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Old 05-09-2016, 6:00 AM
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Default AB-2540 - Melendez -Sales Tax Exemption on Gun Safes

Assembly Member Melissa Melendez has introduced a bill to provide a one-year state sales tax exemption on gun safes valued at $1,000 or less. The exemption would also apply to trigger locks.

Do you think it has a chance?
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Old 05-09-2016, 7:15 AM
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It has the benefit of fitting into the 'gun safety' agenda of the left... but also poses a threat to the collection of taxes.

I give it a 50/50 chance.
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Zero chance. No way will the dems allow a republican sponsored bill to pass. It's war.
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There's no way their going to let any tax exemption go through, period, even if it showed public safety benefit. How on earth are all the mooches going to get all the freebies.
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Exactly. If you want them to vote for something, make it a new tax. Like a tax on gun buy backs.
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They arent trying to pass gun laws for the safety of the people so this really doesnt fit into their agenda at all
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Any tax exemption from Democrats would come with many strings attached.
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They arent trying to pass gun laws for the safety of the people so this really doesnt fit into their agenda at all
But they claim they are all about public safety. Its for the children. How could they not support this without looking like idiots?

They can support door-to-door confiscation of firearms and magazines, but not the cost of an incentive for gun owners to secure their firearms? I support the motive behind this bill. Calling them out on their own game.
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There's no way their going to let any tax exemption go through, period, even if it showed public safety benefit. How on earth are all the mooches going to get all the freebies.
Oh, I dunno. Maybe raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour to push low wage workers into a higher tax base, increasing the revenue taken from entry level workers who have no idea that they are paying double the rate they would at $10 an hour.
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But they claim they are all about public safety. Its for the children. How could they not support this without looking like idiots?

They can support door-to-door confiscation of firearms and magazines, but not the cost of an incentive for gun owners to secure their firearms? I support the motive behind this bill. Calling them out on their own game.
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Look at it from a political perspective...

Assembly Member Melissa Melendez is trying to get a win against the anti-gun legislators.

If they vote "yes" for this it will show they are willing to allow "common sense" legislation. If they vote "no" it means they are absolutely against anything related to firearms and proves the point that they want to rid the state of firearms.

Pretty slick move, if you ask me...
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bingo

next comes the tax rebate...
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But they claim they are all about public safety. Its for the children. How could they not support this without looking like idiots?
The Assembly Public Safety Committee defeated AB 2478 in April.

AB 2478 (Melendez - Lake Elsinore, CA) would have made it a felony rather than a misdemeanor to steal any firearm regardless of its value(correcting the harm done by Prop 47, which made it a misdemeanor to steal a firearm valued under $1,000).

Ok...so this same committee passed 8 of 10 gun control bills around this same time, along party lines...and killed this bill that would have actually punished a criminal who stole a firearm instead of giving him a slap on the wrist.

It has nothing to do with safety....
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AB 2540 was up to be heard by the Revenue & Taxation Committee yesterday afternoon. I wasn't able to watch it, but the archived video is up. I'll take a look at it when I get a chance to see how it fared.

http://calchannel.granicus.com/Media...7&clip_id=3680
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AB 2540 was up to be heard by the Revenue & Taxation Committee yesterday afternoon. I wasn't able to watch it, but the archived video is up. I'll take a look at it when I get a chance to see how it fared.

http://calchannel.granicus.com/Media...7&clip_id=3680
No update on her FB page.
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No update on her FB page.
It looks like it went into the suspense file. About 1.20.00 in the video.


R&T Committee bill analysis here https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...01520160AB2540

Basically, "Safes can hold a variety of things other than firearms, such as jewelry, etc., so no guaranteed increase in public safety."
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Senate Public Safety Chair Loni Hancock:
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- Joint Legislative Informational Hearing on Firearms - Newsom Initiative #1756 - May 3rd 2016

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It is getting hard to stomach the idiot voters who elect and reelect these politicians.
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Thank you Assemblywoman Melendez! For consistently pushing back and even forward against the insanity in Sacramento. She's a 2a champion!
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It looks like it went into the suspense file. About 1.20.00 in the video.


R&T Committee bill analysis here https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...01520160AB2540

Basically, "Safes can hold a variety of things other than firearms, such as jewelry, etc., so no guaranteed increase in public safety."
Just like firearms can be used for lots of purposes besides crime?
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But they claim they are all about public safety. Its for the children. How could they not support this without looking like idiots?

They can support door-to-door confiscation of firearms and magazines, but not the cost of an incentive for gun owners to secure their firearms? I support the motive behind this bill. Calling them out on their own game.
Thats a bell the majority of them will never have to answer. How often is a candidates voting record actually looked at by voters during an election? I would have a hard time believing it even approaches 1% of the time.
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Basically, "Safes can hold a variety of things other than firearms, such as jewelry, etc., so no guaranteed increase in public safety."
i think all jewlry, rings, necklaces, pendants should be required to be locked up as well. they are small and are defiantly a choking hazard for small children when they get their hands on them.
lock them up with cable locks and they cant possibly pose a threat anymore.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/children...oking-hazards/
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