOSA is not simply saying that cops on duty outside their jurisdiction can carry firearms in the performance of their duties.

I have to disagree with you rather profoundly.

And maybe I should point out that I have a CCW already. That still doesn't let me legally set one foot in New York with my concealed firearm.

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Really don't care. If u want the rights of a cop become one. If u don't like Cali laws, leave.
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Please show me where in the 2nd Amendment it says the rights of just cops to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

I'm going to guess though that you don't even have a clue what this thread is about and are just spouting off.
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Not exactly sure where I claimed to be a Leo in this just stating my opinion. This seems like a unreasonable loophole. Get a ccw. I know they are harder to get now but hey as mentioned you guys elect the sheriff so elect someone else.

As for the prior military guys I greatly appreciate your service but your not in the military now. You may have better weapons training than a cop and all that but your still not a cop. Theres other training that goes along with. They don't just train a cop to use his gun, hand it to him and tell him go do his job.

I'm not against a ccw or a legit person having the right to carry but I think a loophole like this is ridiculous.
The people have a right to bear arms. Its really irrelevant what legal mechanism it is delivered by, whether it is a state issued LTC, constitutional carry, or a state issued and nationally recognized credential to carry such as this thread is about. The 2nd Amendment is not a loophole
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Not exactly sure where I claimed to be a Leo in this just stating my opinion. This seems like a unreasonable loophole. Get a ccw. I know they are harder to get now but hey as mentioned you guys elect the sheriff so elect someone else.

As for the prior military guys I greatly appreciate your service but your not in the military now. You may have better weapons training than a cop and all that but your still not a cop. Theres other training that goes along with. They don't just train a cop to use his gun, hand it to him and tell him go do his job.

I'm not against a ccw or a legit person having the right to carry but I think a loophole like this is ridiculous.
I'm AD AF and I absolutely disagree. I was told that my military ID could be used as a CCW, but unfortunately that's not true. It should be that way, though. It's unbelievable what our men and women sacrifice to serve the greater good and how little they get in return. Sure, there's a steady paycheck and good benefits but it's a tough life. Tragedies like Fort Hood could have been prevented if we were allowed to carry weapons on base.

It's been proven time and time again that when **** hits the fan, the cops are never there or can't respond fast enough. Military bases, college campuses, you name the place, law abiding citizens should be able to utilize their 2nd Amendment rights and make those major disasters a small hiccup.
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I guess loopholes are reserved for politicians, police, lawyers, criminals ect...

The price of admission alone is worth getting these peoples panties in a bunch, CCW is a bonus.
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I'm not against a ccw or a legit person having the right to carry but I think a loophole like this is ridiculous.
So you have nothing against someone with a LTC carrying a firearm--what exactly makes that person any more "legit" than us using LEOSA to carry?

Do us all a favor and learn more about this proposed legislation, natural rights, and logic in general before you ever post in here again.
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I think we're gettin' a little harsh.

He's/she's wrong on many points, but he/she's also very new. He/she/it may prove able to learn.

After all, there is a huge fund of knowledge represented on this forum. Tough to assimilate it all. I've been around far longer than has Nm767 and I still sometimes get it flat wrong.

I admit that I like to think that I pay more attention to why people have told me I'm full of it - but I may be deceiving myself?

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When I say legit I mean non convicted felon. Someone who hasnt had his right/priveledge to carry revoked do to his actions.

But there are also those who do lose that right without commuting a crime. Take certain restraining orders like Emergency protection orders and domestic violence orders. They lose the right to bear arms and may have never even commited a crime.

Furthermore they are supposed to turn over any firearm even in the house.

So by legit I'm referring to someone who still has the right/priveledge.
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When I say legit I mean non convicted felon. Someone who hasnt had his right/priveledge to carry revoked do to his actions.

But there are also those who do lose that right without commuting a crime. Take certain restraining orders like Emergency protection orders and domestic violence orders. They lose the right to bear arms and may have never even commited a crime.

Furthermore they are supposed to turn over any firearm even in the house.

