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View Poll Results: Do you use Bureau of Land Management areas for target shooting?
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Does anyone have a Bureau of Land Management kmz/kml file for Google Earth?

As most of you know, target shooting is legal in California on BLM lands (http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/prog/rec...n/hunting.html). However I would like a clear indication of where these boundaries begin and end.

I know maps are available for purchase from the nearest BLM offices but I would rather use an interactive online map or a Google Earth overlay.



******UPDATE 11/3/2009******

1. Use this link to find BLM areas: http://www.geocommunicator.gov/blmMap/Map.jsp?MAP=LAND
2. Use this link to read rules about shooting on BLM land: http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/prog/rec...n/hunting.html
3. If you still have questions, use this link to find the phone number or website of your local field office: http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/info/dir...addresses.html
4. Ignore the haters in this thread who don't want to share.

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Just because land is BLM doesn't mean you can shoot on it. A lot of BLM land has additional restrictions.

For example, much of San Bernardino County is shotguns only. And there are no firearms allowed on El Mirage dry lake.
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I simply wanted to know if anyone had the Google overlays clearly indicating the boundaries of BLM land. I'm not really concerned with anyone's personal opinions on using these territories or what some anecdotal example's rules are. That's a whole other subject. Why do a lot of people on this site try to be know-it-alls instead of simply answering the question asked?
You can do the overlay yourself, I'm not aware that there is one. No one here will tell you their favorite tried and true spot, however.
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tagged. thanks for working on this.
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tagging on this. what area are you working on?
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I've ordered the maps from the bureau. I will convert to Google Earth and share with calgunners when finished.
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sweet thats vey nice of you.
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Sweet, will it work on an iPhone google earth app?
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Not a Google Earth overlay but his might be just as good. Zoom into your area and uncheck any layers that you do not wish to view like PLSS, National Park service, etc but leave the "Reference", "Base Maps" and "BLM" selections. You are left with a nice clean map of BLM lands in yellow/orange:


http://www.geocommunicator.gov/blmMap/Map.jsp?MAP=LAND

Also, here is a link to a list of BLM field offices in California.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo.html

You might want to double check with your local branch to confirm your area is not listed as an "ACEC special area" (Area of Critical Environmental Concern ).
very cool. that map shows an area of the cleveland national forest at the Orange/Riverside county border as BLM land....or is it just me?

I thought i would have heard about this before.

This map didnt show city names, but its a large area of the forest.

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I'm not really concerned with anyone's personal opinions on using these territories or what some anecdotal example's rules are.
Good thing no one posted any then!

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The darker orange area is BLM Wilderness area. The lighter area is BLM only. Here is a link to the info on "Wilderness areas" http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/prog/wilderness.html

Here is another look at your area.
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thats for clarifying. so for the smaller areas, i google earthed it and there are homes semi-close....what are the rules in relation to homes?

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Any BLM land close to Santa Clarita Valley? Wouldn't mind going out there and finding a spot to shoot.
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I've ordered the maps from the bureau. I will convert to Google Earth and share with calgunners when finished.
Thanx for doing this work GL.
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the blueish ones??? can you hunt one those???? the sate or count/state things??
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Any BLM land close to Santa Clarita Valley? Wouldn't mind going out there and finding a spot to shoot.
There are some small areas between Canyon Country and Palmdale but if I were you I'd go out the area north of Victorville and east of Edwards AFB. Miles and miles of BLM land out there in the desert.

Here is a map of the closest BLM areas for you though:

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You are in the California Desert district (Ridgecrest/Barstow area). Download the Google Earth Overlay for BLM areas here: http://skytruth.mediatools.org/sites...inental_US.kmz [Note: This only describes your field office area - Not where you can shoot]

Contact info here for clarification on target shooting rules:

Bureau of Land Management
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22835 Calle San Juan De Los Lagos
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You rock! I've been looking for interactive maps similar to these for several years. I've been trying to research a mine out where i shoot and it has helped a great deal!!!!
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Just because land is BLM doesn't mean you can shoot on it. A lot of BLM land has additional restrictions.

For example, much of San Bernardino County is shotguns only. And there are no firearms allowed on El Mirage dry lake.
I was not aware that the BLM had the authority to ban the possession of firearms. I know that per 43 CFR 8364 and 8365 they have the authority to restrict shooting, but not an outright possession ban. Could you link to this prohibition / closure? I'd like to find their CFR citation that grants this authority for my Firearms in Forests and Parks informational thread.
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So how does it work? Do you literally just drive in, get out, set up paper targets and start shooting? Do I need to check in or speak to someone beforehand? Need a permit? Still trying to wrap the idea around my head that there are places you can just walk into and shoot without being supervised. It's BLM land so I imagine people are free to walk/hike where they please, meaning you could be shooting at targets with a nice natural berm as your backstop and someone could just pop over the berm while they hike @_@

