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Old 05-16-2017, 4:28 PM
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Yesterday, I went to do a PPT for a Saiga IZ-132 that I had purchased around 2013. I was the seller and the buyer a personal friend of mine went to fill out the DROS paperwork for the DOJ. The associate of the range went to fill out the paperwork in the CA DOJ computer system. As he put the words " Saiga" into the model box,the whole application was flagged and he had to call the CA DOJ. They instructed us to measure the rifle and take freaking photos and upload it to them!!!! ( should have included our middle fingers) The rifle was in a featureless configuration with a kydex grip attached.

Eventually the transaction took place. But it took an hour, vs 10-15 mins.
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The worthless waste of sperm, tax sucking, Public Sector Union member do littles, of the Ca DOJ, get paid big bucks and fat pensions to jerk around law abiding gun owners and purchasers in CrapOfornia.

They are just fulfilling their job descriptions.
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It was something straight out of 1984. The police state.

I just laughed hysterically shaking my head. I had purchased in 2013, now that same rifle is questionable.
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I just want to leave now...6.5 years to go.

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The worthless waste of sperm, tax sucking, Public Sector Union member do littles, of the Ca DOJ, get paid big bucks and fat pensions to jerk around law abiding gun owners and purchasers in CrapOfornia.

They are just fulfilling their job descriptions.
I'm going with this, and to Texas - as soon as I freaking can without ruining myself and my future in the process.

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Yesterday, I went to do a PPT for a Saiga IZ-132 that I had purchased around 2013. I was the seller and the buyer a personal friend of mine went to fill out the DROS paperwork for the DOJ. The associate of the range went to fill out the paperwork in the CA DOJ computer system. As he put the words " Saiga" into the model box,the whole application was flagged and he had to call the CA DOJ. They instructed us to measure the rifle and take freaking photos and upload it to them!!!! ( should have included our middle fingers) The rifle was in a featureless configuration with a kydex grip attached.

Eventually the transaction took place. But it took an hour, vs 10-15 mins.
Thanks for posting this. This is very interesting.

I'm looking into my crystal ball, and I see the future where FFLs become even more enthusiastic and welcoming of PPTs than they are now.
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Yesterday, I went to do a PPT for a Saiga IZ-132 that I had purchased around 2013. I was the seller and the buyer a personal friend of mine went to fill out the DROS paperwork for the DOJ. The associate of the range went to fill out the paperwork in the CA DOJ computer system. As he put the words " Saiga" into the model box,the whole application was flagged and he had to call the CA DOJ. They instructed us to measure the rifle and take freaking photos and upload it to them!!!! ( should have included our middle fingers) The rifle was in a featureless configuration with a kydex grip attached.

Eventually the transaction took place. But it took an hour, vs 10-15 mins.

There are some things if they aren't put in the system correctly, it will flag as an AW. Saiga is one, I know SKS is another. There are probably others. Both has happened to me when doing transfers. It's just a matter of choosing the correct option.
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Interesting. I just bought an IZ-132 a couple months ago. My FFL never entered the word Saiga into the paperwork though, only IZ-132 for model and Izhmash/Izhevsk as manufacturer. Perhaps I was able to slip by because he didnt call it a Saiga?
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I get to leave at the end of the year, doo dah, doo dah!
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I get to leave at the end of the year, doo dah, doo dah!
I should be out of here by the end of August.

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Cops don't make the laws folks. Stupid politicians and voters do. It's your neighbors.
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Born and raised in CA. Great place to grow up in the 70's, and early 80's. Finally pulled the lever, and just put a bid on a home in Prescott, AZ. Free state, flag waving Americans who love their firearms. Three gun ranges within ten miles of where I intend to live. Gunsite up the Hwy. from me. God, I have loved CA, but no more BS for me in this state. Hell, I never intended to follow the new fricked up laws anyways, but now at least I don't have to be looking over my back. Stand by for an exit stampede when good ole Gavin becomes Governor!!
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Cops don't make the laws folks. Stupid politicians and voters do. It's your neighbors.
At what point do cops finally say "enough" and in addition to refusing enforcement of unjust laws start to push back on CA legislators to protect US Citizens' rights?

Will they say "enough" when the roundup is issued and they realize many of their family, friends, neighbors, loved ones and people who they know are good natured people are on that list?
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Getting approval in only an hour is amazing to me. I would have expected weeks to months for DOJ to review your sale.

The guy at DOJ must have had some knowledge and experience in this matter and focussed only on your gun for that hour.
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Sounds like my recent Turners PPT. But thats was just how slow they are at PPTs...
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Interesting.

Dan Walters, a Sac Bee newspaper columnist, recently asked Xavier Becerra (our wonderful overlord AG) why his agency hasn't cracked down on all of the corruption plaguing the small cities in the Inland Empire.

Becerra responded that his department "didn't have the resources" to go after those corrupt politicians.

And yet his department has plenty of time and resources to flag and review individual, legal gun purchases.

Which all leads me to the conclusion that the AG considers us to be worse than a bunch of imbezzling local politicians. OK.
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I just made an offer on 10 ac in Northern Idaho, with a nice home on it.

The culmination of this states activities over the last 20 years have done it. Would love to stay, but IMFUO the Ca future is bleak and I wanna RETIRE !
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I would have expected Saiga to be relatively simple (given that AFAIK all their rifles are featureless).
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Interesting.

Dan Walters, a Sac Bee newspaper columnist, recently asked Xavier Becerra (our wonderful overlord AG) why his agency hasn't cracked down on all of the corruption plaguing the small cities in the Inland Empire.

Becerra responded that his department "didn't have the resources" to go after those corrupt politicians.

And yet his department has plenty of time and resources to flag and review individual, legal gun purchases.

Which all leads me to the conclusion that the AG considers us to be worse than a bunch of imbezzling local politicians. OK.
Why would he go after his friends? He's as corrupt as the rest of them.

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This. The bureaucracy below them do whatever they're told. No matter how stupid or illegal it may be.
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Why would he go after his friends? He's as corrupt as the rest of them.
+1! Yes, exactly.
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Becerra had the resources to file multiple felony charges against the folks who exposed Planned Parenthood's savagery.

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any time you put (make) Izhmash (model) Saiga the DROS will say transfer of an assault weapon prohibited by law. we use the importers name instead. Someone made a list of assault weapons and attached it to the DROS system Most are wrong.
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