So by legit I'm referring to someone who still has the right/priveledge.
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So by legit I'm referring to someone who still has the right/priveledge[sic].
So, in other words, you have no idea how issuance in CA works?
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I simply saying I have nothing against a ccw for a person who has the right to have one.
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lol err, umm, because, this...is...different, it's not called a License to Carry a Concealed Revolver, Pistol, or Other firearm. its a completely new thing that I want to be angry about.
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Because this is not a ccw. Your talking getting another state to give you Leo credentials for the sole purpose of being able to carry anywhere as a cop can.

In my opinion I don't think it should be allowed. But I'd be surprised if something like this passed and lasted anyhow.

This isn't the 1700's anymore. I agree guns should be controlled to a point. In my opinion random citizens shouldn't be allowed to just strap a gun on and go around the country with it.

If you can get a ccw more power to you. But I don't think the average person is skilled or intelligent enough to have that power.
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Because this is not a ccw. Your talking getting another state to give you Leo credentials for the sole purpose of being able to carry anywhere as a cop can.

In my opinion I don't think it should be allowed. But I'd be surprised if something like this passed and lasted anyhow.

This isn't the 1700's anymore. I agree guns should be controlled to a point. In my opinion random citizens shouldn't be allowed to just strap a gun on and go around the country with it.

If you can get a ccw more power to you. But I don't think the average person is skilled or intelligent enough to have that power.
Some would say the same about cops.
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Not to toot my own horn, but to make a point... I once took the POST entrance exam in California just a couple years ago and got an above average score of 64.1. Most cops average at 50. Academies will take candidates as low as 44 or even lower. Less than a year before I was denied a CCW permit. So, tell me... Just because I am curious... Assuming I meet your stated standard of "eligible" being that I'm not a criminal, am I somehow mentally deficient or unintelligent because I can't get a CCW even though I far outscore most who move on to academy and actually get hired? Now mind you, I mean no disrespect to anyone who doesn't score high... Not in the least. I personally didn't move forward in the CHP process because I blew my back preparing for the physical exam. I am now too old to be eligible for the CHP. I suppose that by your comment, my bad back means I can't think critically or perhaps even add one plus one.

I feel like I need to hand you a shovel. It seems that with each post you make you reveal your nature and it appears to me that you do not love the constitution. However, feel free to speak your mind. The first amendment is just as important as the second. Just know this, you are convincing nobody with the things you have to say of anything but the possibility that you have little understanding of what principles made this country great.
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This pretty much says it all. It's the same old elitist crap that we see time and time again.

I've got news for you, pal, the rights enumerated in the Constitution belong to the average person. Obviously you don't give a **** about that, do you?


If you're so afraid of the average person carrying the quintessential self-defense tool then I suggest you move to another country where you'll feel all warm and safe. It's not like there aren't plenty of such countries to choose from. Meanwhile, those of us who value real freedom and understand the risks that go with it will stay and attempt to take back that freedom.
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I like how you say "take back that freedom". You see what I think happened was someone somewhere realized that it was not a good idea to allow people to carry in these modern times, and started restricting your right to bear arms.

But good luck taking back your freedom.
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I like how you say "take back that freedom". You see what I think happened was someone somewhere realized that it was not a good idea to allow people to carry in these modern times, and started restricting your right to bear arms.

But good luck taking back your freedom.
Well, if you bothered to learn some History, you wouldn't have to "think" what happened, you'd know what happened. It started with the laws prohibiting blacks to own and carry guns, expanded into things like the Sullivan law in New York (passed to ensure that the "unionized" street robbers (that is those belonging to a gang) in New York didn't get killed by the people they were to mug), continued on to ensure that Chinese, Latinos, and other "undesirables" wouldn't be able to carry in places like CA (yep, that's where our restrictions on concealed carry hail from), and so on. So, your line of thinking has a good company, and what a proud tradition it is, indeed.
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Old 04-12-2012, 1:43 AM
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ban that troll already...u guys just let him poop all over this thread...wtf?
That's right ban me for having a different opinion and expressing it.
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