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So how does it work? Do you literally just drive in, get out, set up paper targets and start shooting? Do I need to check in or speak to someone beforehand? Need a permit? Still trying to wrap the idea around my head that there are places you can just walk into and shoot without being supervised. It's BLM land so I imagine people are free to walk/hike where they please, meaning you could be shooting at targets with a nice natural berm as your backstop and someone could just pop over the berm while they hike @_@

Dekker, here is what the Bureau has to say about it:

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/prog/rec...n/hunting.html
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I was not aware that the BLM had the authority to ban the possession of firearms. I know that per 43 CFR 8364 and 8365 they have the authority to restrict shooting, but not an outright possession ban. Could you link to this prohibition / closure? I'd like to find their CFR citation that grants this authority for my Firearms in Forests and Parks informational thread.
The "Shotgun Only" area Mitch was referring to represents the land bordering the west side of Twentynine Palms Marine Corps Air Gournd Combat Center. Besides the base, there are three OHV parks and Highway 247 running through the middle of it.

They don't want you shooting long range weapons in that region for obvious reasons.

He's providing an exception to BLM policy - not the rule.

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I was not aware that the BLM had the authority to ban the possession of firearms. I know that per 43 CFR 8364 and 8365 they have the authority to restrict shooting, but not an outright possession ban. Could you link to this prohibition / closure? I'd like to find their CFR citation that grants this authority for my Firearms in Forests and Parks informational thread.
The cite is all the signs out there that say NO FIREARMS.

But the website says no shooting (43 CFR 8365.1-6) .

It's all the same to me, since I wouldn't bring any guns except to shoot, though sometimes I will stop at El Mirage after a day of shooting elsewhere in the Mojave. I never worried about it because my guns would be in the back of the SUV, under blankets, invisible.
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It's BLM land so I imagine people are free to walk/hike where they please, meaning you could be shooting at targets with a nice natural berm as your backstop and someone could just pop over the berm while they hike @_@
I shoot on BLM a lot. The area where I shoot most is shared with a lot of ATVers. You have to be very careful and very aware at all times. Riders have indeed popped up over a hill downrange of where I was shooting. A lot of the riders are kids who aren't paying attention or don't know any better. I have literally had bikers ride right across our range, between us and the targets, completely oblivious. It's the shooter's responsibility to see them coming and point the muzzle away as the idiots ride by.

Popular informal shooting areas are usually trashed with all kinds of crap brought out there to use as targets and then left behind. I try not to add to the mess when I shoot there.

If I ever shoot at a virgin location, I am very careful to clean up all targets and all brass. No glass targets or anything else that will burst and leave a mess.

I think the easiest gambit for the anti-gunners to get public lands shut down for shooting would be to send video crews out to some popular informal ranges to record what a mess shooters make.

Maybe this year will be the winter I finally get my *** out there with a pickup truck and a trailer one weekend to clean the place up.
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They don't want you shooting long range weapons in that region for obvious reasons.

He's providing an exception to BLM policy - not the rule.
Yes, but the BLM does not have the authority to ban possession, only shooting.

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The cite is all the signs out there that say NO FIREARMS.

But the website says no shooting (43 CFR 8365.1-6) .

It's all the same to me, since I wouldn't bring any guns except to shoot, though sometimes I will stop at El Mirage after a day of shooting elsewhere in the Mojave. I never worried about it because my guns would be in the back of the SUV, under blankets, invisible.
OK. So the signs are incorrect. It is an important distinction to me, because shooting restrictions do not prevent you from possessing firearms for self-defense.
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Popular informal shooting areas are usually trashed with all kinds of crap brought out there to use as targets and then left behind. I try not to add to the mess when I shoot there.
Mitch is right about this. If you use BLM lands please follow the rules and leave no trace.

The place I like to go is an enormous area in a remote part of the sierra foothills. I've never seen a single hiker or atv'er at all. In fact, I've never seen another car out there so that is not a problem. I have come across an area used for shooting that had a broken muffler, a 5 gallon gatorade cooler and various other debris that some red neck or gangsta wanna-be turned into swiss cheese. This, so far, has been very little and probably very quick to clean up by BLM crews.

Note to Calgunners: Mitch and MudCamper are talking about one small area that is designated as a park for Off-Highway Vehicles. The vast majority of BLM property throughout the west is open for target shooting and hunting (Yes, even in California). Just follow the rules and clean up after yourself.

Here is a repost to a link with an interactive map of BLM lands: http://www.geocommunicator.gov/blmMap/Map.jsp?MAP=LAND

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I simply wanted to know if anyone had the Google overlays clearly indicating the boundaries of BLM land. I'm not really concerned with anyone's personal opinions on using these territories or what some anecdotal example's rules are. That's a whole other subject. Why do a lot of people on this site try to be know-it-alls instead of simply answering the question asked?
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Woooo, thanks Leviathan I managed to find a spot 5 miles away from me. It means I don't have to drive 15 miles to the local range and pay the freaking 12 dollar fee. There are actually 2 places that are pretty close but the 2nd one will be more difficult to get there because the only EASY paths will force me to go through peoples properties, otherwise I'd have to actually hike through small mountains to get there. The first one is ridiculously easy and the dirt road is directly off a main street. Not wanting to take my 2WD into precarious terrain I basically walked the dirt path about 20 mins until I reached a pothole in the land.

http://img41.imageshack.us/i/mapid.png/

I didn't go to shoot but only went to see what's up and it was empty, but did come across a case here and there(ridiculously clean). I called the Field Office and asked them to see if I was cleared for target shooting and I had to basically tell them streets and they told me that zone is good to go! Bring a backpack with maybe 2 MRE's, some Gatorade bottles, snacks and some targets and I'll be good to go. No more magnet checks, no more freaking fees, no more "You can only use our targets"....I finally have a spot where I'm free to shoot as long as I keep it clean of course. I have a couple of Quaker Oats cardboard cylinders that I've been wanting to shoot at. Not many bushes or trees to mess with my line of fire(means no shade either), but I can take 2 pieces of lumber and stick em into the ground and put my target in between.

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Woooo, thanks Leviathan I managed to find a spot 5 miles away from me. It means I don't have to drive 15 miles to the local range and pay the freaking 12 dollar fee. There are actually 2 places that are pretty close but the 2nd one will be more difficult to get there because the only EASY paths will force me to go through peoples properties, otherwise I'd have to actually hike through small mountains to get there. The first one is ridiculously easy and the dirt road is directly off a main street. Not wanting to take my 2WD into precarious terrain I basically walked the dirt path about 20 mins until I reached a pothole in the land.

http://img41.imageshack.us/i/mapid.png/

I didn't go to shoot but only went to see what's up and it was empty, but did come across a case here and there(ridiculously clean). I called the Field Office and asked them to see if I was cleared for target shooting and I had to basically tell them streets and they told me that zone is good to go! Bring a backpack with maybe 2 MRE's, some Gatorade bottles, snacks and some targets and I'll be good to go. No more magnet checks, no more freaking fees, no more "You can only use our targets"....I finally have a spot where I'm free to shoot as long as I keep it clean of course. I have a couple of Quaker Oats cardboard cylinders that I've been wanting to shoot at. Not many bushes or trees to mess with my line of fire(means no shade either), but I can take 2 pieces of lumber and stick em into the ground and put my target in between.
We should go shooting some time, i know exactly where that is!
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We should. I'm gonna just verify one more time to make sure I'm cleared to shoot. I work at a Medical Office and I call insurances a lot and you'd be surprised at the different kinds of information you get from different people, so I'm hesitant in taking ONE single persons word. I'll probably start off at only .22 until I feel comfortable shooting the bigger stuff, plus I only went today at around 3pm so I don't know how heavy the "traffic" will be during weekends and such.
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We should. I'm gonna just verify one more time to make sure I'm cleared to shoot. I work at a Medical Office and I call insurances a lot and you'd be surprised at the different kinds of information you get from different people, so I'm hesitant in taking ONE single persons word. I'll probably start off at only .22 until I feel comfortable shooting the bigger stuff, plus I only went today at around 3pm so I don't know how heavy the "traffic" will be during weekends and such.
I completely agree. maybe i'll try calling tomorrow. judging by the BLM interactive map, it looks to be a pretty good size area though.
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Here is their information:
Bureau of Land Management
Ridgecrest Field Office
300 S. Richmond Rd.
Ridgecrest, CA 93555
Phone: (760) 384-5400

Since you know the area, you can just tell them the streets and they'll be able to locate it for you(person on the phone took some time trying to find it though) but I don't know what kind of system they have so here are the coordinates just in case that fails:
http://img10.imageshack.us/i/coordinates.png/

I wouldn't mind heading up there this weekend if we are cleared to go and you have the time. It looks as if we'll have no problems setting up targets at all ranges, including the infamous 1,000 yard.
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Old 10-22-2009, 7:08 PM
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welcome to forums there is always at least on guy that has to be snarky
I don't know what's wrong with some people. Guess he didn't want to share public land.

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Woooo, thanks Leviathan I managed to find a spot 5 miles away from me. It means I don't have to drive 15 miles to the local range and pay the freaking 12 dollar fee. )
Glad to hear it. Hope it works out good.
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Here is their information:
Bureau of Land Management
Ridgecrest Field Office
300 S. Richmond Rd.
Ridgecrest, CA 93555
Phone: (760) 384-5400

Since you know the area, you can just tell them the streets and they'll be able to locate it for you(person on the phone took some time trying to find it though) but I don't know what kind of system they have so here are the coordinates just in case that fails:
http://img10.imageshack.us/i/coordinates.png/

I wouldn't mind heading up there this weekend if we are cleared to go and you have the time. It looks as if we'll have no problems setting up targets at all ranges, including the infamous 1,000 yard.
I'll call tomorrow. Should be free to shoot this weekend.
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Thanks! Used that link to find a great shooting spot last weekend.
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